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Title: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on July 30, 2010, 05:03:04 pm
After any good Speedway history websites on any of the names below.
Thanks in advance. 8)
1936 - L. Van Praag
1937 - J Milne
1938 - B. Wilkinson
1949 - T. Price
1950 - F. Williams
1951 - J. Young
1952 - J. Young
1953 - F. Williams
1954 - R. Moore
1955 - P. Craven
1956 - O. Fundin
1957 - B. Briggs
1958 - B. Briggs
1959 - R. Moore
1960 - O. Fundin
1961 - O. Fundin
1962 - P. Craven
1963 - O. Fundin
1964 - B. Briggs
1965 - B. Knutsson
1966 - B. Briggs
1967 - O. Fundin
1968 - I. Mauger
1969 - I. Mauger
1970 - I. Mauger
1971 - O. Olsen
1972 - I. Mauger
1973 - J. Szczakiel
1974 - A. Michanek
1975 - O. Olsen
1976 - P. Collins
1977 - I. Mauger
1978 - O. Olsen

Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on July 30, 2010, 05:12:53 pm
After any good Speedway history websites on any of the names below.
Thanks in advance. 8)

These blokes are fair dinkum true blue Aussie WORLD Speedway Champions.

1936 - L. Van Praag
1938 - B. Wilkinson
1951 - J. Young
1952 - J. Young

Kiwi WORLD Speedway Champions.

1954 - R. Moore
1957 - B. Briggs
1958 - B. Briggs
1959 - R. Moore
1964 - B. Briggs
1966 - B. Briggs
1968 - I. Mauger     http://www.ivanmauger.com/ (http://www.ivanmauger.com/)
1969 - I. Mauger
1970 - I. Mauger
1972 - I. Mauger
1977 - I. Mauger


Some good links to keep you entertained Alison. its a great sport speedway and invented by us Aussies too.

http://justsolos.homestead.com/

http://www.oldtimespeedway.com/

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~stvmagro/
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~stvmagro/pages/mainindex.htm

and probably heaps more around the world
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: IT400C on July 30, 2010, 05:17:15 pm
what about John Titman??  Definitely a True Blue Champion! 
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on July 30, 2010, 05:21:18 pm
what about John Titman??  Definitely a True Blue Champion! 

That name rings a bell,,what state..??
the list from above I just copied from wikepoebar site  ;D
onya Hoonsta-re:justsolos.homestead.com/..some are just little fellows hey,like horse jockeys and Casey Stoner's RR lot.
cheers
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: IT400C on July 30, 2010, 05:21:38 pm
John Titman at the 1978 Speedway Grand Prix H9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKU9Ji6ULK4


And at the 1978 Speedway Grand Prix H14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8CXuKkXfwY



Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on July 30, 2010, 05:22:28 pm
what about John Titman??  Definitely a True Blue Champion! 

yes Titman was a great rider, as was Phil Crump, Billy Sanders, etc and many many other aussies, i just highlighted the World Champions that were aussies
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: IT400C on July 30, 2010, 05:27:27 pm
what about John Titman??  Definitely a True Blue Champion! 

That name rings a bell,,what state..??
the list from above I just copied from wikepoebar site  ;D
onya Hoonsta
cheers

Queensland - owner of JTR (John Titman Racing) - importers of Talon/DEP/SM Pro etc..

http://www.jtr.com.au/john_titman/index.htm
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 30, 2010, 05:45:26 pm
Alison, a good site I found was the Veteran Speedway Riders Assoc and there are links all over the world.
You'll find plenty of good stuff there, I haven't looked in there for a while so good luck.
Steve
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: All Things 414 on July 30, 2010, 05:58:00 pm
Hey Hoony. Do you remember Danny Kennedy from Ballarat?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on July 30, 2010, 06:26:36 pm
Seen a briggs conversion barrell the other day a bloke had, i guess that and the neil street ones kinda makes you realise why aussie have been playing speedway for so long and keeping the fire going.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on July 30, 2010, 06:28:37 pm
Hey Hoony. Do you remember Danny Kennedy from Ballarat?

yes vaguely, i only Raced speedway at Victorian Low level (B Grade) from 1988-1992. i never rode Mildura (due to distant from Melb) i rode at Undera (Shepparton), Myrtleford, Avalon, and the Melbourne Showgrounds
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Iain Cameron on July 30, 2010, 06:38:46 pm
Guys Les richters was a speedway rider as well
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on July 30, 2010, 06:48:52 pm
Alison, a good site I found was the Veteran Speedway Riders Assoc and there are links all over the world.
You'll find plenty of good stuff there, I haven't looked in there for a while so good luck.
Steve

Thanks Curly,I suppose what I was after is people that have raced and created there own website,bit like Danny"Maggo"Chandler in USA.
Some of the stars in the day stayed with it and are still doin it in the dirt.  8)
eg;http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~stvmagro/
also book Fay Taylour: Queen of Speedway.
or maybe something like www.herohoonyshothondahistory.com.au   ;D  ;D   ;)
cheers A
Keep em coming they all good.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 04, 2010, 07:18:19 pm
Some days, you just have to head down to the local library for some old news.  8)
The Collie Mail newspaper still has a large sports section and even back in the day it was going off-1976
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on October 04, 2010, 07:48:37 pm
i am amazed at your thirst for knowledge on all things with 2 & 3 wheels. Speedway is a very interesting sport and there is a wealth of books out there on the subject. i reckon it is probably one of the most documented disciplines of motorcycle racing.


Heres a great book shop Alison that has anything on wheels (or can get it) sorry i couldn't find a website. they are local to me if you want anything and i can post it over to Wait Awhile

Wheels of Time

      10 Clow St, Dandenong, VIC, 3175
     (03) 9792 3944


   
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 04, 2010, 08:28:28 pm
Cheers Hoony-I have a list of books requested for Christmas--though in the great skeam of things, I reckon the RM,TM,XL,Norton list may have already been sent to Santa via ebay  :P .
There is not much at all about the bike models in the articles.Though plenty on the people who ride em  8) Ive also noticed the small amount of pictures,something to do with ink and photo prossesing bitd--Not like now...more ink the better now days.Color SELLS..
There is a few sliders left in Collie,but they are travelling to Perth for events etc,cant seem to do officals course and get it happening,as they are welcome to utilize the Collie Speedway.All too hard  :-\
Anyway the end result---
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 04, 2010, 08:36:21 pm
And what became of the young fellow Michael Lee.....

Michael Lee (speedway rider)
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Michael Lee
 
Personal information
Nationality  Great Britain
Date of birth December 11, 1958 (1958-12-11) (age 51)
Place of birth    Cambridge, England
Current club information
Career status Retired
Career history
Boston Barracudas
King's Lynn Stars
Poole Pirates 1975
1975-1982, 1985-1986, 1991
1983-1984
Individual honours
British Champion
World Champion
World Longtrack Champion 1977, 1978
1980
1981
Team honours
World Team Cup Winner 1977, 1980

Michael Andrew Lee (born 11 December 1958 in Cambridge, England) is a former international speedway rider who won the Speedway World Championship in 1980.[1] A controversial character, he was banned for allegedly endangering other riders in the early eighties.

Career
Lee began his professional speedway career in 1975 with Boston in the second division of speedway in the United Kingdom, the National League. In his first season he recorded an impressive average points score of 9.13, he also rode part-time for top division team King's Lynn.

In 1976, Lee moved full time to British League team King's Lynn and finished the season with an average of 9.22, he was also the British Junior Champion that year.

At the end of the 1977 season, Lee had become the top scorer in the British League with an average of 10.64. He also won the first of his two British Speedway Championship titles. Lee won the World Team Cup with England and he had also made his first appearance in a World Championship Final.[3]

In 1979, Lee finished 3rd in the World Finals, beating Kelly Moran, Billy Sanders and Ole Olsen in a run-off race to claim the bronze medal. The next year, Lee won the World Championship in Gothenburg for the only time, finishing ahead of King's Lynn team mate Dave Jessup. He was also triumphant again with England in the World Team Cup.[3]

Lee opted for a change in clubs in 1983 and move to the Poole Pirates. He had another successful year, finishing with and average of 10.43. At the start of the 1984 season Lee was involved in an incident that would result in him being banned from speedway for a year. In a cup match against former club King's Lynn, Lee was excluded mid-race for a starting offence in heat 5 and returned to the pits in the wrong direction, allegedly causing the other riders to take evasive action. Despite the three other riders and the home promoter giving evidence that he had posed no danger the Speedway Control Board fined him and banned him for 5 years, although this was later reduced on appeal.[2] Many people at the time, including Lee himself, felt that the incident had been used as a pretext to force him out of the sport.

After his ban ended, Lee returned to King's Lynn for two seasons but he was given another fine after he didn't show up to a match in June 1986 and he seemingly quit the sport. He made a short come-back in 1991 with King's Lynn.

