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Marque Remarks => Husqvarna => Topic started by: mustanggrahame on February 21, 2011, 08:11:55 pm
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Hi all, who is knowledgeable about the air cooled 4 strokes? I have a 1984 TE510 and there doesn't seem to be much info on the net. Are they reliable? Parts availability? This is my first Euro bike.
Thanks, Grahame
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Hi Grahame, did you just buy this one (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160543788059&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) by any chance?
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Yep, do you know anything about it? I rode an 83 TC when it was new. My bike then was a YZ125K and I found the Husky pretty awesome. I haven't seen one in the flesh since.
Grahame.
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I will tell you what I know Grahame.
1) I wish it was me instead of you.
2) Fernando Franco, from Husky Parts Australia (http://www.huskyparts.com.au/) knows more about this model than you will probably ever need to Know.
Good luck mate ;)
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Thanks Mick, I am very excited about it. I now have an Evo bike if I'm man enough to ride it well.
Grahame
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I can see why you would be excited Grahame. If life is a game of chess? and it is ::)
You just made a killer move.
Can we look forward to seeing you at the NSW heaven meets?
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http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6919.15
cheers A
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Mick, I live in Victoria and my plan is to Vinduro it a bit first and then see if the bike and me are up to a bit of motocross.
VMX, I did see that post but I couldn't bring up the photos to see what people were talking about. I guess it was the blue and yellow TC I did see for sale about 2 years ago? Did it sell? Is anyone campaigning one of these at the moment?
Cheers, Grahame
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VMX, I did see that post but I couldn't bring up the photos to see what people were talking about. I guess it was the blue and yellow TC I did see for sale about 2 years ago? Did it sell? Is anyone campaigning one of these at the moment?
Cheers, Grahame
She will love a bit of natural terrain too ;D
You could message this member-he's up for a good year on a bigthumper ;) 8)
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=17395.0
cheers A
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there is a quite a bit on cafe husky and a french site called leguide devert under 510 HVA . I wore a hole in a sand shoe learning to start mine.Enjoy!
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There's one being raced in the VCM series in Vic, or at least there was last season, should be back this year. A "real" 4T MXer, much better than one of those HL monstrosities. The toxic avenger is better looking than an HL.
K
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The toxic avenger is better looking than an HL.
K
What the hell are you smoking put there in Bendigo ... just because you do not have the good taste to own an HL
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/CA7A0RJ5.jpg)
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AAARGH! Quick, someone please poke my eyes out with a stick!
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AAARGH! Quick, someone please poke my eyes out with a stick!
Speaking of eye protection I have a 79 Husky frame that has a date with the grinder and an SR500 motor or XR500, which one would you use bigK.
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I wonder what Bengt Aberg would think of the bike pictured above bearing his name ? Somehow, It is a bit different looking to the one(s) he rode back in the day. With all that chrome and bling , the only thing missing is the tassles hanging from the end of the handgrips ( and maybe from the holes in the fork leg bracket where the disc caliper used to mount ;)). I think that Bengt may have an interest in VMX too, by the way (this isn't his bike, but I think he was a spectator at a VMX event in Sweden and posed for the owner of the Can Am) .
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252864/BengtAbergwithTNTCanAm.JPG)
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To quote Doctor Smith, " oh the pain."
K
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Wow thats whats missing for the white HL, the Can Ams seat cover.
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Seeing as this thread seemed to get sidetracked from the original topic, I thought that I would post up a picture of a nice looking '83 TE510 that I saw at the Crawford River Classic a few years ago .
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252864/Husky%20510%20at%20CRC.JPG)
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I like the TX desert version but i dont know if theres many in Australia.
www.husqvarna-parts.com can probably help with parts too
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My brother raced a TX in the mid 80's, apparently at that time there was only two TX's in Australia.
(http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/9045/morrispark.jpg)
(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/5268/morrispark2.jpg)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9649/77387163.jpg)
Cheers!
Leslie
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My brother raced a TX in the mid 80's, apparently at that time there was only two TX's in Australia.
There was an '83 TX510 bought new in Townsville . It is still here now, but with a different owner. Just as a bit of trivia, the first TC model Huskys were actually TC500s (not 510s). This was because of the F.I.M 500 MX class rules, where you were only allowed a maximum capacity of 500cc. This was later changed to allow fourstrokes to have up to 650cc (I think?), to compete against the 500cc two strokes . Jacky Martens won the '93 World 500cc MX Championship on a 610 Husky fourstroke .
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Just a couple of shots of the TE now that I had a day spare to check it out. Cheers, Grahame.
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy211/smartybananapants/002-2.jpg)
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy211/smartybananapants/005-2.jpg)(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy211/smartybananapants/006-2.jpg)
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Have you got it going yet?
I suggest you pull it down and check the top end as a minimum. They have no rev limiter, and were prone to dropping valves when over revved - most 2nd hand heads have been welded, and contributes to why they cost so much..
The dellorto is very sensitive even if slightly off it wont kick start, and i would say standard jetting is best. bump starting is a esy way to get it going
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any others out there? - at brisbanes nudgee track yesterday..
