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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: BAHNZY on September 21, 2010, 10:51:48 pm
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Is the early alloy tank PE250 any more desirable than the later plastic tank models or are the alloy swing arm 79/80 models more sought after?
Have been watching quite a few different versions on Flea-Bay of late and what seems like clean decent bikes don’t seem to fetch much more than $900 to $1000. Whilst I haven’t seen an alloy tank bike for sale for a long time which got me to thinking that perhaps they are being held onto, or their simply not around.
Bit of a loaded question as i have a 77 PE250 and dont know wether i should move it on or keep it.
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I have 2 "B's"...one I'm VMXing at the moment....cool bikes and I think they will probably be the most collectable as they where the first....bit like YZ A's etc. Shitters seem to pull about $1500. I also think people are hoarding them or just hanging on to them.
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just swapped 30 pack 4x gold,& litr bottle of JD for 2/77 PE 250 ,runner with missing tailite, 8),(miss the JD but ;D), :P
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a good PE250B has the most character of them all. To find one with all the original bits is getting a bit hard of late.
Many PE owners love their particular bike(s) but the 250B is generally seen as the most special/desireable, given its impact at the time.
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I got given a 78/250 , headlight missing/new guards otherwise all original. ;D
Mike
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Is the early alloy tank PE250 any more desirable than the later plastic tank models or are the alloy swing arm 79/80 models more sought after?
79 model isnt alloy swing arm.
I do think the 77 250 B is quite desirable as its the first model and the model that started it all, it also has an alloy tank which to many people means it has a more 'classic' or 'Worksy' look/feel about it
My 82 PE250 is desirable to me because it is such a rare bike and many people at first didnt believe me when i said they existed and i had one.
The 1980 PE250T is also more desiarble to me as there was a lot of improvements over the 79 and had a totally different new look.
The 1981 PE250X is not as desirable to me as its only a refinement of the 81
If i had to choose a 77, 78 or 79 model then it would be a 77 for sure, stock standard 78 or 79 models dont do much for me, i would only like one of them if could have one with every single piece of period trick aftermarket gear available at the time like what Luke has with is 175 N. In stock form, 78/79 250's dont do much for me.
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Geoff Udy from Toowoomba way raced them all in the day and has the B as his fave for sure.
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just swapped 30 pack 4x gold,& litr bottle of JD for 2/77 PE 250 ,runner with missing tailite, 8),(miss the JD but ;D), :P
just had another good look at it's compliance plate,it's 9/73 model!!,oops ::),22583 frame ,whats 1st model,73 seems early for PE's, :P
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You must be taking drugs...PE's didnt start till 77..."B" was the first...sounds like you have a "TS"....sounded to good to be true ;D ;D
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I have a 250b Bahnzy a couple of weeks ago I split the cases to rebuild the crank they are a hard to find bike I have almost enough to build mine bar pipe and muffler they do look very nice and most stuff is still available to do them up but if it isn't your thing I'd onsell I have a 175n aswell but I don't know if I will get around to rebuilding it so it is hard to justify keeping you don't really 100% need. :(
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the PE250T/X/Z lacks character, but the B oozes the stuff. A way cool bike ;D
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You must be taking drugs...PE's didnt start till 77..."B" was the first...sounds like you have a "TS"....sounded to good to be true ;D ;D
ok back shortly (for another look), ???, :P
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maybe you have a 78 7 doesn't usually look like 3 you may have missed the other side of the 3 and have a 78 more likely.
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frosty's nailed it ;D,just had look it's 9/78 not 73,(don't know where i got the 2/77 from either ::)),not enough drugs i think ;D, :P
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78 is still a nice bike main difference is the plastics probably physically tougher than the alloy tank and on 77 being desirable it is a nice bike but I'd swap it for a 250z no question the 250z is alot rarer.
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You are all on Drugs or drinking tooooo much red cordial. PE 250 X is the pick of them all. A 77 was a Rm in disguise were as a 81 is more refined and purpose built.
John.... yes the 77 will be more a collectors bike as you have stated ....to say they are Desirable - no they are not.
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It's good to see the PE crowd are of one voice ;D
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250z is more refined than 250x Stew folding brake lever and gear lever stock better forks.
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If you like PE's...THEY ARE ALL DESIRABLE ;D
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frosty ... the X had a better spread of power, folding brake pedal & gear lever sounds good on paper, but when they got a stick or grass wedged in them it became a pain the A
Forks, where always a matter of opinion as the oil was too light from factory .... some put air in - others used heavier oil - I used Rm legs and triples ( rubber mounted )
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the X had a better spread of power
Compared to what?
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That oldfart fella is just talking out of his arse....dont pay attention to him...and he's a plumber, so you could imagine what he does to his bikes!!! :D
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Plumbers have been known to be good with bikes I am an apprentice plumber no real probs with my PE's yet. ;)
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DESIRABILITY equates to having pleasing qualities or properties. This could apply to all makes and models to some extent so desirability is actually very individual thing and entirely in the eyes of the beholder.