Lee was convicted of growing cannabis for his own use in 2007 but avoided a jail term.[4] whoopee chook  ;D

 World Final Appearances
1977 -  SWE Gothenburg - 4th - 12pts + 2pts
1978 -  GBR Wembley - 7th - 9pts
1979 -  POL Chorzów - 3rd - 11pts +3pts
1980 -  SWE Gothenburg - Winner - 14pts
1981 -  GBR Wembley - 10th - 5pts
1983 -  GER Norden - 3rd - 11pts
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on October 04, 2010, 09:06:04 pm
A talent that should've achieved even more.
I spannered for Michael at the Syd Showgrownd in the summer of 76/77 and he looked the goods even then, I was 16 at the time and waiting impatiently to get my full racing licence.
Along with our own Billy Sanders, the seedy side of the sport had a very damaging influence in their lives just as they had the Speedway world at their feet.
The pressure of being Australias big hope and the fact he went close a few times were a big burden for Billy, unfortunately the rest is history.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Rosco86 on October 04, 2010, 09:27:33 pm
414
Being an old Brooklyn Speedway fan/rider, Johnny Dewhurst was the king in Melbourne in the late 60s, Phil Crump ruled Mildura before going overseas and that was when Danny Kennedy was tops at Brooklyn/Avalon. Raced him a few times in handicaps , I raced off 60 and he 120 but didn't realise how hot things can get until Crumpie came off 180. I used to hang around quite a bit with the sidecar boys as many lived near me, always good for a party. (Peter Tolley, Doug Cotterell, John Lewis) Terry Rooney, Ken Walker, Clarry Jones and co could really put on a show. Real hard racing.  Some good places to ride back then: Brooklyn, Avalon, Mildura, Bendigo Showgrounds, Melbourne Showgrounds (haven't they ruined the place!), Romsey, Seymour, Rosedale, Garfield. Most are gone which is the same in most states, all the pity.
they had a vintage spectacular a few weeks back at the Ekka in Brisbane. over 60 vintage cars raced which was a great show. 4 solos for the day, 3 owned by the same bloke and lent to make a show. Pity Qld cant get the vintage solo/sidecar thing happening thats occuring down south. John Titman rode demo laps last year and even though years older he looked the goods. Used to luv watching tv in Melbourne as a kid as Channel 9 used to show the Ekka meetings.
Rosco 86
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Stan S on October 04, 2010, 09:38:10 pm
I also had the opportunity to spanner for an English rider here at Avalon and Mildura in I think 1981. His name was Kenny Carter and he was blindingly fast but also a bit of a nutter. He offered me a job to look after his bikes in 82 but with our first child on the way I declined. From what I remember he won almost every major race that year including the Golden Helmet in England. Alegedly he got excluded from the world final for arguing with the stewards and later shot his missus and himself.
A nutter (whats scarey is he stayed with me for a few days) but could he ride. This is a great clip of Penhall and Carter in action

Stan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDkfH6XlgKo&feature=related
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on October 04, 2010, 09:58:03 pm
Great reading Rosco, i love reading this sort of stuff. post up some more experiences when time permits please.

your era was better than mine, as by the time i got into it all the good venues were near gone. i started in late 80's 2 or 3 years after Laverton closed (although i did go to Laverton as a spectator on many an occasion, used to love watching Ray Bishop on that rotary speed car with the glowing pipes).

Avalon was full of clay and shitful, Bendigo, Seymour, Romsey had finished, Rosedale & Garfield running cars only. Undera was run by SSRAV and Myrtleford ( beautiful track) by Shirley Luke/Peter Marriage, Broadford was practice days only and for me Mildura just too far away from Melb. had a few runs at Laang (near Warrnambool) and a demo day at Wangaratta.

Yes they forked the Melbourne showgrounds, just took the family to the Melbourne show last week and told my wife for the umpteenth time (tell her with passion every time we go anywhere near the place) how they stuffed a good track, riding support races at the Mr Melbourne for 2 years and doing demo rides as part of the Royal Melbourne Show were highlights for me.

But as a spectator ( and rider on a MX Bike in support) the 800 metre Ivan Mauger promoted Australian Long Track Grand Prix's of 1989/90/91 at Bathurst Showgrounds were unbelievable. in 1989 Simon Wigg pulled a mono down the whole main straight flat out and only put it down to slide into the corner, watching 12 long trackers front a start to go into that 1st corner was something else.

Kelvin Tatum in 1990 was apparently clocked at 180km down the back straight, not hard to believe if you were there. Even seeing Ivan and Peter Collins do a demo race was great, they were both 50 years + at the time though you would not know it, they were so close together on the big fast track for those 4 laps you could throw a blanket over both of them.

Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on October 04, 2010, 10:24:39 pm
If anyone out there has the footage of the 1989 or 1991 Australian Long Track Grand Prix's at Bathurst Showgrounds ( i have 1990 and lost my 1991 copy)  i will convert it to DVD for you gratis if you can get me the the video (or a good copy)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 05, 2010, 09:29:50 am
Along with our own Billy Sanders,
Its amazing the techonoledgee we have now to type in a name and follow it through to all manner of website and find that there is a memorial race for Billy  ;D
Sadly like most past riders/hero's- you dont get the glory until your gone  8)

quote;World champion Jason Crump has agreed to appear in the Billy Sanders Memorial meeting at Ipswich on Thursday, April 29.
The meeting will mark the 25th anniversary of the world-class Australian rider's passing.
Ipswich press officer Mike Western said: “There is also a personal connection between the Crump family and Billy as Jason’s father Phil was a team-mate of Billy’s in the Australian national side of that era, making Jason’s participation in the meeting all the more poignant.”


The magzine Old Bike Australiasia also has some great riders history articles in from time to time.

Hows this for a modern day play pen  :o  :P
http://speedwaygp.com/en/venuebydgoszcz2010/a791
cheers
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Rosco86 on October 05, 2010, 08:14:01 pm
Hoony
Back in the 70s she was a bit more relaxed. Ian Treloar (nicknamed the bBeast) was a wild child who passenged for Terry Rooney and a few others. his dad was a trotting trainer and had a property with a track out near where the Latrobe Uni would be nowadays. His dad was a top tainer with setting horses for the Inter Dominion, the Blue Ribbon Aust race. He trained the great Derby Royale if my memory serves me right. The Beast had had enough of sidecars for a while and wanted to try solos. I lent him my Cole Elstar one night at Bendigo and unfortunately for my ego it was probably the quickest it ever went. His Dad wasn't too happy though when my two valve jawa with Ian on top came the opposite way at one of his horse out on  the training track. Don't think that one was ever resolved.

Many stories abound about Clarry the Clown Jones. Many wouldn't know he passengered for Ron Bergmier in scrambles. The two incidents I witnessed with Clarry was a get back a Taylor from Klemzig in SA. Asked Clarry to get a wrench from his toolbox and then stood back and laughed when the dicovered a snake inside. Clarry decided his goldfish were fair game and swallowed them at an after party at the Mildura Speedway one Sunday night. A little while later with the help of copious ales up came the goldfish, still flopping a bit. On another trip to Midura, Clarry had broken his leg. For a laugh he would lie on the Sunrasyia Hwy and wait for the cars to squeal to a stop, thank them and then hobble off on his crutches. when he next fired a 303 ino a goods train we all decided it was time to be elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Stan S on October 05, 2010, 09:51:35 pm
Many stories abound about Clarry the Clown Jones. Many wouldn't know he passengered for Ron Bergmier in scrambles. The two incidents I witnessed with Clarry was a get back a Taylor from Klemzig in SA. Asked Clarry to get a wrench from his toolbox and then stood back and laughed when the dicovered a snake inside. Clarry decided his goldfish were fair game and swallowed them at an after party at the Mildura Speedway one Sunday night. A little while later with the help of copious ales up came the goldfish, still flopping a bit. On another trip to Midura, Clarry had broken his leg. For a laugh he would lie on the Sunrasyia Hwy and wait for the cars to squeal to a stop, thank them and then hobble off on his crutches. when he next fired a 303 ino a goods train we all decided it was time to be elsewhere.

Rosco, I could fill a book with Clarrie Jones stories from a Ballarat prospective.

