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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Marc.com on October 13, 2011, 01:00:59 pm
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Just spare a thought to some of our BOP, Tauranga VMX friends and my mother who now has this mess as part of their ocean view.
We have cheap shipping but it has become cheap at the price of the operational budgets and training of the crews so not in the least shocked at the outcome.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/presserrearsrena_1.jpg)
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:'( >:( I should really put this in "VMX Transport" thread, but can someone do a run out to that ship, blue box third from the top...
Will pay you double in what it cost in your boat fuel plus more $$$...
its got my non replica BSA Goldstar DBD34 Scrambler in it ... :P ;) ;)
cheers A
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Not to mention 1 mates 69 Camaro and another mates Mach1 Mustang.
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I think those containers washed up on the beach today and a couple of the brothers drove off in them.
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That inlet, from the bay into the port is impressive. To watch the rip and the ships navigating that narrow channel makes you wonder how that captain managed to eff it up where he did.
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As if our brother's across the ditch haven't had enough grief this year, makes me think that you guy's deserve to win the RWC to help raise the country's spirit's.
But I had to give myself an uppercut to snap out of it. ;)
Sorry bro.
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They'ill have to do a new advertising for NZ now....instead of "pure NZ", it will be "Crude NZ".... ;D it shits me when things like this happens, the companies that have caused the problem always get off light....the governments talk tough but by the time it hits the courts it turns into a deflated balloon. ???.....poor old taxpayer cops another poke in the eye. There will be alot of money lost by punters too as most cargo isnt insured. The plipapino captain probably thought he was driving a "Jeepnee".
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They'ill have to do a new advertising for NZ now....instead of "pure NZ", it will be "Crude NZ".... ;D it shits me when things like this happens, the companies that have caused the problem always get off light....the governments talk tough but by the time it hits the courts it turns into a deflated balloon. ???.....poor old taxpayer cops another poke in the eye. There will be alot of money lost by punters too as most cargo isnt insured. The plipapino captain probably thought he was driving a "Jeepnee".
Joan your right , but its the same in all aspects of society these days ::) mongrel kids run up 10s of thousands of dollars worth of traffic fines then the court just wipes them kid walks away scott free and the cycle starts again >:(
Pricks who rip off pensioners then the court gets all tough and siezes their assetts , so they go to welfare get all the handouts house, benefits, etc etc so their better off than you or I >:(
We live in a society that talks tough but never follows through ::) theres to much conflict between getting justice but being seen to be humane good guys ::)
My dislike of the raghead nations is well voiced :D but i take my hat off to them when it comes to metering out punishments ;) No forking PC shit there.
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There will be alot of money lost by punters too as most cargo isnt insured.
Actually even there ability to prosecute the Captain is subject to the vessel being within 12 nautical miles of the shore where the vessel comes under port state control otherwise technically he is under Monrovian law and a Monrovian citizen.
Persuit of the owners through the courts will require prosecution through the registration State in this case Monrovia or through the International Court of Justice which take decades. It is actually quite unusual for commercial cargo not to be insured as the vessel is a 'common carrier' so by shipping your car or bike have hired the vessel and therefore contributed to its loss so under 'general average' technically you may have to pay out for damages as an individual, which is to a maximum 415 SDR /m3 .... roughly.
What this all means is the system is set up so the loss is spread over the maximum number of insurance companies and people due to the size and scope of the loss. The guys that will get paid are probably the vessel owners who will get far more of a pay out than the vessel is probably worth at the moment..... they belong to an insurance club that will pay out pretty immediately. But they still have some big bills coming.
So make sure you always take insurance. the wanker from Mediterranean Shipping who claimed they have no legal responsibility as the charterer is a little misinformed.
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Total Cluster-f@#K
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Always makes me wonder when there piled that high why dont they lose a lot more containers in the drink. YOU would wanna hope your last port off, so you get a slot on the bottom huh.
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So make sure you always take insurance. the wanker from Mediterranean Shipping who claimed they have no legal responsibility as the charterer is a little misinformed.
Maritime law is a little, err, different to what common sense would dictate. A few years ago a large container vessel parked itself on the beach of Cape Town (not too different to this scenario) and the owners of the cargo had to pay for that vessels salvage. I had a chat to an enduro rider friend who was in the business and he said it was quite normal in martime law.
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Hi all, it's a sign of the de-evolution of the human race. In this age of satellite navigation etc... it should never have happened. The better the technology the dumber we get....
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Hey Freaky, they loose shitloads of containers all the time.....container...what container?
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Maritime law is a little, err, different to what common sense would dictate. A few years ago a large container vessel parked itself on the beach of Cape Town (not too different to this scenario) and the owners of the cargo had to pay for that vessels salvage. I had a chat to an enduro rider friend who was in the business and he said it was quite normal in martime law.
Hi Tim, I think it was this ship who missed the approach to Cape Town, finally they had to build a temporary wharf out alongside the vessel to recover it. Maritime Law uses the principle that roughly by hiring the ship you contribute to the accident, but the main point is that a loss is such a huge expense no one under writing or insurance company can cover it.
