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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tahitian_Red on March 03, 2012, 05:57:42 am
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Since there have been a few heated threads here about the rules and protesting I thought we should find out when and where you yourself might protest a fellow competitor. (hopefully this will not be a bigger can of worms)
In another life as the crew chief for my friend's asphalt modified car we were protested after a win. We lost the protest and the trophy, not because of a performance advantage, but because of a technicality in the rule. It left a bad taste in my mouth and I never have filed a protest against anyone.
A few years ago I was racing in a 40+ Post-Vintage (Evo) class over a year long season. I really wasn't interested in winning the season championship, but I was in first place for the series when I traveled to the 5th of 7 races. When I lined up on the gate for my 40+ race, on my '78 Husky 250CR, I looked for the guy in second place, but didn't see his bike. Then I looked again and saw his number on an '86 Honda CR250. Hmmm, he must be racing in the new class for single-disc bikes??? When I look at the results for the first moto I find he was actually in my class. WTF?? I raced the second moto, got a bad start while he had the holeshot. I rode hard and got to within 50ft of him at the finish for a "moral victory". My '78 Husky is a good bike, but I definitely brought a knife to gun fight.
I asked after the race if the new single-disc class was included in the 40+ age class? The answer was they were not allowed. I could have nailed him right there, but chose to just have the race director make him aware of the mistake and to insure it did not happen at another event. I was the only other racer who was eligible to win the championship, so no one else would be harmed by him gaining first place points.
I chose not to protest, but when would you use the nuclear option? At the last race in a tight year-long series? When someone's bike was a clear performance advantage to the entire field? The results can hurt both parties' standing in the VMX community.
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Here it raises it's head at a National title event. That is when an Australian title is up for grabs. That is when your bike has to be in order. At club level, others keep fellow competitors in line as they probaly know them and point out the problem and things dont seem to go any further. As we are a small country our numbers wouldnt be any where near a normal club event in the U.S. For me it would have to be a serious breech in the rules. I would front the person first. If their attitude was crap I would evaluate the situation from there. If on the other hand I saw a bike that was a thinly veiled later model bike being ridden in an earlier class then I would have no hesitation in making an official protest. There was such a thing in'09 nationals. An rm125c with an alloy tank fitted and alloy arm painted black was racing in pre78. He was one of three bikes protested in that event by the same protestor. It was certainly a wake up call for competitors here that their bike had to be in order. I would never protest a bike because it didn't have restricters on standard suspension or if it was a genuine mistake ( newby to the sport).
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I would never protest full stop. being over 55 yrs myself i probably have a different perspective about the whole issue are we just going down the same old path again as the usa (as usual it normally takes 5-7years to catch up )pushing a good thing into professional and semi professional ranks (as before and failed and lost most of the privateers) that most money/best team /sponsorship " wins "thats why most of the people i have know in the sport through the 70's and 80's got as far away as possible from the bike scene , i know at the the end of the 70's running mx and short circut bikes became a $10-20K slug to be competitive then the 80's that just started the rot and i think protesting anything in vmx is a lot of bull , sure have classes and period correct bikes but the protesting should be done with scutineering and the amount of cash it takes to ride and have licences it should be up to the governing body to do the 'good job' on this and have people who have knowledge and expertise in these area , not just a rule book shoved in the back pocket, so you would'nt have to worry your little minds and dont have to run around seeing if anyone has an avantage over you , i think it would be missing the point of why we are here , and my thoughts on sponsorship is that only events gets sponsored and as far as individuals go in a vmx world is that you pay your own way, afford what you can do yourself and give the deals that come your way to charity or clubs for better events and enjoy your riding whether it be up front or behind the pack, i suppose we all have to ask ourselves why was there a vmx movement to start with was it partly the fact that we had been down this path before and it failed for many who got pushed out of the sport financially and it was a way for us to get back to what we love doing , so as far as protests and 'titles' go they were way back when these bikes where new and the only classes were 125, 250, open
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how many official protest,s have happened ,let say at the last 3 ozzy titles ? some one must know
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090's pretty much nailed it, in my opinion.
Personally, I've seen a 175 race as a 125 (at a club event). I wasn't real impressed, but I waited to see how fast the bike/rider was before saying anything to anyone. Turned out that they were well down the pack, so I kept my mouth shut.