Stan.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Rosco86 on October 05, 2010, 10:19:18 pm
Hey stan
I reckon you could!!!!! Worry with the sidecar boys was that Clarrie was just one of the bunch. Was in Melb 2 weeks ago, visiting the wife's sick parents in Pakenham. caught the Aust Dirt track titles in Griffith on the way down and stopped for the week. Drove home via your home town as wife wanted a visit at "the Hill". Stayed  a night at Craig's Hotel as it was one of our stops on the wirllwind honeymoon 29 years ago. Very flash now compared to days of old. Told you life was much simplier then. Am an old Saints tragic so I was glad to get out of Vic  by the time the Pies ruled. Ballarat was about 12c last monday and with a nice bit of drizzle, so basically a Summers day. Noticed in your old programs the Looney boys. I would imagine you would have also come across them. One of my first race meetings was on an SL70 and a dax on a bit of land their dad owned or organised for the day. Would have liked to have caught up with you but time constraints didn't allw. Back down over Chrissy so I'll get in contact then to see if your home . Lts of things changed, lots new in Melb, lots to luv but I couldn't get over the traffic in the burbs. Even hectic out around cranbourne were the rellies live.
Rosco86
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 06, 2010, 11:05:04 am
you might be in here  ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SYDNEY-SHOWGROUND-SPEEDWAY-PROGRAM-24th-April-1971-/390203084324?pt=AU_Sport_Motor_Racing_Merchandise&hash=item5ad9ea8e24


this store has always been a bit pricey
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 21, 2010, 11:24:51 pm
As it turns out our Chiropractors receptionist dad raced back in the day at Claremont and mentioned if you or I knew whats happened to Chum Taylor as he never went to last years reunion.??
Anyone !!
cheers
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on October 22, 2010, 04:49:20 am
G'day Alison
A picture of Chum , with Greg Kentwell,  appears in this months edition of Peter White's Speedway World , Chum was attending a VSRA dinner in Sydney last month.
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 22, 2010, 04:31:09 pm
edition of Peter White's Speedway World

What another piece of magic I picked up in the newsagency-Peter Whites Speedway Memories  :P  :P
Looks like its a new paper, with this one being Vol 1 No 4.  8) 
VMX will be like that oneday, with it being such a new sport  ;D
cheers
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on October 22, 2010, 05:43:21 pm
And what became of the young fellow Michael Lee.....

A new book on the shelves --Michael Lee"Back from the Brink" by Tony McDonald
Well done to Michael for fighting off the bad stuff.  8)

purchased from www.retro-speedway,com
or
Retro Speedway ML Book
103 douglas Rd
Hornchurch,Essex,RM11
1AW England

ps: see retro is in  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: KB171 on October 23, 2010, 10:25:02 am
Brooklyn Speedway late 60's John Dewhurst on the right,not sure of the others,
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on December 12, 2010, 01:20:00 pm
Went out to a Christmas work party and got talking to a Clayton Isbel last night.
Amazing who you can end up talking too.  ;D
Turns out he raced solo's between 79 and 85 hanging out with the likes of Ivan Mauger and crew.
Does anyone have any info on Clayton ,maybe in a program or such.?
cheers Alison
Title: Re: Bathurst Longtrack
Post by: TC91 on December 13, 2010, 11:07:51 pm
Hey Hoony
What year was it that we rode at Bathurst? I can recall riding the longtrack on the Sat night and vintage mx on the Sun. If that is the one you are after I have a dvd and a video.
I will be back in Vic in about a week and can get it for you then.
Tony
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on December 13, 2010, 11:36:04 pm
Quote
What year was it that we rode at Bathurst
Tony was it the same year Eddie Warren and Shawn Giles had their huge duel?
If so, I've got video of the vintage motocross (supercross) somewhere. Pelle Granquist won it from Kevin Flood on my Maico and Aldo on my other Maico so I rememeber it well. I rode my Champion Honda and bent the swingarm in practice on one of the huge jumps.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: TC91 on December 15, 2010, 07:18:28 pm
Yes it was, I didnt get to watch the duel as I was in that final but down the other end. Was one of your Maico's a 501? I recall chasing some guy on who was riding this wickedly powerfull Maico and every time I drew beside him he would hold his line and run me off the track!!  That film would make a good xmas gift seeing as I am now officially a member of the esteemed Firkin racing squad dont you think.
Title: Re: Bathurst Longtrack
Post by: Hoony on December 15, 2010, 07:24:51 pm
Hey Hoony
What year was it that we rode at Bathurst? I can recall riding the longtrack on the Sat night and vintage mx on the Sun. If that is the one you are after I have a dvd and a video.
I will be back in Vic in about a week and can get it for you then.
Tony

Hi ya Tony,

we both rode in 1990 and i returned again for 1991 (not sure if you did).
from memory i gave you a 1990 event DVD that i transferred from VHS at Classic Dirt 4 at Broadford, so i think that is what you have.

I am after the 1991 event as i have misplaced or lost my VHS copy of that event, i think Kelvin Tatum was the main event winner.

ALSO it it exists i would love a copy of the first event in 1989 with Simon Wigg the Victor.

What are you doing in NT ?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on December 15, 2010, 09:49:55 pm
Quote
Yes it was, I didnt get to watch the duel as I was in that final but down the other end. Was one of your Maico's a 501? I recall chasing some guy on who was riding this wickedly powerfull Maico and every time I drew beside him he would hold his line and run me off the track!!  That film would make a good xmas gift seeing as I am now officially a member of the esteemed Firkin racing squad dont you think.
That would have been Laurie Alderton on my 350 or Kevin Flood on my 440....the 350 was actually a much quicker bike than that 440. I've never bothered with a 501, they're nothing special. Tony, you're on for that video once I convert it to DVD......and find it!
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: xl59 on December 22, 2010, 09:56:52 pm
hey guys a bit off the track i know. but if you know anyone who is interested i have a large range of speedway world magazines from 1950 onwards and an official speedway program from 1949 newcastle speedway. am wanting to sell them as a job lot. if you could let me know if you know of anyone interested that would be great.
cheers greg
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: colmoody on December 23, 2010, 07:00:29 pm
Howdy xl59, The stuff you have for sale may be of interest to a guy by the name of Brian Darby whom runs Brian Darby's Vintage Speedway web site.

For those that have'nt seen it, it is well worth taking a look at. Fantastic take on the history and detail on Australian Speedway (car, bike and sidecar)

I sort of gather that he does it as a labour of love and if that's the case not sure if he is into paying for stuff.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: TC91 on December 23, 2010, 10:49:37 pm
Hey Hoony,
as the saying goes  "I owe I owe its off to work I go"
I didnt go back in to Bathurst in 91 but I still have the 90 dvd

Tony
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on January 02, 2011, 11:15:36 am
A bit of history from Speedways past.
Legend has it that Lionel Van Praag the winner of the first World Championship hel in 1936 was actually riding a Biggun.
Australian Speedway historian Steve Magro relayed this story recently on a worldwide speedway history chat group and was persecuted relentlessly.
The story is that legendary engine builder, Charlie Ogden and a few others lifted Lionels winning bike over the fence, through the granstand and out of Wembly Stadium before it could be measured.
I'm sure in those days Lionel wouldn't have been the only one bending the rules.
Charlies workshop was not far from where I grew up in Campsie Syd.
My father was a good friend of Charlies and we were regullarly at his workshop and my eldest brother Carl remembers this story coming from Charlie himself.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: ianaust on January 02, 2011, 01:36:14 pm
Hey Steve,  Trev got those before Charlie died and that was his first real big one, most of them had 84S pistons in their 4Bs but you would already know this
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on January 02, 2011, 01:44:00 pm
I didn't know that Ian but it doesn't come as a surprise.
Happy new year to you.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: jimg1au on January 02, 2011, 03:09:32 pm
one of my 4bs had an 84s piston in it.then i got an 84s much nicer to ride.used to road race a 84s in a bsa frame in pre 62 classic road racing.one meeting got knocked back as they said i had the wrong colour no plates should of been green not yellow.i told them it was a short stroke engine but they had no idea at all
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on January 02, 2011, 03:17:50 pm
A bit of history from Speedways past.
Legend has it that Lionel Van Praag the winner of the first World Championship hel in 1936 was actually riding a Biggun.
Australian Speedway historian Steve Magro relayed this story recently on a worldwide speedway history chat group and was persecuted relentlessly.
The story is that legendary engine builder, Charlie Ogden and a few others lifted Lionels winning bike over the fence, through the granstand and out of Wembly Stadium before it could be measured.
I'm sure in those days Lionel wouldn't have been the only one bending the rules.
Charlies workshop was not far from where I grew up in Campsie Syd.
My father was a good friend of Charlies and we were regullarly at his workshop and my eldest brother Carl remembers this story coming from Charlie himself.

that's an interesting one indeed.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on January 02, 2011, 04:59:03 pm
Quote
A bit of history from Speedways past.
Legend has it that Lionel Van Praag the winner of the first World Championship hel in 1936 was actually riding a Biggun.
Australian Speedway historian Steve Magro relayed this story recently on a worldwide speedway history chat group and was persecuted relentlessly.
The story is that legendary engine builder, Charlie Ogden and a few others lifted Lionels winning bike over the fence, through the granstand and out of Wembly Stadium before it could be measured.
I'm sure in those days Lionel wouldn't have been the only one bending the rules.
Charlies workshop was not far from where I grew up in Campsie Syd.
My father was a good friend of Charlies and we were regullarly at his workshop and my eldest brother Carl remembers this story coming from Charlie himself.
That's an interesting yarn but not the least surprising. I can remember sitting in on a conversation between John Langfield, Jim Airey and Cec Platt in the officials box after a Bathurst Long Track meeting where Langy and Airey were talking up the different power characteristics of a 'big 'un' and a legal engine around the Sydney Showground. To quote Langy...."we all did it back then".