The most desirable PE for me is the PE175C. In '78 I used to look long and hard at the image below
(http://abei1a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p9THRGrvOtPobCj40XbBiROKKVbdoWJELJTaKXs6jLeSW8yX_iVXfR_daxp912BaDt_HCqJ65dor4qSkJ_z-9GV4QsV-MWiSr/1978%20Anthony%20Gunter.jpg?psid=1)
In '78 I had grand plans to get out of school and get a job to fund a spanking new PE and ride across Australia ;D it never happened ::) instead I purchased the RM400C and never looked back 8) I've 'never' owned a PE but the PE175C/N is the model I always desired. I suppose the closest I ever got would be my TS250..least it's yellow :P ;D
(http://boospq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p5zzR-H55-20951j9cgfxWYYsuKVyvIrklzLWYfm2wyaZf9lnt4l6GSH8b_0b5yVh74HGB93C2ZkdYBKOlRUnkVN6TagTpxBy/2010%20sept%2026%20tsx250%20008.jpg?psid=1)
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Now listen up here Crocka shit there will be no more free be's coming your way if you carry on like that :o
Leith ... a 77 model ;D
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You see that? DOC showing superb taste.
The rest of you, look at that Anthony Gunter shot and ask yourself... if only you had been able to afford a suit, you would have done that too. Chicks love it ;D
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NOS PE250B/C barrel and other parts, eBay US but our dollars' travelling well remember ;)
18 hours to run if anyone's interested in a bidding frenzy..3 bidders at present ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-PE250-PE-250-CYLINDER-HEAD-RINGS-77-VINTAGE-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b55ef104QQitemZ170546622724QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-PE250-PE-250-CYLINDER-HEAD-RINGS-77-VINTAGE-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b55ef104QQitemZ170546622724QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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I'm gonna have a go at that so back off!! ;D
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I was thinking about it but I have one not everything always has to be nos. ::)
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I was thinking about it but I have one not everything always has to be nos. ::)
It is if you are certain NZders I know.
Anyway 250 was always ho hum, desirable is PE400T/ better motor than the RM400T and has the grunt the 250 should have had. For my money the only time the PE ever leap frogged the RM in development.
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for my money, the only PE's that matter are the B/C/N and all the later stuff is bland. The 400 is a good engine, but the bikes lack the character of the earlier models. A bit like Ducati.
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but the bikes lack the character of the earlier models. A bit like Ducati.
I don't know about the later Ducati's lacking character, I will take NCR Hailwood over the bloody original bevel grinder any time.
http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/21.00.shtml
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I'm not into road bikes but I could be if I had one of those " beautiful"
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Yeah I think it is the best bike in the world for 100 grand Euro ::). Guess guys were paying that for Harleys and I know of one Mustang GT that owes that in paint and panel alone.
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Local rider, John Tate has just finished a Monaro that owes about 200K!!!
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It doesn't matter if you spend a heap on a car or bike as long as you intend to keep it becuase no way you will get what it cost to build back.
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Local rider, John Tate has just finished a Monaro that owes about 200K!!!
The Mustang GT500 ended up having a 350K restoration bill above the original purchase. Same German is now paying someone to transplant 69 Stang on to the top of new Benz SLC that has the same wheels base and track.
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If you like PE's...THEY ARE ALL DESIRABLE ;D
I agree. I think my 1980 PE175 is the shit!
Under Ice or under Mud - it starts first kick and just keeps on going!
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/dt_mania/Image0068.jpg)
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/dt_mania/Image0071.jpg)
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Wow a PE with the tank decals on it ;D .... I think all the PE s were good, nothing special at anything but got the job done and tended to be bomb proof.
I notice Dt-Mania has Ducati GTL so his opinion may be suspect ;D
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my dads 400T still ran with the air filter in peices :-\ my 250b needs a crank rebuild as does 175n they are pretty bullet proof if looked after I was lucky to get a tank for my 250b for $50 with only one big ding the 250b I think it will be a good bike when I finish it whenever that is.
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I notice Dt-Mania has Ducati GTL so his opinion may be suspect ;D
Funny, funny guy!! ;D
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paraylised twin ;D
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Wow a PE with the tank decals on it ;D .... I think all the PE s were good, nothing special at anything but got the job done and tended to be bomb proof.
I notice Dt-Mania has Ducati GTL so his opinion may be suspect ;D
I always wondered why i was asked that after 9 years with my 175X and they never fell off ???
Maybe constant fuel through it instead of sitting around?
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It is the sun that gets them Mario the pours in the plastic open up and they bubble off from fuel vapours.
I had some on my 400t they were great for three months then bang a 40 degree day and they were bubbled right up it was cooler than 40 in the shed but obviously the tank got to hot on later model bikes you see stickers on the radiator guards insted of the tanks.
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it depends on the glue used too.
but yeah, the tanks are porous to a degree and WILL cause bubbling at some point.
I lined my tank and have never had any issues since.
Luke
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Bomb proof -agree.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/pesuzuki.jpg)
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247, what magazine/issue is that in? I need a copy.
1983 huh?? wonder who wrote that, unless they have proof of the mythical PE250D that i could never find 100% proof of.