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_Slmk1-PVJ-Y/TX0wlMY5piI/AAAAAAAAAI4/0Noxotp9dPg/s800/nudgee%20510s.JPG)
all going and all starting... must be some kind of record...!!
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Hi all,
The bike breathes again after 18 years of parked in the back of a shed. Very powerful. I need to tune it now. Needle and jet are very worn.
Basically the bike only needed a carby clean, and a very hefty kick. Does anybody know where to get Dellorto carby parts?
Cheers, Grahame.
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Most Ducati shops carry a range of Dellorto jets, i got mine from Ducati Gold Coast he has a good range of jets and needles.
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Hello
I'm Michel Dufayard from France , interested by vintage HVA 510 te ( I own several)
and also automatics.
Here's the link to a thread I began on french Forum "guide vert "about 510 aircooled.
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=229819 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=229819)
Michel
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Parts availability?
If anyone needs pistons, I have NOS Mahle piston kits available for the 500/510 4 strokes.
Steve
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I got a lot of dellorto parts from a KTM dealer. They had those carbies through to 1998ish or even newer. KTM540SX I think
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Michel,
Rumor back in the early days of the 510 was that Husky used the Maely Speedway engine from California for testing/development.
Here is a link to an article on him and his engine. He developed it from the early XL350 Honda engine also.
http://www.oldrice.com/Maely.htm (http://www.oldrice.com/Maely.htm)
Do you know anything of this? I read through your Le Guide Vert postings... Very complete, thank you for all of the photos and information.
Swiss
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Hello Swiss
No I don't know much about the early 510.
I know only that they used a 350 xl head on the first motors
to experiment. Not more !
Thanks
Michel
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Mmmm, how to put pics ??? ???
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Hello
I'm Michel Dufayard from France , interested by vintage HVA 510 te ( I own several)
and also automatics.
Here's the link to a thread I began on french Forum "guide vert "about 510 aircooled.
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=229819 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=229819)
Michel
I've added the first thread about 510 aircooled twinshocks on "guide vert".
The first thread was lost for some weeks due to a informatic problem.
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=81834
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The 510 #29 on page 2 is a TX not a TE. A great, fun bike to race but a prick to start. That same
bike was featured in a early VMX mag and also Ray's book on VMX Motocross Bikes ;)
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they are ok (not great) to start if everything is 100% good in the 40mm carby. the3 up here in qld are all 1- 3 kick starters hot or cold
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Michel,
Do you have a link to the posts from Stephane Tirot and his CR/XL420 on the French web site? I used to be able to get to it with Google Translate, but then Google changed something and I could not get to the link any more? Also, Google will only access the one page that I connect to? When I change pages, the web site won't recognise my log-in and kicks me back to the introduction page? I can log in but when I try again to go to page 2 it throws me back to the Homepage without my log-in? I can't even ask for help on the web site because I can't log in to Post for help!
Swiss
Loved your Husky photos and history information!
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There is a beautiul one for sale in the Uk at the moment. The builder sold it, the new owner rode it once and it is for sale again. It'll be a lucky bloke who gets it.....
HVA Factory in the UK have alsorts of parts for the 510, valves, pistones, heads, barrels plus a whole host of other Husky parts....
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Michel,
Do you have a link to the posts from Stephane Tirot and his CR/XL420 on the French web site? I used to be able to get to it with Google Translate, but then Google changed something and I could not get to the link any more? Also, Google will only access the one page that I connect to? When I change pages, the web site won't recognise my log-in and kicks me back to the introduction page? I can log in but when I try again to go to page 2 it throws me back to the Homepage without my log-in? I can't even ask for help on the web site because I can't log in to Post for help!
Swiss
Loved your Husky photos and history information!
Hello Swiss
Is it that you are looking for ???
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018)
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=2 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=2)
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=3 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=3)
http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=4 (http://www.leguidevert.com/_V6/viewtopic.php?id=144018&p=4)
Michel
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Yes, that is it! Thank you, lots of fantastic photos of all kinds of cool Thumper race bikes!
Swiss
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The 510 #29 on page 2 is a TX not a TE. A great, fun bike to race but a prick to start. That same
bike was featured in a early VMX mag and also Ray's book on VMX Motocross Bikes ;)
What are the differences between the 510 te and tx ?
I've seen pics of original 83 510 tx with a tube under the motor ( like TE and WR)
and a rear frame not cutten ( different of the 510 # 29).
Michel
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it would be good to get a bit of background on the 510 for us 2 stroke husky dudes ,what years and models came out ? i know i rode a mates back in 83 'and they hammer -cool ride ;) ps welcome to the forum michel :)
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I think they only made the 4 stroke air cooled for 3 years,
1983 as per 4V5 bother's, 1984 with the dropping down tank like mine, and the 1985 model with single shock.
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy211/smartybananapants/002-1.jpg)
I haven't seen an 85 model in the flesh but I think these look the best.