Sliderulz...next time I see you remind me to tell you the hilarious yarn regarding Steve Magro, his wheelchair, a plank 'grandstand' at the Bathurst Long Track and a very pissed Mick Wilde. There's a bit too much swearing to tell the yarn in print..it's one of those stories that has to be told verbally for full effect. Let's just say that Magro found Micks breaking point that night ;D
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on January 02, 2011, 06:48:12 pm
To an extent I can understand why Steve Magro was attacked for mentioning this story. It does detract from Lionels achievements, not unlike finding out that Olympic champions were using drugs but you still need to be able to ride the thing and as I said, he wouldn't have been the only one.
Any story involving Wild Mick would be a ripper I'm sure and I look forward to hearing it Mark.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on February 08, 2011, 12:10:55 am
A 1967 Champ in Ray Owens  8)
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on April 08, 2011, 04:15:10 pm
Speedway is a very interesting sport and there is a wealth of books out there on the subject. i reckon it is probably one of the most documented disciplines of motorcycle racing.

Your not wrong there..counted over 100 books on speedway via the bookdepository uk..and my remaining years wont allow me that much reading time.  :P
Wonder if they come in audio..be good for the nulabor Nats trip  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on May 23, 2011, 07:42:44 pm
A 1967 Champ in Ray Owens  8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/RayOwens125Champ.jpg)

and this weekend just gone,a few Legends where cruising around at Tamborne Qld  8)  8) Thanks to Bert for pic !!
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/RayOwenwithTriump.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Slider29 on May 23, 2011, 08:38:10 pm
is that Ray on the throttle?!!!?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on May 23, 2011, 09:09:59 pm
is that Ray on the throttle?!!!?

Yes, do you know any info on the bike under the quick shade tent ??
cheers A
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Post by: matcho mick on May 23, 2011, 10:45:16 pm
looks prewar triumph tiger 70 ish,(green plates), :P
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Slider29 on May 24, 2011, 07:50:50 pm
Sorry mate ,can't help out with the bike, but I've known Ray since i was a kid.  He had shitloads of bikes but i don't know if he still has them all.  I have Ray on film racing that grasstracker at Cambellfield Vic. in the '60's.  regards,  Mark
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 24, 2011, 08:27:17 pm
Can you put it on disc Mark?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Slider29 on May 24, 2011, 08:40:10 pm
Slides, Got it. check what i just put on the images forum.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on May 29, 2011, 03:32:58 pm
looks prewar triumph tiger 70 ish,(green plates), :P
Close to the money, there, Mick. The article accompanying this photo mentions the earlier Triumph 250cc Val Page model # L 2/1

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/RayOwen1.jpg)

Photo from OBA #18
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 29, 2011, 05:54:42 pm
 Talking about Val Pages efforts, I had a Tiger 70-Carey engine in a 3t frame, it was the most astounding 250 I had ever ridden. Unfortunately the thing was totally worn out and I'm ashamed to say I didn't rebuild the thing and use it instead of selling it to [I forget who] The thing was very fast and would accelerate with 500s.
 Wish I had it back! cheers pancho
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on May 30, 2011, 08:39:22 am
looks prewar triumph tiger 70 ish,(green plates), :P
Close to the money, there, Mick. The article accompanying this photo mentions the earlier Triumph 250cc Val Page model # L 2/1
Photo from OBA #18
Foss

Thanks Foss,was it Rays signature to have the number nose cone on his bikes or a common part of bikes,back in the day ? I dont see too many on others !
cheers A
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Post by: JAP 454 on May 30, 2011, 09:03:10 am
G'day A
It was fairly common for nose cone type fairings to be fitted to Dirt Trackers in those days , Charlie Edwards might have started the fashion, I have a photo, from the same magazine, OBA # 18, of Gary Flood chasing Ray at Romsey, Gary has a nose cone , Ray doesn't.
Tony Day still has one fitted to his Hagon 84s and there are a few still around.
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 30, 2011, 09:41:35 am
 I used a nose cone from a busted up dolphin fairing on the road racing R50 that I built up. Dolphin fairings were the in thing in road racing of the 60's consequently quite a few got busted up, and a fair few of these smashed ones got trimmed up and appeared on short circuit dirt tracks.
pancho.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: matcho mick on May 30, 2011, 10:55:37 am
nose cones Bultaco "kit america" metralla race kit nose fairing,Marks ossa,&slider (#29), bikes were running it too,(fwiw i still do them  ;D)
pancho ,a early triumph 70 in a different frame turned up at historic road race weekend swapmeet at eastern creek a few years back,think Norm Genarette was selling it,look pretty serious amount of work done do it,might have been yours??,can't remember who bought it,but think it did sell!, :P
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 30, 2011, 11:12:37 am
 No Mick, mine was an R50 BMW, riden over the development period by Freddie Boyd, then Gordon Doble and at Bathurst ridden by Terry Law.
 Very fast top speed, very poor acceleration and very expensive experience for a youngish mechanic on standard wages. Then when I sold it to this pommy turd from Warrilla my mom let him take it without paying.
 I learnt a bit from all that.
 cheers pancho.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Stan S on May 30, 2011, 11:19:38 am
G'day A
It was fairly common for nose cone type fairings to be fitted to Dirt Trackers in those days , Charlie Edwards might have started the fashion, I have a photo, from the same magazine, OBA # 18, of Gary Flood chasing Ray at Romsey, Gary has a nose cone , Ray doesn't.
Tony Day still has one fitted to his Hagon 84s and there are a few still around.
Foss

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on May 30, 2011, 03:05:01 pm
Great shot of Gary, Stan, here's the one from OBA # 18 I was on about

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/GaryandRay.jpg)

The other shot of Ray is, uummm, interesting !!!
Foos
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 30, 2011, 04:49:00 pm
 What track was the '66 titles at Foss?
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Post by: JAP 454 on May 30, 2011, 04:52:18 pm
Old Bar, Pancho
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 30, 2011, 04:55:26 pm
 Was that the same day that matts 500 ESSO blew the side out of the crankcase? If so I was riding my B33 duplex .
  cheers
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 30, 2011, 05:00:18 pm
Yep, Old Bar, Matt rode a Cotton in the 250.
Herb Jeffo cleaned up, Junior, Senoir & Unlimited.
Charlie Edwards won the 125.
Good to see BWP's Squeeky Whyman.
Info - Scaysie's book, OZ Motorcycling Heritage. If you aven't got it, get it.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on May 30, 2011, 06:07:01 pm
Since a few of the above Legends mentioned will be attending CD8 up at Conondale I have been doing a bit of reading etc on these guests and for some reason Ive always thought Matt Daley of the younger era and now see in your post photo above Foss that he would quiet well be over 50  ;D was he the pup of the Titles back in the day ? out of the general Speedway riders as age racing wasn't even a spark in our racing fathers eyes  ;D


After also reading the below book and just finishing a nice little story in the OBA #24 on Winifred Wells journey across the Nullabor on a Royal Enfield Bullet-wouldnt it be nice to have a few Lady Legends at CD8   ;)
also book Fay Taylour: Queen of Speedway.
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cheers & thanks A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 30, 2011, 11:57:02 pm
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80's ? not sure when  - John Titman; Bob Maxfield, ??, Steve Koppe, Phil Herne, Billy Sanders, John Boulger
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 12:09:14 am
Billy 'the Kid' sanders - World Team Cup qualifer, 1974

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 12:12:20 am
carl askew
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Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 12:27:14 am
John Boulger
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Post by: Curly3 on May 31, 2011, 12:45:23 am
The 4 gents in the Showground pits are, Ricky Day, brother Carl and Phil Herne with Brum legend Graeme Warren.
Ricky is a driving instructor these days and is taking my daughter for a lesson tomorrow, Herney is still a proffesional motorbike rider, a postie out at Minto and is the regular starter at the NSW SRA club days at Nepean.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 12:53:11 am
And i reckon in that shot on the cover your Bro is waring a red shower cap as he left his helmet colours at home and you had to pop over to the local shot and grab a packet of mixed shower caps......  hehe  ;D
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 31, 2011, 01:01:43 am
Sorry Freaky, I think that's John Titman on the cover.
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Post by: JAP 454 on May 31, 2011, 06:59:31 am
Top stuff , Freaky
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Doggy Digger on May 31, 2011, 12:55:55 pm
It's well known that two of Victoria's best motocrossers Rod HUNTER and Gary FLOOD
 graduated to teams speedway in England, mid-70s ... I've heard several stories about them.

But I've never seen a photo (alas) of either guy in UK on a slider.

Can anyone post some stuff on Hunter and Flood over there, please ..?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Stan S on May 31, 2011, 02:21:47 pm
Some great footage of Melbourne 1985.

Stan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbYoU1i8wg
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Post by: Doggy Digger on May 31, 2011, 03:39:01 pm
Cracker, Stan!