The same bloke also has a same-era 250 race bike, so I understood why he raced the 175 as a 125 (even if it wasn't legit). In hindsight, I should have offered him a 125 top end so he could have raced the 175 legitimately in the 125 class, but I haven't seen the bike since.
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You should only ever protest when the Marquiz offers out a bowl of Ferrero Rocher... Oi Marquiz... where's the beer???
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I would never protest full stop. being over 55 yrs myself i probably have a different perspective about the whole issue are we just going down the same old path again as the usa (as usual it normally takes 5-7years to catch up )pushing a good thing into professional and semi professional ranks (as before and failed and lost most of the privateers) that most money/best team /sponsorship " wins "thats why most of the people i have know in the sport through the 70's and 80's got as far away as possible from the bike scene , i know at the the end of the 70's running mx and short circut bikes became a $10-20K slug to be competitive then the 80's that just started the rot and i think protesting anything in vmx is a lot of bull , sure have classes and period correct bikes but the protesting should be done with scutineering and the amount of cash it takes to ride and have licences it should be up to the governing body to do the 'good job' on this and have people who have knowledge and expertise in these area , not just a rule book shoved in the back pocket, so you would'nt have to worry your little minds and dont have to run around seeing if anyone has an avantage over you , i think it would be missing the point of why we are here , and my thoughts on sponsorship is that only events gets sponsored and as far as individuals go in a vmx world is that you pay your own way, afford what you can do yourself and give the deals that come your way to charity or clubs for better events and enjoy your riding whether it be up front or behind the pack, i suppose we all have to ask ourselves why was there a vmx movement to start with was it partly the fact that we had been down this path before and it failed for many who got pushed out of the sport financially and it was a way for us to get back to what we love doing , so as far as protests and 'titles' go they were way back when these bikes where new and the only classes were 125, 250, open
Um, what? I can't see what happened through your eyes back in the seventies has anything to do with what's happening now. To disagree with you saying mx was getting to dear, I say what a crock. Pick up a bike from your dealer and go race. If you were fast you did well. Do well enough to get noticed by a professional team and you have a sponsored ride. Mx is probably the most inexpensive form of motor sport there is. Vmx is even cheaper. If you do not understand the reason why we need to separate eras and preserve them then you miss the whole concept of vmx. Also it is up to the whole Vmx community to help keep others in line, not just the powers that be. At a title meeting there are only one or two that can officially adjudicate on bike legalities. To think they can know everything on every marke from every era is ridiculous .
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If people are prepared to cheat and not follow the rules, bar them from participating. We need to have rules in place or else its anarchy. Every sport/hobby/pastime has regulations of some kind. When the rules are sorted and the people who don't want to follow them have been identified, go racing and have a ball. I do think keeping it as simple as possible is a benefit to all. Oh for the good old days where life was simple and so were the people. :-\ :-\
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IT - I think I still know some simple people ;D
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the best I have seen was a B44. Engine # said 1961 B40, no distributer, no casting for it even, points, 11 fin alloy barrel (B40 has 10) when I showed the technical officer of the BSA owners club the pictures and said they want me to believe its a B40 he laughed (out loud) and thought I was pulling his leg. Great rider - could have won on a scooter.
Have seen this before, had a TM125 at a nationals which had a 5 stud RM engine in it stamped TM125, there are casting differences if you know what to look for on the bottom end.
2 of the better attempts - genuine cheats.
Some guys make honest mistakes, some make genuine attempts at ripping off the system.
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who said no rules , rules are great let me clarify back in the day there were classes not nit picking about political correctness that seems to be a modern trait
and whats wrong with scrutineers who actually stand fast, know what they are talk about and say 'NO its not right , go play somewhere else' for all the title chasers could focus on the prize maybe here's a thought pay them for their expertise instead of looking for volunteers
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In 99% of cases i would have thought a word with the individual involved ( as Brad has suggested ) would be the first point of call .
However thats generally gonna end in one of 2 ways , if they are genuinely unaware they will probably but not in all cases seek anothers opinion then concede and try to rectify the issue. Or they will get all defensive and a shit fight or even a Blue may ensue ::)
If they know what their doing is wrong their probably gonna get defensive off the bat and a shit fight or Blue will ensue , or the more unlikley scenario is that they put their hands up and say you got me ill put it right or withdraw my entry .
