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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: BAHNZY on April 18, 2010, 03:57:32 pm
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As I was not at the Nationals, I was curious as to the specification of bikes belonging to the riders listed below, what bikes are twin shock (i.e. EVO based) bikes as apart from a linkage rear suspended bike?
111 - ?
342 - ?
141 - ?
157 - ?
48 - ?
54 - ?
999 - ?
857 - ?
51 - ?
82 - ?
43a - ?
314 - ?
65 - ?
152 - ?
26 - ?
23 - ?
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999= Blinged up '82 CR480.
152 = would have been the Maico-esque 4-stroke (JFS? JBS?), I think.
157 = Some sort of Honda, not his usual Maico.
Well, its a start at least...
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simons was a twin shock with a real sr500 look unsure of exact details of the bike but was twinshock
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Thus Far,
111 - (Twin Shock)
342 -
141 -
157 -
48 - (If he was riding the KTM 501 = Linkage)
54 -
999 - (Linkage)
857 -
51 - (Usual ride is a RM500 = Linkage)
82 -
43a -
314 -
65 - (Usual ride is a RM400 = Twinshock)
152 -
26 -
23 - (Usual ride is a RM400 = Twinshock)
TWINSHOCK = 3
LINKAGE = 3
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Okay, that is all you want to know. Tony Cavel is twin shock.
I think Simon Healy rode pre 85 as well.
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Went back and re-read my original post, if i had 1/2 a brain i'd be dangerous.
The list was the finishing order for the Pre85 class. What i would like to know is how many;
EVOLUTION (or) EVOLUTION based bikes contested the PRE85 class.
Sorry Guys ???
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Gav Pengelly - # 342
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/TeeBone33/DSCN1524.jpg?t=1271585632)
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OK help me out here. :-\
I thought twin shock was an American word for two of those things hitt'n ya from behind..bit like 2T and 4T...
What year did the twin shock bit come in ???
cheers
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OK help me out here. :-\
I thought twin shock was an American word for two of those things hitt'n ya from behind..bit like 2T and 4T...
What year did the twin shock bit come in ???
cheers
I thought it was UK thing.Interestingly enough the statisics show 100% twin forks!
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Interestingly enough the statisics show 100% twin forks!
No Brent, not quite....
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/VMX-Nats-2010--012B.jpg)
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Damn! how about twin footpegs?
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Thus Far,
111 - (Twin Shock)
342 - (CR480 = Linkage)
141 -
157 - (Twin Shock)
48 - (If he was riding the KTM 501 = Linkage)
54 -
999 - (Linkage)
857 -
51 - (Usual ride is a RM500 = Linkage)
82 -
43a -
314 -
65 - (Usual ride is a RM400 = Twinshock)
152 - (Twin Shock)
26 -
23 - (Usual ride is a RM400 = Twinshock)
TWINSHOCK = 5
LINKAGE = 4
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Was Simon Healy the guy on the KX250/KDX400 hybrid?
What was Martin Russel actually riding?
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157 was linkage it was a 83 480
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If I have linkage front end and 2 shocks what does that make it
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........ a challenge to ride.
;D
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If I have linkage front end and 2 shocks what does that make it
I think it makes you a cheat ;D
Clearly taking advantage of srutineers that must have turned a blind eye.
If it has linkage suspension then you should have raced it in Pre 85 ::)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/VMX-Nats-2010--012B.jpg)
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Damn! how about twin footpegs?
Their was someone riding the 09 Nationals with a single footpeg,
Until I welded the other one back on for him.
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The funny thing GMC that there was a lot of bikes with only one foot peg both our xl350s smashed the footpegs off and they arent welded they are bolted on the track conditions for the pre 75 and older bikes left a bit to the imagination very rutty indeed.
I noticed in the pit area a lot of pegs, gear levers,brake levers and under pipes that come off second best to the track..
Cheers
fatboy
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Bahnsy,
1983 RM500 was Shayne Saliba's mount.
FDR
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And again,
111 - (Twin Shock)
342 - (CR480 = Linkage)
141 -
157 - (CR480 = Linkage)
48 - (If he was riding the KTM 501 = Linkage)
54 -
999 - (CR480 = Linkage)
857 -
51 - (Usual ride is a RM500 = Linkage)
82 -
43a -
314 -
65 - (Usual ride is a RM400 = Twinshock)
152 -
26 -
23 - (RM500 = Linkage)
TWINSHOCK = 3
LINKAGE = 5
TBA = 8
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#141 is Peter Bowens kid on one of his evo maico's.