Its all very old and archaic where the vessel owners join a pool to cover the ships and they are paid back if no claim is made, they also have private investors called faces..... Lloyds of London have a bell in the lobby called the Lutine Bell that is struck to advise 'faces' that underwrite vessels that one has been lost...... and this is where we get the expression "for whom the bell tolls"
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No it wasn't that one Marc. That one's on the rocks. The one I was thinking about was beached and eventually refloated without damage.
(http://www.iol.co.za/polopoly_fs/ship-4-1.93630!/image/newspic3f41fbc43e745.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_300/newspic3f41fbc43e745.jpg)
About faces at Lloyds: James Hunt was one of the "faces" at Lloyds and lost it all when Lloyds got into trouble a few years ago.
P.S. What have Lloyds and Wimpy bars got in common?
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I have no idea what Lloyds and Whimpy bars have in common ?
BTW check out this website for transport loss..... scroll through some great photos
http://www.cargolaw.com/2000nightmare_singles.only.html#Whale-of-Tale
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You can pay a premium to have your container stowed inside the hull, we do..
The other thing to take into account is the late return fees on the containers, you get around ten days from the ships original eta. After that you are charged per day on an increasing scale for every day the container is late back. !!
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I have no idea what Lloyds and Whimpy bars have in common ?
Both were originally coffee houses in London. Lloyds coffee houses eventually morphed into Lloyds shipping insurance and Wimpy was a subsidiary of Lyons coffee houses (coincidently owned by Nigella Lawsons family).
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Sorry to come in late here but (at the risk of being called pedantic) Monrovia is not a country, it is the capital of Liberia. The Liberian registration requirements are somewhat less than rigorous, hence its popularity as a "flag of convenience". Regrettably I don't think this will be resolved anytime soon, and the people of Tauranga and environs will be the ones to suffer.
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Both were originally coffee houses in London. Lloyds coffee houses eventually morphed into Lloyds shipping insurance and Wimpy was a subsidiary of Lyons coffee houses (coincidently owned by Nigella Lawsons family).
I knew that about Lloyds but didn't know that about Wimpy ..... still not sure Wimpy still exist in this part of the world. Sorry I am corrected Monrovia is capital Liberia, yeah in this case the Flag of Convenience will probably only be convenient for the owner
Well Catherine Taylor and Maritime NZ appear to have exhibited their usual drooling incompetence....thank god the cavalry of real expertise just turned up from Singapore, Maritime NZ used to be called the Maritime Safety Authority ..... based on their endless deaths, cock ups and cover ups I am not surprised they dropped the Safety bit out of their title, it was giving the wrong impression .... corrupt evil Government free loaders, led by one of Helen's unqualified old Uni mates and a bunch of half qualified Poms, more typically NZ than the Kiwi these days.
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...... and this is where we get the expression "for whom the bell tolls"
I think it has been more general than that. That is one of many meanings and colourful speech.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/for-whom-the-bell-tolls.html
I always remember "for whom the bell tolls" from the fuller quote on the inside cover of Hemingway's book.
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A baby fur seal has made its way into a New Zealand home and taken a quick nap on the couch.
Annette Swoffer lives about 300 metres from the water at Tauranga on the Bay of Plenty on the North Island.
She was at home on Sunday night when she heard a racket and went to investigate.
She found the fur seal curled up on the couch having negotiated a busy road, a long driveway, a fence, cat door, two cats, a dog and a set of stairs.
"It was a lovely experience I'd have to say, a real treat," she said.
Photo: The seal was on the couch for about 45 minutes. (NZ Department of Conservation)
The seal ignored Ms Swoffer's dog and cats and plonked itself on the couch for about 45 minutes.
"I was in my office and I heard an awful racket down below ... I thought the cats have brought a rabbit or something in so I went down and had a look - and there's a seal in my kitchen," Ms Swoffer told The Bay of Plenty Times.
"I thought 'I'm hallucinating, this is just wrong'."
Ms Swoffer called the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, who then called the Department of Conservation (DOC), which sent a ranger to pick the mammal up.
"They were giggling away and I'm saying 'I'm not drunk, I'm not lying, there's a seal in my house'," she told the Bay of Plenty Times.
The pup was returned to the sea by a wildlife officer, but not before the intrepid adventurer got from the back of the car into the front and turned on the radio.
It was believed the same seal had been collected from a garden earlier that day and seen at a roundabout the next.
"It's not that unusual to have a seal turn up in strange places, especially in coastal areas," DOC spokeswoman Katrina Knill told ABC News Online.
"They swim up rivers and streams and then sometimes they do venture on roads and land."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-14/seal-makes-itself-at-home/3730682
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A baby fur seal has made its way into a New Zealand home and taken a quick nap on the couch.
Yeah there has been a lot of going on with seals lately, nice to get a happy story. Some idiot shot one yesterday. I had a friend who used to get plagued by Penguins coming up under the house and round the garden.