The danger of this approach is if it goes pear shaped and a shit fight occurs , officials are likley to jump in after the fact and possibly hit both parties with a missconduct charge and may well exclude both parties from the meeting ::)
Often its not the person with the offending bike that kicks off but a mate or mates ::) I repo a lot of cars and its the same thing , hangers on start the trouble .
In an ideal world all Scrutineers would be up with the play and a word in their ear should be enough for them to have a basic look over a suspect bike without all the drama of a protest .
However i have witnessed this approach be turned away and the concerned party told to lodge a formal protest ???
A mate lodged the protest at the Connondale nats witch he won, but he was acosted straight after by a mate of one of the protested people ( i dont think the protested party even knew his mate was kicking off )
There was a lot of Bitchin on here over it for a while , but one of the protested bikes was in that trim 2 nats earlier at Coffs and the others i had seen at club events earlier in the year .
Why they were never advised officialy or unofficialy prior to the Connondale nats i dont know ???
But the reality is it took both balls and a few quid to lodge those protest and did leave a sour taste for some afterwards , but that issue has now been addressed .
I would have thought that if its fairly obvious as in the Connondale protest then a word with an official should have been enough .
When would i personally protest an eligibility issue ? i suppose if it was the difference between winning or losing a Title , and i was sure the alleged infringiment was what made the difference .
I still believe its 85% rider and 10% bike and 5% luck ;)
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I am all for discretion and the scrutineers being cool with honest mistakes or a little flex on rules that don't quite line up.... cuts both ways and the riders who are taking the piss, stamping motors, disguising parts and cross dressing to ride the women's titles, need a freaking good kick in the nuts and a protest is one way of doing it at national level..... assuming it effects the outcome of the title and is worth the grief..... I mean you also want to achieve something that has a point not just jar everyone off.
I mean it has me furked, there is always one anorak in the crowd at every VMX meet that has more expertise on your bike than the manufacturer....so not like you are going to slip something by, without someone with a Phd in pre 78 YZ part numbers or BSA singles springing you.
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the question still remains at the end of the day ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' , when it could be nipped in the bud at the time you wheel that little sucker into the pits and go through proper era correct scrutineering ,and if you are the one put on the spot tuff titties watch from the grandstand you knew what was required its a very simple process and yes all us simple people understand that
the judges decision is final and no more correspondence would be entered into, food for thought
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the question still remains at the end of the day ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' , when it could be nipped in the bud at the time you wheel that little sucker into the pits and go through proper era correct scrutineering ,and if you are the one put on the spot tuff titties watch from the grandstand you knew what was required its a very simple process and yes all us simple people understand that
the judges decision is final and no more correspondence would be entered into, food for thought
no one person knows everything about every bike as I already said regarding this. Too many bikes, too many eras to know everything. What do you know about Bsa's? Triumphs, cz's, Hodaka's, ossa's? etc. one person is put in charge of eligibility . That is why it has to be done by us collectively . You may be a Yamaha expert and spot a glaring issue with a bike that others may miss that is blare t cheating like a 175 barrel on a 125 or such.
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What I don't like is when people do something to bike, you have a bit of a chat with them about it and they say. There bits of dickheads and nobody will notice anyway. Or they start the it isn't fair my boy should race a 78 against a 83 in the evo class and then try to make look like a pre78. When this sort of stuff happens at a National level I think there should be a protest. Jack
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the question still remains at the end of the day ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' , when it could be nipped in the bud at the time you wheel that little sucker into the pits and go through proper era correct scrutineering ,and if you are the one put on the spot tuff titties watch from the grandstand you knew what was required its a very simple process and yes all us simple people understand that
the judges decision is final and no more correspondence would be entered into, food for thought
Do you know enough about every brand of bike from every era from 1960 to 1989 to be able to pick if someone is cheating?? Do you even know someone that does? What about the time it would take to scrutineer 200+ bikes 1 at a time measuring suspension travel, checking eligibility etc...
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Maybe there should be "scrutineers" specializing for each era/class ! you'd think there would be enough money thrown around a national title to cover it , or knowlegable blokes willing to do it , you,d have to think nipping it at the bud would save a lot of bullshit from even starting ???