#314 corey wilson was on a full floater
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#314 corey wilso was on a floater
"Floater" as in Full Floater RM456/RM500?
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Ok Rod, what is the point of your question? One of the reasons I didn't ride the event was that I ony had 1 bike going and it's an '82 430 Husky, EVO class. The GCR's stated that you weren't allowed to ride a class up (pre'85) so I stayed home as $185 entry for being there 3 days for 3 x 3 lap races was a tad hard to swallow for me. I simply can't cope with eligibility BS and didn't want any hassles. Simons hybrid bike is not legal for EVO, so is a legit pre'85 bike and that's where he rides it, but it seems that you were indeed allowed to ride a class up looking at the EVO bikes in the pre'85 class.
Cheers,
K
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I can't see anything wrong with riding an Evo bike in the Pre '85 class as long as you're not riding the same bike in the Evo race as well.
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that is the only point that needs to be made, well said JohnnyO
now back to annoying Honda riders
Cheers T'rev, Worms
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Mick,
My question is simple, I would like to know how many "in the spirit of the era" pre85 bikes actually rode the pre85 class vs evo based bikes that essentially rode up a class. Other than the entrants name to help identify the bike, the query has no relevance to any specific individual.
However it begs the question, what's the relevance of the evo class at a national event when 50% of the bikes entered in the pre85 class are evo based machines and compete rather well against them.
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There was a pre 78 125 racing in evo as well on the same bike and doing well till it expired in the last race ( Nick Smith).
Rider 80%, bike 20%. There seems to be this thing that if an earlier model bike places in front of a later model bike, then its some fantastic bike that the owner is lucky to have.
My opinion is that they should be separate but there would have been bugger all in the race if it wasn't for the evo's being in there. It was a small enough field as it was.
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easy fixed bring back pre80 class and no evo
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Pre 80 pushes a lot of twin shock bikes out. I don't see the value of that. Would there also be a pre 78 class? Or does pre 80 start at the '75 models?
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pre 78 class is a class on there own,apre 75 cannot compete in that class.as for the twin shock bikes being pushed out of pre 80 class you should do as most do pick a class you wish to ride and buy the bike to suit.
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Why can’t you ride the same bike in two classes if you ride up. What’s wrong with an early 80s Husky in both EVO and Pre 85, since technically it fits in both.
Is it a "grassy knoll” conspiracy against people being able to have fun, get extra riding time, filling out starting grids, and only have to maintain one bike?
Or is there a valid reason other than a jack arse MA thing?
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The point being that the next group/era is pre 85 which is prominently single shock, front disc, water cooled bikes. I think the exceptions (e.g Husky) can still run evo.
Evo is the same as twin shock in the U.K .and Ultima in the U.S.
Is there a pre 80 in another country that you know of?Why can’t you ride the same bike in two classes if you ride up. What’s wrong with an early 80s Husky in both EVO and Pre 85, since technically it fits in both.
Is it a "grassy knoll” conspiracy against people being able to have fun, get extra riding time, filling out starting grids, and only have to maintain one bike?
Or is there a valid reason other than a jack arse MA thing?
In my opinion there is . This is era racing and each era show cases what we were riding then. Other wise we would have all ins .
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brad can you tell me the reason that a pre 75 cannot go into pre 78 but a pre78 can go into evo
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Fair question Rudy and one I have asked? If I owned a 1984 CR500 Husky, it's both a legit pre'85 and EVO being air cooled, drum brake and twin shock. However at a National event I can only ride it in one of those classes, not both. As a rider I wouldn't care if I was beaten by an earlier class bike, hats off to the rider, and as a spectator I also wouldn't care, just glad to see full grids of old bikes. The dwindling numbers at the nationals is an indication of the need for some changes. The grids should be full but the current rules play a fair part in them not being so IMO. I have a heap of bikes, but would prefer to only have 1 bike to race (that being '77 CR390 Husky) and the classes I would want to race are pre'78 & EVO, maybe pre'85 if I'm feeling fit. The current rules do not allow it, it has to be contributing to low entries.
K
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easy fixed bring back pre80 class and no evo
Excellent idea GDR
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My opinion is that they should be separate but there would have been bugger all in the race if it wasn't for the evo's being in there. It was a small enough field as it was.