Loved the Wigg monos   :-)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on May 31, 2011, 07:06:26 pm
yeah great stuff Stan, thanks for posting, i never knew those Mr Melbourne meetings were filmed. i went to that one as well as a few more.

i even got to ride the support class one year on my MkIV Weslake, such a big fast track, loved it.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Mark Austin on May 31, 2011, 10:37:32 pm
Hi Alison,

A good mate of mine is Lionel Van Praag's son, Cliff. He lives in Bondi.
He still has a lot of historical info on that era, I can have a chat to him about it if you like?

Cliff still does a lot of work for me on my bikes and also a few others.

Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 31, 2011, 10:53:42 pm
Wow Mark ( auscobul ) that really is a link to the very early days of Speedway.
I'm sure there is some fantastic stuff there.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 11:37:43 pm
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/25152_110394585651526_100000429544057_162168_3922445_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on May 31, 2011, 11:40:05 pm
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/169031_196320050384696_100000201066956_831154_8341874_n.jpg)

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on June 01, 2011, 07:09:16 pm
Hi Alison,
A good mate of mine is Lionel Van Praag's son, Cliff. He lives in Bondi.
He still has a lot of historical info on that era, I can have a chat to him about it if you like?
Cliff still does a lot of work for me on my bikes and also a few others.
Cheers,
Mark

Good to see you auscobul-hope your attending CD8,need to catch up for longer and not just dream over that KXsr250 on display  ;D  8)
Are the Van Praag family still riding ? So many Pandora box's out there right at our feet  :P
I have a few British Speedway people that email me information about there fantastic lives with bits and pieces they have experienced.Its one era that I missed by a few years.  ;)There is actually a name for people like me ,who get heavly involved in an era they never lived in.It was on the ABC radio,but I missed it  ;D
cheers A
Had a look at this website.Note the nobs on the bike tryres, ??? lost a few now days.
http://www.lionelvanpraag.com/Site/Welcome.html

The latest book 
The Golden era of Speedway
http://www.bookdepository.com/Golden-Age-Speedway-Philip-Dalling/9780752458311
The post-war era was British speedway's golden age. Ten million spectators passed through the turnstiles of a record number of tracks at the sport's peak. With league gates as high as 80,000, speedway offered a colourful means of escape from the grim austerity of the times. A determinedly clean image, with no betting and rival fans mingling on the terraces, made speedway the family night out of choice. The sport thrived despite punitive taxation and Government threats to close down the speedways as a threat to industrial productivity. A three-division National League stretched from Exeter to Edinburgh and the World Championship Final attracted a capacity audience to Wembley. Test matches against Australia provided yet another international dimension. Even at the height of its popularity, speedway was a sporting edifice built on unstable foundations, which crumbled alarmingly as the 1950s dawned and Britain's economic and social recovery brought competing attractions like television.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 01, 2011, 07:18:45 pm
Alison, I'm pretty sure there are no Van Praag's riding today.
Lionel's other son, Barry, was paralized in a prang at that bloody Syd Showground in 73, sadly he passed away several years ago.
What is that name for someone like you?
Because a lot of us fall into the same category.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on June 01, 2011, 07:43:13 pm
Hey, Slides
That's Booey sittin on the bike with the Street engine in the showground shot, Jimbo will have something to say about that engine, I see he's hovering tonight.
Dont know who the other guys are , but I think one of them is Terry Betts.
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 01, 2011, 07:49:43 pm
L- R in the Showground shot, I think.
Allan Wilkinson, ? , Booey ( can't miss him ), John Davis & a very young future world champ Michael Lee.
Has Jim been to see Wayne Newton yet?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on June 01, 2011, 08:00:49 pm
Slides
The ,?, was the one I thought was Terry,
haven't spoken to Jim but he was hovering the forum a few minutes ago
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on June 01, 2011, 08:10:37 pm
L- R in the Showground shot, I think.
Allan Wilkinson, ? , Booey ( can't miss him ), John Davis & a very young future world champ Michael Lee.

hey !! slow down ya going flat bickies  ;D
which photo ?? and is he the same Allan Wilkinson who perhaps took up Greeves Scrambling in his 30/40's ??
Cheers A
 
;D
Alan wilkinsons stuff
Greeve 360 twin port
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181719_1740745051776_1633182812_1655529_816471_n.jpg)
New works bike 68-69
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on June 01, 2011, 08:17:33 pm
                Seein' we're on a Who's Who thread,  Who is this Sydney Showground rider from the '70s ?? pretty easy
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/TRevorHarding.jpg)

Foss
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Post by: JAP 454 on June 01, 2011, 08:20:47 pm
Which photo ??
Top photo in post 86, A
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 01, 2011, 08:27:04 pm
That sure looks like him Alison.
A lot of the English riders also rode Scrambles & Trials etc but they could make a living from Speedway.
Trevor Harding? from Quick Snacks fame.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on June 01, 2011, 08:28:38 pm
Yup , That's Trev, pretty hard to miss ay ??
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 01, 2011, 08:35:57 pm
Hey Alison, I'm pretty sure thats him, check out the features on the guy 2nd from the right in the 2nd Pommy team, could be his Doppleganger.
Al, I think that is the night I spannered for Mike, what a coincidence.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 03, 2011, 01:01:38 am
I raced against Merv last year in the classic titles on the 4 valves, never saw him again once the tapes went up

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opening night at blantyre sports stadium
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aussie eddie argall
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 03, 2011, 01:13:14 am
Michael mckeon
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/150392_171545092869808_100000429544057_467753_4342036_n.jpg)

mccauley
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 03, 2011, 01:20:35 am
SO the sweedes did long track too

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 03, 2011, 01:28:06 am
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on June 03, 2011, 06:37:08 pm
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/pictures/1930s-jap-speedway-racer/

Now I've kind of got the hang of our legends of speedway - what make bikes where they on ??
cheers A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 03, 2011, 06:56:08 pm
Alison, there was a ship load of makes being used, they ranged from a complete bike from Jawa to a bittsa of a number of manufacturers, Inc - Engines & Frames.
There are a couple of sad stories in some of those last photos Freaky.
Englands whiz kid Kenny Carter in the Halifax team shots, commited suicide as did our own Billy Sanders.
Neither could cope with the national & personal pressure they put on themselves to win a World title, both were leading riders roughly the same time.
In Billy's case, his wife running off with one of his best mates didn't help, sadly his son also made the same
choice.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: supersenior 50 on June 03, 2011, 07:03:12 pm
Third from left on post 99 I think is the late, great Billy Sanders
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 03, 2011, 07:05:28 pm
That's him Col, the Rooty Hill Rocket.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 04, 2011, 05:27:35 pm
http://www.pipeburn.com/home/2011/1/29/from-aussie-to-to-the-secret-history-of-speedway.html

Check this out, bloody interesting
You'll like this Alison, if you haven't already stummbled across it, a brief but accurate history.
The Nippon Speedway footage is a classic, they are still riding twins but what are they.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 04, 2011, 05:44:45 pm
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2l8xnxe.jpg)

Some intereting names in this article, inc - Helmut Schippl, now he was loopy.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 04, 2011, 05:50:10 pm
http://www.newcastlespeedwayhistory.co.uk/old%20bikes.htm

Another Ripper.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: NR555 on June 04, 2011, 05:56:06 pm
This thread is awesome.  I'm well connected with Glasgow Speedway to this day and I used to watch the Tigers every week at Craighead Park & Shawfield stadium later on.  Great to see a pic of Steve Lawson in there.  His son Simon was a very promising motocrosser until he was paralysed back in 01.

Glasgow had heaps of Aussies.  Shane Bowes is the one that I've seen most of, but Mick Powell, Jason Lyons & more recently Shane Parker have all ridden there successfully.

Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: GD66 on June 04, 2011, 06:28:56 pm
The Nippon Speedway footage is a classic, they are still riding twins but what are they.




Suzuki AR600 twins.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 04, 2011, 06:46:03 pm
Wonder how many of them are floating around in Japan, I'd love to get one.
I reckon they should rename their Speedway the Hot Shoe Shuffle.

I've had a bit more of a search and there is very little info on this engine.
It looks like its purpose built with no gearbox, I'm intrigued.
Any members living in the land of Nippon?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: GD66 on June 04, 2011, 07:11:56 pm
I think MarcFX is up there, Slidey : maybe poke him a pm.  ;)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on June 06, 2011, 05:14:21 pm
A wee bit of South Australian history  8)

http://www.rowleypark.com/

You can cram in about 100 houses on a speedway venue/track  :'(
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 06, 2011, 06:14:49 pm
Sadly Alison that's exactly the same scenario as Liverpool Speedway here in Syd, I'm sure there are heaps more.
Sign of the tomes and urban sprawl.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 07:20:28 pm
Glasgow had heaps of Aussies.  Shane Bowes is the one that I've seen most of, but Mick Powell, Jason Lyons & more recently Shane Parker have all ridden there successfully.