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
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Maybe there should be "scrutineers" specializing for each era/class ! you'd think there would be enough money thrown around a national title to cover it , or knowlegable blokes willing to do it , you,d have to think nipping it at the bud would save a lot of bullshit from even starting ???
If you had 250 bikes at a National Title to check eligibility and you spent half hour on each one measuring suspension and checking legality there's 125 hours you're going to need to check all the bikes properly. I don't think that's going to happen...
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
Exactly! If it aint broken it don't need fixing
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We can discuss this topic until the cow's come home and never reach a conclusion because people will never stop trying to bend or avoid the rules.
All we can do is deal with it if or when cheating raises it's ugly head.
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
Quoted for truth.
Plus what johnnyO and SlideRulz said.
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wow youv'e blown me outa the water with statistics and data you dirt bike police, well done , next it will be lights and sirens, and blue checkered tape around the offenders, cheats what cheats, dont mention drug and alcohol testing for gods sake you seem to be missing the point
i think the underlying question was ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' that is the question dear watson.
ps no you dont have a clue what i know or the knowledge i have gathered you might just be talking to a higher being i know i like eating sheeps brains does that count ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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just an opinion -but if the minor detail(eg cut-off,suspension limit etc) wasnt so pedantic and rigid that half an hour would be a lot less and why would 5 scrutineers be so ridiculus i was thinking more 10(all class savy) - the cheaters wouldnt even frock up or get on the paddock !-just an opinion :-\
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
Yer its a good system Brad , a guy who runs 78 model forks with air caps and a full 10" travel on his Maico in pre78 go's unnoticed while another guy with 78 model forks and clamps with just over 9" travel and rubber handle clamps on his RM125 gets something to think about on the long drive home. The following year he gets accused of running an illegal swingarm on the same bike which now has solid bars mounts.He is forced to do a return to home drive to collect a magazine to prove that his original FMF swingarm existed in 77.
The following year he elects to go on a trip OS with the missus at the time the Nats are on.
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
Yer its a good system Brad , a guy who runs 78 model forks with air caps and a full 10" travel on his Maico in pre78 go's unnoticed while another guy with 78 model forks and clamps with just over 9" travel and rubber handle clamps on his RM125 gets something to think about on the long drive home. The following year he gets accused of running an illegal swingarm on the same bike which now has solid bars mounts.He is forced to do a return to home drive to collect a magazine to prove that his original FMF swingarm existed in 77.
The following year he elects to go on a trip OS with the missus at the time the Nats are on.
Okay. Once again it raises its ugly head. And you are having a go at me as well? Are you referring to my bike?
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I,m of the opinion that if a bike is protested it should be done prior to any racing.
This gets rid of the guy who finnished out of the places but will protest just mybe to get
a place.
I also beleve that there should be some sort of qulify to be able to even race in the titles
to many people who put nothing into the vmx scene turn up and walk away with a bunch of
titles under their belt riding another persons bike.You should have to compete in 3 or 4 vintage races
in whatever state you are from to qualify. IMO
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In the pre 75 era alone there were about 17 different makes of bikes . Yet again, do you have that kind of knowledge about so many bikes? NO ONE CAN.How you can ask for five ( eligibility) scrutineers just for the pre 78 nationals is ridiculous at best. The only way to stop the shit fight is to stop cheating. That won't happen so a system is in place that from what I have witnessed has worked just fine.
Yer its a good system Brad , a guy who runs 78 model forks with air caps and a full 10" travel on his Maico in pre78 go's unnoticed while another guy with 78 model forks and clamps with just over 9" travel and rubber handle clamps on his RM125 gets something to think about on the long drive home. The following year he gets accused of running an illegal swingarm on the same bike which now has solid bars mounts.He is forced to do a return to home drive to collect a magazine to prove that his original FMF swingarm existed in 77.
The following year he elects to go on a trip OS with the missus at the time the Nats are on.
With regards to the rm125 of Alans'. He had a '78 front end and an fmf swing arm set up for a '78 bike, by the way the brake arm attached to the swingarm (fixed '77 as opposed to floating '78).That is why he was protested at Conondale. Isn't having to prove that a swingarm existed part of the rules? As he is known as a rule bender, isn't it natural that he is now scrutinised?
You have a real knack of turning a thread into a pre78 bagging match at any opportunity. I think it's definitely detrimental to the class.