If the Pre85 class needs Evolution to prop it up (at any level) then there is some soul searching that needs to be done. Pre85 has been with the VMX movement for some time and it appears to be rather stagnant as far as rider numbers. (from what i have seen)
Additionally where does it leave Pre90 for the people that are pushing the point on this class as there are parallels that can then be drawn with the Pre85/Evo situation. When last i re-searched this at a Victorian State level, 50% - 70% of the Pre90 class where Pre85 bikes.
My personal opinion only.
If i was at a National or State title event and the announcer came across saying that the Open Class Pre85 bikes were lined up ready to race, I would expect to go to the fence to watch a field of CR450/480, KX500, RM465/500, YZ490's racing, not a grid that included non-linkage Evolution machines.
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brad can you tell me the reason that a pre 75 cannot go into pre 78 but a pre78 can go into evo
I think its because specific rules were written for pre 75 but not for other classes.
Fair question Rudy and one I have asked? If I owned a 1984 CR500 Husky, it's both a legit pre'85 and EVO being air cooled, drum brake and twin shock. However at a National event I can only ride it in one of those classes, not both. As a rider I wouldn't care if I was beaten by an earlier class bike, hats off to the rider, and as a spectator I also wouldn't care, just glad to see full grids of old bikes. The dwindling numbers at the nationals is an indication of the need for some changes. The grids should be full but the current rules play a fair part in them not being so IMO. I have a heap of bikes, but would prefer to only have 1 bike to race (that being '77 CR390 Husky) and the classes I would want to race are pre'78 & EVO, maybe pre'85 if I'm feeling fit. The current rules do not allow it, it has to be contributing to low entries.
K
I think having a Husky you can pick either but agree not both. Again imo. I would have to say that low entries were not due to the rules though K. Evo and pre 85 numbers are usually the biggest fields. As this topic is relating to the nats just gone, the vic's simply didn't turn up. There would have to be as many if not more bikes in Vic than QLD (not facts, just assumptions)?
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brad can you tell me the reason that a pre 75 cannot go into pre 78 but a pre78 can go into evo.
Sorry to jump over Brad, but it is simply that way that the GCR's are written. It can be the same for the Pre78, Evolution & Pre85 if it was ammended within the GCR's.
The current rules do not allow it, it has to be contributing to low entries.
Mick not exactly. It is only the Supp Regs to the GCR's at a National Title level that push it.
At a state level, VIPER, Heaven etc its not the case.
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I am pretty 'into' this type of discussion as you can see ::)
To Conondale bash a bit, the fields were huge for both there Bahnsy and it was the spectacle you would imagine.
Not knowing where the other states are at, but evo upwards are going great in QVMX.
My personal opinion only.
If i was at a National or State title event and the announcer came across saying that the Open Class Pre85 bikes were lined up ready to race, I would expect to go to the fence to watch a field of CR450/480, KX500, RM465/500, YZ490's racing, not a grid that included non-linkage Evolution machines.
That is really what the rule makers set out to do. Era racing. A time capsule of an era when you were racing.
I think if you are only prepared to prep, pay, afford, be bothered to ride/take one bike...then that is all you should ride. One bike, one class. I had six bikes entered and one failed. The prep and logistics was huge ( trying to make a point, not toot my own horn as it looks),but that is what I was prepared to do. I never complain about how much track time I get :D. I also got a bit of value for money re entry fee.
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We've been through all this shit before, you guys need to move on and get over it.. Pre 80 is gone.
Victoria is the only place in the world that had pre '80 racing.
The Evo class is big in the US and was adopted in Australia in '97.
In England it's called Twinshock and is the same rules as Evo.
The Evo format is perfect and all the bikes are of very similar performance..
Sounds like it was the pre 85 class that struggled at the Nats but you're bashing the Evo class. WTF??
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i think the only problem is that the Vic 's didnt support the titles as other states have done in the past, whear you have to qualify for your grid spot, and the arguement is bullshit about entering 1 bike in multipule class's, under the gcr's as they stand you can enter a Pre 70 in Pre 85, no worries, so is this what was intented by the GCR's, NO. as john said whats the point of having class's at all if we dont showcase era's.
how many times do we have to go over this, ride the gcr's as they are intended, not how you interperit them.
why cant you just ride your era, that's what i thought the sport was all about
Cheers Trev, yes the local idiot Worms!
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I have been corrected that it is pre 78 that you can't ride up in. Mmm, my pre 65 in evo.....sounds like fun....
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Please show me in the GCR's where it states that I can only enter one bike in one class.
Pretty please? :-\
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I think you know the answer. That is why this discussion comes up all of the time. Hence the word 'intended'.