I think the record for a UK league team is all but one rider where all aussie. infact it may even be all but depending on guest riders  :-\
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 08:59:33 pm
This thread is awesome.  I'm well connected with Glasgow Speedway to this day and I used to watch the Tigers every week at Craighead Park & Shawfield stadium later on.  Great to see a pic of Steve Lawson in there.  

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1977 Gallagher, Hamman, Janke, Dawson, Rourke, Maxfield, McKeon, on bike Collins
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 09:07:26 pm
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 09:43:25 pm
see any thing you like NR
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 11:54:43 pm
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: NR555 on June 09, 2011, 09:10:35 pm
 :o  There's some history!!
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on June 14, 2011, 10:47:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLLllrTfuo&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on June 21, 2011, 12:39:39 pm
http://www.grasstrack.net/s-wigg/Pages/3.html

Simon Wigg Pages with fairing,solid wheels,nose cones and all...  ;D
cheers A

http://vft.org/Museums/DonelsonsMC/DonelsonsMC2.html
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: allan hughes on June 21, 2011, 07:16:03 pm
BOUGHT SOME CLUTCH PLATES TODAY
FROM BERT KINGSTON
THERES AS WHOS WHO
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on June 21, 2011, 07:23:53 pm
Bert even introduced his own tyre, the Kingston Katapult.
Some liked it but most didn't.
He certainly is one of the sports big names.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Slider29 on June 21, 2011, 07:36:18 pm
I tried a Kingston on the back of my JAP 500. To much grip. It was sort of like  a small knobby running on a diagnal across the tyre 
 Mark.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: oldfart on June 23, 2011, 05:39:53 pm
http://sboz.tripod.com/tracks.htm
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 08, 2011, 07:12:35 pm
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Sydney Showground 8/10/77
Thanks to Mark Collins.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on July 08, 2011, 08:39:38 pm
Hey Slides
I see Whisper is off scratch with you there,
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 08, 2011, 08:56:33 pm
Yep and he had his left elbow leaning on my right elbow until just past the Bullpens.
Being a big track and running high gearing it seemed to take ages to get into turn 1.
The forum's Jawa76 is in there as well, out of gate 4.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on July 08, 2011, 09:03:05 pm
Whats a clutch start in the program above, with all these Legends  :P  ;D ...in gear or out of gear ??
cheers A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: JAP 454 on July 08, 2011, 09:08:27 pm
Yep and he had his left elbow leaning on my right elbow until just past the Bullpens.
Being a big track and running high gearing it seemed to take ages to get into turn 1.
The forum's Jawa76 is in there as well, out of gate 4.
Sounds like he was taking lessons from Barry !!!!!
Foss

Oh and A, there aint no in or out of gear with a Skids bike, clutch start just means standing start, old time Speedway in the 30s used to be rolling starts , and all flying lap record attempts were rolling starts as well.
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on July 08, 2011, 09:43:41 pm
Oh and A, there aint no in or out of gear with a Skids bike, clutch start just means standing start, old time Speedway in the 30s used to be rolling starts , and all flying lap record attempts were rolling starts as well.

So morehistory with perhaps the creation of Le'mans starts ??...you guys had it down pat before Jesus was walking on water  ;)   ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 08, 2011, 10:11:39 pm
Further on from that Alison, I'm pretty sure that in the real early days, some bikes were direct drive with no clutch, push start similar to early road racing.
The Peashooter Harley comes to mind.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 14, 2011, 04:46:34 pm
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I don't know who but I know it had to hurt.
Liverpool Syd.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on July 14, 2011, 04:49:25 pm
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Gary Innes, Liverpool again.
Do you reckon his passenger stayed on?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on November 04, 2011, 12:20:08 pm
SNAp frame there dohhhh
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on December 06, 2011, 11:38:56 am
WOOHOOO bloody beauty, one from USA.... 8)  8)  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRO5UtYxFjM&feature=player_embedded
cheers A
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: number 87 on December 07, 2011, 02:06:07 pm
That is some mental stuff - Sydney had a board track at Maroubra in the 1920's . . . . I think


#87
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on December 07, 2011, 02:38:10 pm
cheers #87 - good this cyber space  ;D
In 1923 a syndicate of businessmen was formed to build the Olympia Motor Speedway at Maroubra. A lease on 33 hectares of sandhills and marshland situated on the corner of Anzac Pde and Fitzgerald Ave was secured from the NSW Government. Construction began in 1925 on a huge concrete bowl at an eventual cost of 70,000 pounds. The Speedway opened on the 5 December 1925 with a crowd of 75,000 people in attendance.

The Speedway track was 1.3 kilometers/0.8 miles long, it had one large bend and two small ones, and at one point the banking was at angle of 37 degrees. The fastest cars did lap times of around 33 seconds, with an average speed of 100 mph. The Speedway was surrounded by sandhills which allowed spectators a good view of the action without having to pay the gate fee.

By January 1926 the Speedway had claimed its first victims when Leo Salmon and Albert Vaughan were killed when they sped up the bank and overshot the top. In April 1926 the Speedway went up for auction, and was sold to James S Taylor for the equivalent of 21,700 dollars (James S Taylor owned and operated the Broadway Store, on The Broadway at Junee). During the period of ownership by Taylor the speedway was managed by Herbert J Madden. It reopened with night racing in November 1926 and drew crowds of 18,000 - 20,000 every second Saturday night. Attendance began to fall when the Sydney Speedway reopened, as this venue was more accessible using public transport.

Norman "Wizard" Smith took a Chrysler to Maroubra Speedway on December 22 1926 to take on the existing 24 hour record. Smith averaged speeds of up to 70 mph. All through the night local residents complained of the noise of Smith racing around the track. Although frequently having to change tyres because of the abrasive concrete surface, he still broke the existing 24 hour record with more than 1 hour to spare. Wizard Smith averaged 65 mph for the first 14 hours, then 61.1 mph for the whole 24 hours. The car covered 1000 miles in just under 16 hours, and 1468 miles over the 24 hours. Mechanic C. Trollope, assistant driver Otto James, and mechanic E. Pode assisted Smith.

Maroubra became known as the “"killer track,"” a reputation it never managed to shake despite other tracks having worse records. In 1926 Sydney Dutton was killed during practice, Phil Garlick was killed in January 1927 during a night meeting, and less than a month later Fred Barlow was killed. All three died at the same spot, overshooting the top of the track.

The Speedway was closed in 1928 and the lighting facilities sold off. In 1929 a group of motorcyclists reopened the track for motorcycle racing only. Lionel van Praag, a local resident, was active as an organiser and competitor.

The Depression, and the number of unpaying spectators on Scotsman's Hill forced the track to close, and the gates were locked in 1934.

The lease was taken over in 1947 by the NSW Housing Commission, and the concrete bowl was demolished, and the Coral Sea Housing Estate was built. Building commenced in 1951, and was complete by 1961.
and
http://www.vintagespeedway.com/Maroubra.html

Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on January 06, 2012, 11:23:31 am
same old dirt,same old bikes and same old fun recipe...............
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: number 87 on January 12, 2012, 03:47:45 pm
Any one out there got photos of Brian Collins at the showground or parramatta.

Cheers
#87
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on January 16, 2012, 05:16:35 pm
#87, I talk to Brian's son Mark from time to time so I'll ask him, I think there are a few on the Veteran Speedway Riders Assoc website at the SYD Showground.

A bit of Speedway trivia.
Tim Matheson ( Julia's bitch ) was a mechanic at Stoke Speedway in England when my brother rode there in the late 70's, he also commentated for Ivan at a few of his meetings in VIC during the 90's.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on January 20, 2012, 12:13:33 am
LOve those stand up outfits, specially the water bottles and the kwaka 1ooo
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on May 24, 2012, 07:41:29 pm
http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/contributors.html
Check the guy on the black pipe, top of page.
Believe the contact for these pages are through the contributers.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: jimg1au on May 24, 2012, 10:52:34 pm
freaky if you are getting into speedway and dirt track you cant love the jappas in outfits vincent is the only way.i was working on them when i was at school.
doug robson and tymen the greats around the showground
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 24, 2012, 10:59:06 pm
Jimbo, Doug Robson finnished his career on Suzy waterbottle & Doug Tyreman rode Triumph's.
Buy one Freaky & Jim will swing for you. ;D
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on May 24, 2012, 11:08:05 pm
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That is some mental stuff - Sydney had a board track at Maroubra in the 1920's . . . . I think
I grew up in Minneapolis Cresent Maroubra which was built right on the old Maroubra Speedway. The street was built over what was the back straight. Coral Sea Park was the centre of the track so it's still easy to see exactly where and how big the track actually was. A Google Earth search of Coral Sea Park/Minneapolis crescent, Midway drive and New Orleans crescent will give you an exact location and arial shot.
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Doug Tyreman rode Triumph's.
Klub Kevlar's own Bob Steep owns Doug Tyremans old Triumph outfit along with some other great speedway relics including Werner Greves old Holden midget and one of Tommy Janssons 2V Jawas.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on May 24, 2012, 11:18:27 pm
My father did a lot of Doug T's engine work, I'm pretty sure he still works in his Leather's shop in Yagoona.
Didn't Tommy Janssen get killed racing?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on May 24, 2012, 11:30:16 pm
Yeah Steve, Tommy got killed on the track. The bike's a nice one with Otto's stamp on the engine, I think it's in the Bathurst Museum along with the sidecar.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on May 25, 2012, 05:19:48 pm
 D.T at Yagoona repaired my old leathers recently and really looked after me pricewise. Thanks Doug.
 cheers pancho.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on September 13, 2012, 09:56:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3HlG6QpRrY&feature=related
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: EML on September 13, 2012, 12:09:02 pm
Have had a photo album dropped here at work with pics from Brisbane sidecar speedway in the early 70's. It belongs to a local named Jimmy Rienke and has some great shots in it-not sure how to get them up on here tho.
Anyone is welcome to contact me if they want to look or get some copies.
Plenty of Nortons, Triumphs, Vincents et al and even some two stroke stuff.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Doggy Digger on September 13, 2012, 02:52:51 pm
Rick WASON just sent me this.  He thinks it's Bert FLOOD at Wangaratta.
"The motor is a Bultaco 350cc bored out to 400cc and was the bike that Phil Crump rode at Romsey."