With regards to my front end, you are getting your info from the wrong guy as he is misleading you. My forks are '77 and yes they do have air caps but they are aftermarket and not genuine items off a '78. Any REAL Maico expert would see that from a distance. I have never fitted a later part on any of my bikes, not to mention I bought the bike exactly as I raced it, and to put me in the same light as the RM is a personal attack on me which I do not appreciate.
None of this has anything to do with the thread.
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I,m of the opinion that if a bike is protested it should be done prior to any racing.
This gets rid of the guy who finnished out of the places but will protest just mybe to get
a place.
I also beleve that there should be some sort of qulify to be able to even race in the titles
to many people who put nothing into the vmx scene turn up and walk away with a bunch of
titles under their belt riding another persons bike.You should have to compete in 3 or 4 vintage races
in whatever state you are from to qualify. IMO
Good points.
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Thanks Brad
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I,m of the opinion that if a bike is protested it should be done prior to any racing.
This gets rid of the guy who finnished out of the places but will protest just mybe to get
a place.
I also beleve that there should be some sort of qulify to be able to even race in the titles
to many people who put nothing into the vmx scene turn up and walk away with a bunch of
titles under their belt riding another persons bike.You should have to compete in 3 or 4 vintage races
in whatever state you are from to qualify. IMO
I agree that these are both good points. I mentioned the same thing about guys letting the local young gun ride their bikes in once a year national title events, in the Simons forks in pre '78 thread. I think this sort of thing is bad for the sport and discourages older guys from turning up, especially in classes where there a no rider age divisions.
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I,m of the opinion that if a bike is protested it should be done prior to any racing.
This gets rid of the guy who finnished out of the places but will protest just mybe to get
a place.
Yeah, but...
What happens if someone swaps parts to make their bike illegal between scrutiny and the end of racing? Especially easy at a multi-day meeting...
I also beleve that there should be some sort of qulify to be able to even race in the titles
to many people who put nothing into the vmx scene turn up and walk away with a bunch of
titles under their belt riding another persons bike.You should have to compete in 3 or 4 vintage races
in whatever state you are from to qualify. IMO
Abso-bloody-lutely!
The Mr VMX organisers tried to stop the ring-ins by having a minimum rider age of 30 years, but it stopped a few regular VMX guys from having a ride, and we still got ring-ins (albeit less of them).
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The original question was..."When and where would you protest? "
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Ive never won a place in VMX. But I have been cheated out of the trophies in twinshock trails . I know my score was less than the gent that won the event , hence I know I won where as the cheater took home a trophy that said he cheats . I wonder if he can look at it with out knowing its not his?
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i think the underlying question was ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' that is the question dear watson.
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May be underlying question should be"is it in the spirit of VMX"to knowingly put yourself in a position to be protested against?
#8
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that is a good question i noticed the 'moderator' has gone back to the original question which is fine but the original question has a few underlying factors as you have pointed out another one , that should never be brought up at the race meetings especially the feature events that show cases 'VMX' in my opinion not the place to air out dirty laundry all it does is taint the festivities
i think the underlying question was ' is it in the spirit of vmx that protests on equipment even exist' that is the question dear watson.
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May be underlying question should be"is it in the spirit of VMX"to knowingly put yourself in a position to be protested against?
#8
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" You have to admire the work ethic of the evil" Cheers Jerry
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There have been three or four threads on here lately that have gone on for 15 -20 pages often with circular debate ::) which is totally expected. It is becoming more more obvious that at Nationals level our sport should move toward 'log books'. Lozza suggested this very early in one of the threads but it just seemed to be passed over.
Log books would remove 99% of issues as it can instantly defuse almost all matters of compliance. I know in classic road racing and classic car racing it has been a great success for many many years.
All the compliance work is done in a calm, methodical and consistent method away from the emotion of the race day and meeting. Protests can be quickly and clearly ruled on using the log book evidence.
Currently I would not consider attending a National just because of all the compliance issues that seem to raise their head resulting in finger pointing and weeks/months of wash out on this site after each National is held. Oh and also the fact that I'm not a good enough rider ::)
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at the classic dirt track titles last year ,bikes where given a quick look at scrutineering to check eligiblity . few where found out and give the chance to rectify or ride in the appropiate class-a young bloke had bought a bike he was told was a pre 78 turned out to be an evo bike.he won his races, lucky for him it was put into right class .but it would have been right to protest him ,not me too fat and slow
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None of this has anything to do with the thread
It has everything to do with this thread as it was the most recent event were a protest was made and upheld.
