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Clubroom => Vinduro => Topic started by: lukeb1961 on January 14, 2012, 06:14:01 pm
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Hello all,
I am looking for a magazine reference or site that might have the '76 (Zeltweg, Austria) ISDT results.
Specifically, I have read in an old UK magazine that 3 Suzuki PE250B's were entered.
Trying to find more details about any PE's entered.
Why? I have written a bit about PE's here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_PE_series
Luke
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76 ISDT report Trail&Track Dec 76. Three British Suzuki entered all finished on Gold.
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COOL! Just the sort of thing I have been looking for.
I also found Motorcycle Mechanics, December 1976, which says the PE riders were Ted Thompson, Ernie Page and Brian Higgins.
Many thanks!
Luke
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Some great photos of the 76 ISDT.
http://www.classicenduro.be/Six%20Days%201976%20Wim.html (http://www.classicenduro.be/Six%20Days%201976%20Wim.html)
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Nice Rokon shot ;D
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Nice Rokon shot
Is there such a thing ??? ;D ;D
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Thats a little harsh NSR! That comment is beneath you Noel but I excuse you as I believe it was made out of petty jealousy! :-* ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously,I love this period of enduro. Lots of machine variety, plenty of development and innovation, national pride and gutsy efforts. There was always a story to come out of the ISDT, good or bad. The closest equivalent these days, to me, is the Dakar.
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Lots of machine variety, plenty of development and innovation
Yep like this :-* Sorry for the thread hijack. Back to PEs
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Simple curious, I have better to do!...
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Yep, sorry. Back to PE's.....they are wonderful, talk more. :)
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I drool every time I see those Italian masterpieces. I was given a CD with hundreds of photos of purely Italian motocross and enduro bikes. I should start a new thread showing some of them......
Seriously,I love this period of enduro. Lots of machine variety, plenty of development and innovation,
I couldn't agree more, it was the coming of age of the proper enduro bike and development went ahead in leaps and bounds. ..................now, back to PE Suzuki's. ;)
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one of many videos available from the 1976 ISDT - but of interest because immediately the video starts, it show an IT400C (1 of 4 entered) in the Parc Ferme, and the next scene is one of the PE250's (no 267)..
http://youtu.be/I7u-Yu0WLhQ
Enjoy.. ;D
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Even a Vespa :o
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West German Zundapp rider Eduard Hau sounds familiar-Eddy Hau rode to victory a few times on the Dakar-gotta be the same guy for sure.
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Thanks everybody. The ISDT results of '76-'80 have been most interesting! What a fabulous period. Still digging around, so if you find more, put it up!
As John Morgan, head of Team Suzuki in the USA back then, told me of the PE - "a bike that turned the woods yellow in the US".
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I've got a book at home on the ISDT - give descriptions and highlights from every ISDT from 1913 to 1980.
1913 was the first "International", but it wasn't a stand alone event in 1913 - First stand alone event was supposed to be 1914, in Eastern France of all places.... International events that year (WWI) saw it postponed.
My favourite from the book was the 1939 event, held in Austria in September.... And yes, the British teams competed (including the Army team)... So they were competing in Austria when war was declared... Hahaha - Clerk of Course was an SS Officer!
The British pulled out on Day 5 from memory, and the German army gave them an escort all the way back to France. They had to stop at army depots full of German tanks etc, to refuel their cars and bikes because the army had comandeered all the petrol...
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sounds like the day5 'special test' was one to remember :D :D :D :D
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I've got a book at home on the ISDT - give descriptions and highlights from every ISDT from 1913 to 1980.
the Mick Walker book, I assume. It's ok, but heck, you'd swear that the only bikes in the entire history of the world were Triumph's. The book could have been SO much more interesting if they had a broader look at the machine developments. The most depressing thing was the brief outline of the outrageous cheating that started to come into the event. Worth getting, but not quite the killer book one would have hoped for.
Luke
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Funny you should mention the cheating, it was mentioned a number of times in the show on 7mate last week. It seemed to be so commonplace as to be accepted and a source of 'aw-shucks' type of humour
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Any pics of Aussie John Hand when he rode the 1980 ISDT on a PE?
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Any pics of Aussie John Hand when he rode the 1980 ISDT on a PE?
This is the one I have seen - anybody have more or details?
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Luke , note the Rm rear shocks and how high the rear is ???
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Luke , note the Rm rear shocks and how high the rear is ???
Stewart I can well understand the RM remote reservoirs, as an ISDT is pretty brutal. As to the height, it looks about right, given the RM shock is a bit longer and he is perhaps using some non-standard rear fender that seems to have a heck of a lot more gap under the rear loop.
Anybody know John Hand first-hand to get the scoop on how he went, his experiences, private photos?
Geoff Udy ran a PE400 there (1980 France) too. Apparently the first one to be seen in Europe.
Love to see shots and get details of his experiences too.
Luke
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When Geoff ran the 400 at Elba (pretty sure that's where it was) he told me it was tough. Not suited to the bigger bikes at all. By the last day I heard they had to lift him onto the bike for the start :D :D and Geoff is pretty tough.
You could easerly call him for a chat.
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I know John as I have raced against his boys (Mick and Rob) in the local Central Qld Enduro's for the past few years. Next time i see him i will have to pick his brain. I have never seen and photos around from his old racing days but I do know he is still damn fast on his suzuki ag bike on the tracks around the gum valley track.
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When Geoff ran the 400 at Elba
Geoff rode the PE in France. By all acounts much tougher than Elba.
Here's some good photo's of 76
http://www.technischesmuseum.at/motorsport-in-oesterreich/veranstaltung/articleid/2136 (http://www.technischesmuseum.at/motorsport-in-oesterreich/veranstaltung/articleid/2136)
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That's a great link-especially when you say it correctly-sex targa fart :D :D :D
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That's a great link-especially when you say it correctly-sex targa fart :D :D :D
zex actually, to my ear! sorry ;)
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depends if you are in the north or the south I guess-or maybe the north of Switzerland where it could be both-or either :D.