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: EML on September 13, 2012, 02:54:48 pm
Worlds biggest fastest expansion chamber right there.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2012, 02:55:05 pm
Scan it
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on September 13, 2012, 05:09:52 pm
Cowboy Bob Sharp, sadly only recently passed away.

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Doggy Digger on September 14, 2012, 03:52:11 am
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on January 31, 2013, 01:21:29 pm
http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/index.html
bump  :)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on February 08, 2013, 07:53:26 pm
This is a beauty, they're both still great mates.
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on February 08, 2013, 07:55:51 pm
Not a who but a what.
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on February 08, 2013, 08:01:44 pm
Dunno who but an awesome shot, looks like the old Syd Sports Ground to me.
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: EML on February 09, 2013, 01:50:26 pm
That's one for the bar room wall for sure. 8)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Hoony on February 09, 2013, 04:10:59 pm
you could nearly throw a blanket over those 4 riders they are so close, what a great shot.
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: kwakatriple on March 07, 2013, 08:31:27 am
I am new to this and trying to work out how to put some images on here, any clues?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: GD66 on March 07, 2013, 09:26:26 am
Go to the top of the intro page and have a peek at the "Tips for using the Forum" thread.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX247 on March 08, 2013, 09:40:20 am
Legend Jap454.......Happy Birthday  ;D   :-*
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Purple Dave on March 08, 2013, 07:28:29 pm
Happy Birthday Foss  :D..........I just discovered this thread today..........Here's a few pics from my Father's collection.......from the late 50's until it was closed down by THE YUPPIES.......I HATE YUPPIES !!! >:( >:(........I was captivated by Fabulous nights at the Sydney Showground Speedway Royale.......No other track had that Atmosphere........I think part of it was the EXTREME DANGER of the track......What a Place !!!

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Purple Dave on March 08, 2013, 07:32:08 pm
The Great Lionel Van Praag practicing at the Sports Ground...........his son Barry was a member of my Sydney club, Central....

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Purple Dave on March 08, 2013, 07:38:44 pm
I spannered a few times for my mate Ricky Day at the Royale in the early 70's and I never saw a more professional rider than Mr Magic.......He gets my vote as the best rider I ever saw at The Sydney Showground..... :o ;D :o ;D

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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: pancho on March 09, 2013, 08:53:23 am
 Many more happies Foss!
pancho.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on March 09, 2013, 09:49:08 am
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I spannered a few times for my mate Ricky Day at the Royale in the early 70's and I never saw a more professional rider than Mr Magic.......He gets my vote as the best rider I ever saw at The Sydney Showground.....     

Ricky Day was a one track specialist. While he was always at the pointy end at the Showground, he was "just another rider" at other tracks. As good as Ricky was at the "Showy", Jim Airey gets my vote as the best, at one stage during the late 1960s Airey won 33 consecutive scratch races at the Showground, something never matched by any other rider.  My mate Chris Ellis owns the very ESO on which Airey held the lap record for many years. This is the bike that had been fitted with Hilborn/McGee fuel injection, the mount for the Hilborn fuel pump off the cam drive still on the bike. Chris also owns the Jawa Geoff Curtis was killed on at the Showground in 1973....the last person killed there I believe.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 10:45:40 am
I'm pretty sure Dave's vote is for Jim Airey as well Firko, as he is mine.
Yes GC was the last person killed at the Royale.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on March 09, 2013, 12:26:09 pm
Correctomundo Steve, I misread Dave's post. Ironically it was Ricky Day that broke Aireys 11 year old 2 lap record of 38.2 seconds when he did a flat 38 seconds. One of the worst kept secrets was that Airey allegedly ran a high Nitro dose in the ESO the night he broke the record. John Langfield and Airey joked about the use of nitromethane in front of a lot of people including Jonesy, Cec Platt and I at a post Bathurst Long Track piss up in the early 90's. While Airey didn't actually admit that the record was done on nitro, Langy outed him pretty thoroughly and they both laughed about it, Airey not taking to oppportunity to deny.

The use of the hybrid McGee/Hilborn fuel injection gives a hint to the fuel used. Those early mechanical fuel injection setups were developed almost specifically for drag racing where throttle control isn't a priority, it's either full on or nothing. If it was a great idea, other riders would have used it. While the standard Amal or Bing speedway carb can handle nitro doses up to about 50% or maybe even less, the fuel injections force fed mechanical pump allowed for huge top fueler type doses of 90%+. The fact that the record lasted well into the 4 valve era-11 years in fact has no equivalent in motorsport.

I'm in no way denigrating Jim Airey's amazing talent and his domination of the Sydney Showground in the pre Billy Sanders era, I'm merely questioning that particular ride for that particular record on that particular night. Airey wasn't the first to allegedly use Nitro and he wasn't the last. I've also heard of another NSW based racer using the even more volatile and dangerous Hydrazine on more than a couple of occasions. While there might be a bit of "fuel fudging" today, the checks and balances are far more stringent at the top level, making it far more difficult to get away with it.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: VMX60 on March 09, 2013, 01:13:35 pm
Standing in the bull pen at the showgrounds EYES watering as the bikes warmed up think this was the home of POP/NITRO IN THE 2 VALVE DAYS

First time ride over their from the WEST Fuc#############  we did not pack enough POP  :D  :D  :D

The old days of no one runs that stuff 
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 03:28:24 pm
Tricky Ricky certainly knew the fast way around the old Showground, if he won the start he could beat anyone. Ricky is probably the most unasuming Speedway rider I've ever met and that was his downfall on other tracks, he lacked that little bit of mongrel that every leading rider has.
Now there's a fact I never knew, Barry VanPraag was a member of my old club Central, he's yet another rider who's career was sadly cut short at the Showground, the very next meeting after GC's fatal crash Barry ended up in a wheelchair. 
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on March 09, 2013, 04:03:12 pm
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the very next meeting after GC's fatal crash Barry ended up in a wheelchair.
The first time I med Barry Van Praag was at a Kembla Grange meeting in the early 70's when I was there spannering for my mate the late Sam Wilde at his first speedway meeting and Barry was pitted next to us. He stood out at the time because of his famous name and because he was riding a Triumph twin in a JAP frame, a very odd combo for speedway. A few years after his Showground accident Barry's carers had become a bit thin on the ground so Sam started to take Barry to the speedway and motocross races, shopping, the pub and just about everywhere,  becoming almost his fulltime carer. Unfortunately they had a falling out many years later and Barry died not long after. I got to know Barry reasonably well and once you got past the initial grumpiness caused by the frustration that being a quadraplegic must bring he was a genuinely nice bloke. I used to get a laugh out of him by telling him that I could well have been his cousin if history had taken a different course.