I disagree. But what about this other stuff seeing as you have implicated me (again)?
[/quote] 1.With regards to the rm125 of Alans'. He had a '78 front end and an fmf swing arm set up for a '78 bike, by the way the brake arm attached to the swingarm (fixed '77 as opposed to floating '78).That is why he was protested at Conondale. Isn't having to prove that a swingarm existed part of the rules? As he is known as a rule bender, isn't it natural that he is now scrutinised?
2.You have a real knack of turning a thread into a pre78 bagging match at any opportunity. I think it's definitely detrimental to the class.
3. With regards to my front end, you are getting your info from the wrong guy as he is misleading you. My forks are '77 and yes they do have air caps but they are aftermarket and not genuine items off a '78. Any REAL Maico expert would see that from a distance. I have never fitted a later part on any of my bikes, not to mention I bought the bike exactly as I raced it, and to put me in the same light as the RM is a personal attack on me which I do not appreciate.
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I WOULD PROTEST IF 1.. THE BEER IS NOT COLD 2..NO GRID GIRLS 3.. RUN OUT OF COKE FOR MY RUM. there ive said it so look out. what happens if they have a bar at the nationals at wyyaarolong and you get thrown out who do you protest to then???
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according to Wally we have to have a round brake resoviour??? You can't even use brakes Lama. and what would that matter to the hoardes of spectators that hang over the fance and scream encouragement at us.
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I know the guy you mentioned Robin, his father bought the bike and it is a 77 RM250 that had 78 forks fitted to it.
I don't know what the diff is between those forks but it would hardly make a difference to the performance of the bike on DT but them's the rules, as you said he was lucky it was pointed out at scrutineering and he went on to win the EVO class anyway.
We have to follow the guidlines set down or forget it, as #8 said those who try to break the rules deliberately are the ones not working to the spirit of VMX.
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Rule bender here, allegedly …. My name keeps being brought up, so …
1: the front end was never the problem, the air caps & rubber mounted bars were.
2: no I didn’t have a FMF swing-arm setup for a 78 bike. I had & still have a FMF swing-arm setup for a 77 bike.
3: quote”I bought the bike exactly as I raced it, and to put me in the same light as the RM is a personal attack on me which I do not appreciate.” That’s what I was thinking …
I bought the RM exactly as I raced it ( except for the FMF arm ).
It was never brought to my attention parts were wrong and should be changed. The only information offered by the scrutineer was, did it have 9” travel.
It’s been 3 years since I was protested and I don’t give a rats arse who got trophies or medals as in my mind I know I finished 3rd. If other people want to protest their way into a better position, that’s fine too, I’m happy for them.
On the day I was slower than two or three riders but it was a great day & I was faster than a lot of other riders and it had nothing to do with air caps & bar mounts. If I can beat some riders by half a lap, they need to ride faster, not protest non performance based items.
Protest the 175 cyl., protest the 43mm forks when they should be 38mm ( or should that be 38.1mm ), protest the oversize wave disc rotor never available in 84, but not the insignificant items eg: bolts instead of rivets, air caps or ridicules things like front & side numbers being the wrong size & style ( road racing ).
thanks very much ... Bring on the titles.
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with lozza and montynut on log books if you want to run your bike at the national level it would help the scrutineer,eligibly and promoter if it was log booked.them you know when and where you could protest.
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Suzukal, I sympathize with you about all this, and people judge harshly and they love to through stones, when they don`t really know the real truth behind the situation, just tunnel vision on there own thoughts and idea about it.
I had a similiar issue happen to me years ago at the barrabool Australian Vmx Titles and I came 3rd in my class and my bike was pounded at the end of the final just the same as other riders bike where, and that was the time if anybody had an issue to view their opinion, everybody had plenty of time to protest and know one did, so the trophy was mine, but later gave it back, not with any guilt, but my bike was oversize, by how many mm I don`t know as I bought the engine like and I still don`t to this day. But I do know that I rode my butt off to come 3rd. So my message to Suzukal, walk tall and see you at the next title. The comments I see on this thread are call (Australia Pickers)