Cheers, Grahame
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Did the air cooled 510 use roller rocker arms?
Swiss
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yes, and those bearings are common to the 410 and 610
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OK so the 410/510/610 all use the Roller Rocker Arms. That makes me curious how close the cams/rocker design is to the prototype Honda XL350. Any chance of adapting parts? How reliable have the Husky rocker arms been?
Swiss
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i cant speak for the 350 head, but I have sat the xl 500 head (wish full thinking!!) on the husky barrel - no go.
roller rockers are pretty good . i recently replaced mine (84 te with 83 head), but probably didnt need to, and i doubt theyd ever been done. Apart from lunching valves , & associated damage due to the valve springs all the head components seem good, but ive only seen 1/2 a dozen heads, but never a dead cam yet.
Are you particularly wanting to recreate the original, or are you looking for an alternative to the ever dwindling supply and skyrocketing price of husky heads?
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Looking for a possible "better" replacement for the hard to find XL350 rockers. If as it seems the early Husky head was based on the prototype XL350 combination, then it MIGHT be possible that there could be some similarity and possibility of parts swapping. The XL500 head that you looked at had a much bigger stock bore 89mm than the XL350 and also wider valve spacing/bigger valves. Can you measure the c-c of the intake and exhaust valve pairs? That would be a start.
Thanks,
Swiss
Any valvetrain cam area photos would be cool!
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ok give me a day or so. can do measurements and photos
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What are the differences between the 510 te and tx ?
The 510 TE is the enduro model and the 510 TX is the desert/cross country model, primarily designed for the USA market when desert racing was all the range. TC was the motocross model.
VMX mag issue 19 has a feature article on the 510's and explains a few differences. From memory the different versions had differen amounts of suspension travel, the TE having the least. There was also slight capacity variations if i am remembering correctly. Been ages since i read the article
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VMX-Vintage-MX-Dirt-Bike-AHRMA-Magazine-Issue-19-/370316606950?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item563896fde6
Recommended read for 510 nuts who have not read it yet
(http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!Bi3hQtQCGk~$(KGrHqIH-EYEs8QRORBOBLRHcvlpzQ~~_12.JPG)
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I really like the look of those husky's. The first time I saw one of these was in the early 90's with the motor in a milk crate. The second one I saw had the motor in a milk crate as well. Seemed to be a common theme at the time.
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I'm interested to hear if there is any similarity between the Husky and Honda head at all. I read somewhere (and I know this doesn't make it true) that the husky head was developed with a close look at the Jawa 4 valve head. To me this makes more sense. If a company was going to design a new high performance engine why not look at what is the most successful (in terms of power output) head design to date.
I do have access to a 4 valve Jawa, but like my TE510 it is together and looking from the outside doesn't give any clues.
Cheers, Grahame.
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Love the way Husqvarna stuck a four stroke top end on more or less a two stroke bottom end, and used a unique system of reed valves to keeping everything lubricated. Rick Sieman gives a description of it... http://articles.superhunky.com/4/294
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I don't think Rick is right about the early type water cooled 4 strokes having a normal oiling system. I thought Husky kept the no mechanical oil pump for quite a while. There is certainly a lot more oil going places in the Husky set up than there is in any 2 stroke.
Grahame.
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I think 99 was first oilpump.
Heres mine 96 six days enduro
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/luupaa_kuvat/kone.jpg)
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(http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/14676/b713c7146759459.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b713c7146759459)
(http://thumbnails48.imagebam.com/14676/65912c146759464.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/65912c146759464)
(http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/14676/ad709a146759474.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ad709a146759474)
Honda head + HVA bottom end.
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(http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/14677/70152a146762425.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/70152a146762425)
My 510 painted as Gustavsson#2.
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been a bit flat out but here are 2 pics of the rocker cover an the head.
c-c is 40 mm more or less
well im not getting the pic directly on but you can link to the pics
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G0coOBIodm0/TllS2ywMhpI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/MYRrOpxlW2s/s400/head_1a.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mJIScv8xEgg/TllTSjD6BYI/AAAAAAAAAKg/A1uVZMLYWLk/s400/head_2a.JPG)
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Links aren't working for me? The Honda XL350 c-c is 37.7mm.. I think the authuser might limit who can access your pics. If you have a link just to the album and then I can find the right photos?
Swiss
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look back, fixed the technical hitch..
my measurements were hurried, i did get 39mm on exhaust side and 40 on inlet and 40 on rockers, but as i say it was quick.
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p438/sscf_2008/Camcoverrollerrockers2.jpg)
Here is an English Grasstrack roller rocker head for the XL Honda. Difference in the cam lobe locations but pretty similar in design. Can you measure the c-c distance between the rocker pivots?
Thanks,
Swiss
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49 mm. A bit odd, but i measured 2 rocker covers.
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Well, there are a couple of mm differences here and there. It would take some real work to try to make one of the 510 heads fit on an XL350. Plus the cam lobes are switch for positioning, and there is no points/ign. extension on the cam etc.. Anything is possible but not easy!
Swiss