In the late 30's my Aunty Grace went out with Lionel Van Praag for quite a while and eventually he wanted to marry her. Dear old Aunty told him that, yes she would marry him but only if he "stopped mucking around with motorcycles and got a proper job". Thankfully for Aussie speedway history and unluckily for my Aunty he took option B and decided to stick with motorcycles. Gracie went on to marry my Uncle Frank, a good honest carpenter, produced two Rugby playing sons and lived a happy and fullfilling life 'til she was 98. Lionel married a girl who liked motorcycles and all that went with them and the rest, as they say, is history. ;)
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 05:33:13 pm
As for the use of Nitro, at that time every top rider was on it, pretty similar on Short Circuit.
It was the same when Crumpy turned up with the Streety, everyone wanted one, Ole was the last person to win the world title on a 2 Valver, can't recall the year, 75/76 maybe.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Purple Dave on March 09, 2013, 06:01:29 pm
Slides........Trevor Hunter never goes anywhere without his little bottle of Nitro...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 07:00:04 pm
G'day Dave, that's his hip flask, more likely to be the drinkable version for TH but he's cut back in recent times and good on him, I couldn't keep up with him and I drink too much. Trev relied more on cubic capacity although I'm sure he would've dabbled with the chemistry kit at some stage.
I hope he don't see this because he give me a bollocking.
Buckett, mum's the word.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on March 09, 2013, 07:35:49 pm
Nobody's mentioned the veritible Elephant in the Room.......John Langfield ran 'em on nitro or ran them as bigguns or biggun's on Nitro. The dodgiest man to ever throw a leg over a speedway bike.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 09:26:00 pm
First time I've heard Langy described as an Elephant. ;D
Honestly I've never heard talk of Langy being on the juice but given the era he rode in and his reputation for everything else I wouldn't be surprised.
Langy has blocked more punch's with his head than anyone I've ever known.
Having said all that, he has always been and is still heavily involved in the sport, over the last few years that I've come back into the sport I've noticed that there are more critics than there are doer's.
I take my hat off to him and others like our own legend Foss, two very different personalities but have remained involved.
If you want to avoid controversy then say nothing.
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Post by: JAP 454 on March 09, 2013, 10:18:08 pm
The Nitro and Pop scene !!, I used to get mine off a well known speedway sidecar rider, well, his mechanic actually, and a lot of people I knew also experimented with both. All I can say is that a Biggun on Nitro or Pop would rip ya bloody arms off !! and errr, disintegrate motors if ya tipped the can too much !!!
Foss
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Post by: 80-85 husky on March 09, 2013, 10:30:29 pm
I watched Boocock at Bendigo years ago on the RD (RZ?) 350 twin hose off all the opposition easily.

A good mate of mine is Dave English & he rode for Cled Davies for a year or two. He still has his weslake but he doesnt fancy testing the wall with it lately.. he is getting smarter in his old age...

Another mate of mine  is curly Robbins who ran a kwaka nine speedway outfit in the early 80's and some may remember a fateful day at Wangaratta when he and pete boys on the chair spun out and hit the water tank and sent both of em 50 feet in the air... pretty speccy bingle that one...

There is still persistent rumbling to get the bendigo track operational again, a deal to buy 2Km of conveyor belting nearly went ahead a few years ago which is all that is needed (apparently)to get it to pass (and 500,000,000 tec screws)
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Post by: Curly3 on March 09, 2013, 10:33:03 pm
One of my favourite Short Circuit stories is about 2 all time SC legends.
One staying at the others house during an OZ title meeting.
One desperately trying to stay awake longer than his guest so he could get out in the shed to mix his " Juice " for the next days racing, only the guest wanted to kick on, true story and nuff said.
Might explain a few of the results.
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Post by: pancho on March 10, 2013, 08:32:26 pm
 Whatever Jim was running in his machine at the showground on his first ride after comming home from the 'old dart' didn't matter to me, that man had gutz. Each lap he came down the so-called straight I was thinking HE CANT GET ROUND the next turn! But he just kept doing it!

 Back at Nepean late 70s I was lined up for the second heat of the senior A behind the first heat starters and could hardly breathe! I said that back in the pits after my heat and someone said "what do expect , you were lined up behind Langy"!
cheers.
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Post by: kwakatriple on March 12, 2013, 08:33:57 am
first shot at putting photo on

Bendigo, mid 70's

Terry Rooney & Ian Treloar

(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/kwakatriple/terryampian_zps0dadbd6a.jpg)
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Post by: Rosco86 on March 12, 2013, 07:33:23 pm
The"Beast" Ian Treloar was a mate of mine and after he climbed off the back with Terry rode a couple of my solos doing very well for himself at the big Bendigo track. A quiet madman who showed little fear. Got into quite a bit of strife one day when he had a solo cranked right up on his Dad 's practice trotting track ( was a very good trainer with many Inter-Dominion pacers) and didn't see his dad out there with the horses. Scared the shit out of them and then dad did the same to the Beast. Can remember him losing his licence for going past the cop car in the main drag of Bendigo on the back wheel of a TT 500 yammy. He swung quite a few times for Peter Tolley when Ray Angier branched out as a driver, then John Lewis climbed back on board after some mx years on a bulty. Probably a bloke who could/ should have achieved much more, but the 70s were smoky, heady days if you get my drift
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Post by: Wayne Bennie on March 12, 2013, 10:35:34 pm
Great image Travis. My first time at the skids when I was about 16 I watched your dad wheel that bike out of the pit gate at Brooklyn and instantly fell in love with it and  H2's. I now own four h2 road bikes and don't think I will ever get them out of my system !! I was lucky enough to swing on one at Avalon one night .So light and fast. If you have more images I would love to see them.
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Post by: kwakatriple on March 13, 2013, 08:26:15 am
Rosco, Ian still lives at the same place, he has recently done a bit of riding classic sidecars with SSRAV. this is a photo with him as passenger with me riding at Broadford about 5 years ago. David Cottrell had built the bike around the same time he started building and buying up the vincent outfits.

Wayne, i too for obvious reasons are a big fan of the kawasaki triple, I now have the sidecar, but have not had too much oppotunity to ride it due to work commitments
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/kwakatriple/travampian1_zpsf837c8e3.jpg)
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Post by: Rosco86 on March 13, 2013, 07:55:59 pm
Hi Travis, when I started racing solos at Brooklyn in Melboune, Terry was the king of the sidecars and would always look forward to seeing him battle Taylor on the tz700. The change over from the big HRDs to the strokes meant that the older boys like jack walker, John Heaviside and Lloyd Crundell couldn't stick with him and on the bigger tracks like Bendigo and Romsey his pace was blistering. In solos Johnny Dewhurst was handing the mantle to Danny Kennedy. Peter Tolley and John Lewis lived just around the corner and Peter helped me out doing some sweet motor work on my jawa. He sold his little triumph and hrd to build a water bottle as did Doug Cotterell. Peter showed me how to swing on the hrd but when I tried racing with another newby on a water bottle at Bendigo and going arse up 3 times it was back to my solos. Caught up with Peter last year and he showed me the nice little triumph he built for the classics and Tim on here had posted some good photos of it and Doug Cotteralls 2 valve jawa sidecar. Was very tempted to have a dip at the water bottle that was on eBay a while back but neither of the sons would take up the offer to swing. Their loss, that just don't have the faith in us old wobblers. Great memories of the sidecar boys, still a great class today much undervalued by MA and particularly the FIM. Maybe our paths will cross when I visit vic.
Rosco
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: 80-85 husky on March 14, 2013, 08:54:03 pm
where are u located Rosco?
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Rosco86 on March 14, 2013, 09:33:34 pm
Reside in Brisvegas now after the last decade in Mackay.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 19, 2013, 09:39:19 pm
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2zhh1s5.jpg)
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Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: Curly3 on March 23, 2013, 10:58:38 pm
This photo was taken at Liverpool around 78-9, the lady in the front is Meg Nay who had a huge involvement in Speedway in & around SYD.
I can name a few of the others including Dave Mills with the Villawood vest on who is still heavily involved in the sport today, Jim Airey with his hand on Meg's shoulder.
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Post by: Curly3 on March 23, 2013, 11:56:34 pm
And a well known Freddie Mercury impersonator before he grew the tash, also in the front row. ;D
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Post by: Curly3 on March 24, 2013, 08:29:54 am
Can anyone name this Brittish World Champion?
Stay stum Foss.
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Post by: JAP 454 on March 24, 2013, 08:56:51 am
Righty'ho Old Chap, SCHTUM it is !!
Foss
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: jimg1au on March 24, 2013, 10:12:05 am
could it be peter collins
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: GD66 on March 24, 2013, 10:26:01 am
Arthur Sheene's nephew...
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on March 24, 2013, 10:40:18 am
I think the duck on his hat gives it away ::).
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Post by: EML on March 25, 2013, 11:34:11 am
Never seen him with bars that wide before....???? :D
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Post by: SlideRulz on June 16, 2013, 07:00:24 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rca3dk.jpg)
Speedway time stood still, love it.
Title: Re: Who's who of Speedway past
Post by: firko on June 16, 2013, 08:25:36 pm
Great photo Steve but todays lane girls have a slight edge
                                                                                         (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/speedwaygals_zpsa073b611.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/speedwaygals_zpsa073b611.jpg.html)
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Post by: SlideRulz on June 16, 2013, 09:02:47 pm
I'm with you Mark but we're in the 2010's & some prefer sailors.
Not that there's anything wrong with that?????
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Post by: VMX247 on February 19, 2017, 02:26:04 pm
What a great night listening to the 78yr old Tony Trump UK born, telling us of South Australia's triangle of Speedway series events. Rowley Park, Port Pirie and Morgan Mile.

Rockhampton in the far north...http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/rockhampton-bouldercombe-speedway.html

The travels and tales of being a UK rider out for a few race seasons to take on the Aussies in the late 50's.

I was skipper for the evening,so got to take it all.
So many belly laughs listening to the days gone by. What a superb era.
cheers South West WA