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247, what magazine/issue is that in? I need a copy.
1983 huh?? wonder who wrote that, unless they have proof of the mythical PE250D that i could never find 100% proof of.
Nov 2010 ADB mag !
cheers
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Ok so latest issue then, so thats good.
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That PE175 gets better, original decals and rear guard, are you sure you never staged the photos ::)
Yep the PE250 is bomb proof .... probably more so than 175 which could have more gaps than gear ratios on a bad day.
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+1 for the 250Z - and yes I have one, but I picked that model because it was the last of them, relatively rare, and as pointed out in an earlier post, had improved forks and a few other bits. These were sold as 83 models weren't they, hence the ABD header? Mines a 9/82 build from memory.
The original 77 B is desirable also for the inverse reasons ;)
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82Z was sold as 1982 models, not 83. That ADB magazine ad is just a bit of a mistake i believe. I really would like to try contact Suzuki Japan to find out A) PE production numbers and B) if there really was a PE250D. All we need is one owners manual from a 83 and that would prove it though.
A 9/82 build is very late for a 82
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Yep the PE250 is bomb proof .... probably more so than 175 which could have more gaps than gear ratios on a bad day.
that is easy to fix though, just remove the engine, split the cases, replace all the shift forks, get out your micrometer and measure all the gaps in the cluster and the overall length and shim to EXACTLY the right size.
Your mum could do it. ;D
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just out of curiosity, will RM125 gear clusters swap into the early PE175 cases?
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just out of curiosity, will RM125 gear clusters swap into the early PE175 cases?
I would expect them to - never done it though. Driveshaft and three or four of the gears are common. Might need the RM clutch body and things?
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just out of curiosity, will RM125 gear clusters swap into the early PE175 cases?
Yes. There are a few PE engined RM gearboxed RM125's getting around. It a trade off though as you have to use PE crank and cases you also have to use the PE ignition and large (heavy) flywheel. Some like the lower torque and lack of top end RPM others don't.
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yeah pretty sure it will work. You would be able to work it out with the use of zedder and alpha-sports. Some time ago i did work out its pretty much possible but that was a while ago so im now not 100% sure. I was trying to change TS185 ratios so when i was doing that im sure i found that 125/175 stuff was interchangeable but i couldnt find anything to give me a taller 5th gear on the TS. Its a bit vague now but im pretty sure you will be able to do it like Luke said.
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So what is this one worth worth? or more importantly what should i pay?
Engine No: PE250-20555
Chassis No: PE250-20585
Build Date: 02/78
1. Been told that it runs and shifts gears without any issues, although i have yet to witness it.
2. The original rear muffler is supplied
3. The rear shocks are gone.
4. Gear lever welded, kick starter o/k
5. Plastics are there but have been painted.
6. Side stand is supplied but bracket broken from frame.
7. Seat recently recovered.
8. A spare plastic tank is supplied. (Although the seat does not match it)
9. Speedo & bracket along with the speedo cable are supplied.
10. Complete (in bits) spare "C" engine supplied (with good cylinder head)
11. The wheels look pretty good.
12 A spare swing arm is supplied with good bearings.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_1.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_6.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_3.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_4.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1293707/pe250c_5.jpg)
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Don't know imagine $500 - 750 .... as needs some love
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Confirmed that it is a runner, in fact engine wise it sounds pretty good. Hard to get a real good idea as the rear shocks stop you from doing too much.
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Hard to get a real good idea as the rear shocks stop you from doing too much.
From brand new the rear shocks stopped you from doing too much ;D
I am probably not in love with the C,N ... for me T onwards with all the goodies such as multi tool and original turn signals etc would be most desirable. The T had a lot more good time enduro stuff on it, quick change rear wheel and axle pulls, good stuff.
The PE400T motor was ahead of the RM400T, so I think this is the most desirable PE. The one I lusted after the most.
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Banhzy, I would have to agree T and X models where a lot easier to work on in pits ( user friendly ) and to me they where a Enduro bike, rather than a bike built to of excess stock.
Davey Crocket, pedals one of these in some of our pre 78 rides and semms to enjoy the moment ;D
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they where a Enduro bike, rather than a bike built to of excess stock.
The golden era of Japanese enduro bikes must have been 1980-85, ITs from G on worked, PE T on were really competent bikes, KDX 175-200 were the goods. Then the wheels fell off and it was back to riding 4 strokes and coverted MX bikes like the WR/RMX.
For a while the Japanese were building as good or maybe better real Enduro bikes than the Europeans.
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Maybe the market isn't as big as they needed.
I would love to see more Dakar style replicas but apparently thats the same situation.
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I think the WR and RMX were awesome bikes but seemed a bit of a backward step, insofar as they were not pure enduro with all the goodies, just MX bikes with lights slung on them.... actually WR didn't even give you that.
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I thought they were closer to the old TS/DT type of bike that looked ok but had steel frames and shit rims etc.... having said that my nephew has a TS200R that is a hoot to ride, just under sprung and too heavy.looks the goods on the outside to the average street bike punter and nothing like the PEs of any ilk.