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To clear up some things my KX500 is NOT evo i have built this bike to race pre85 as it has a KX500 motor in it and works SR500 disc brake front end as i like this bike to ride i have spent the thousands of dollars on the 84 kx500 and did not like the bike as much so i built the bike i wanted to ride if it had a drum brake front end in it then you would say its not evo legit witch it is not i know buy it seems to me that you have a problem with my bike bahnsy as this post indicates this but no one has said it up front if that is the case maybe you should have been on the start gate at the titles to make up the pre85 class numbers as i was with 2 bikes and did not ride up a class by the way there was not 50% evo bike in pre85 there were 4 and one of them was in the wrong class by his mistake
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There is the catch, as MA has said it is the intention of the GCR's and the clubs have the right to enforce it, but here is the second catch, it comes down to the appointed steward of the event to decide how the intent is meant, MA will not direct the steward on this, so there you have it, on any given day as the gcr's stand a pre 60 bike can ride in pre 85 but at our club it is in our supp regs that all bikes will be era based, so you cant do this and more clubs should follow suit to protect our sport from the handbook nazi's.
the Clubs have the power to keep comon sense at grass roots level! so winge away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers Trev, worms
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Sounds like it was the pre 85 class that struggled at the Nats but you're bashing the Evo class. WTF??
JohnnyO,
We must be reading different replies. I don't see where there is EVO bashing.
I think that maybe there is some confusion as some see EVO as an era, but in Australia at the moment it represents nothing more than a bike specification. Classes up to and including Pre78 clearly define an era as outlined in the GCR's. When you get to EVO & Pre85 there is not the same definition, hence the request to understand what the break up of the class for open Pre85 was.
And a slight correction
USA AHRMA
Gran Prix - Loosely equals Evolution
Ultima - Similar to Pre85
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CLASSES
Note: All classes are further divided into Novice, Intermediate and Expert rider ability levels.
bullet Historic 125: Certain 125cc and smaller motorcycles built up to and including the 1977 model year as the first-generation of long-travel machines.
bullet Historic 250: Certain 126-250cc motorcycles built up to and including the 1977 model year as the first-generation of long-travel machines.
bullet Historic 500: Certain 325-460cc two-strokes and four-strokes up to 636cc built up to and including the 1977 model year as the first-generation of long-travel machines.
bullet Historic Four-Stroke: Certain four-stroke machines built up to and including the 1978 model year with up to 636cc. Overhead cam machines are limited to 500cc.
bullet Gran Prix 125: Certain post-1977 motorcycles up to 125cc.
bullet Gran Prix 250: Certain post-1977 motorcycles 126-250cc.
bullet Gran Prix 500: Certain post-1977 motorcycles 325-500cc two-stroke and up to 580cc four-stroke.
bullet Gran Prix Four-Stroke: Certain 185-580cc four-stroke motorcycles that came just after the Historic Four-Stroke period.
bullet Ultima 125: Certain motorcycles up to 125cc that do not have disc brakes or power-valve type mechanism built directly into the engine.
bullet Ultima 250: Certain 126-250cc motorcycles that do not have disc brakes or power-valve type mechanism built directly into the engine.
bullet Ultima 500: Certain 325-580cc motorcycles that do not have disc brakes or power-valve type mechanism built directly into the engine.
bullet Ultima Four-Stroke: Certain 200-580cc four-strokes that were produced either with a single-shock rear suspension or a newer engine technology.
bullet Open Age: Any AHRMA-eligible rider on any eligible machine.
bullet +40: Riders over age 40 on any eligible machine.
bullet +50: Riders over age 50 on any eligible machine.
bullet +60: Riders over age 60 on any eligible machine.
bullet Women: Female riders on any eligible machine.
This is where I read Ultima.
http://www.ahrma.org/Post-Vintage_Motocross.htm (http://www.ahrma.org/Post-Vintage_Motocross.htm)
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The question was to simply understand what the breakdown of EVO vs. Pre85 bikes was, there has been NO discussion at all about a KX500 or for that matter any riders individual machine other than to understand what the bike was so why would conspiracy theory’s be bought to the table.
I was scheduled to go to the Nationals, but unfortunately hospitals and funeral parlours took precedence. I managed Viper Round 1 (which was awesome) and the Broadford Bonanza but couldn't get to the NATS, my loss. Even if I did it would have been on the 125 not the 500 as I was told in no uncertain terms that if I bought the KX500 I would have been told to leave it on the trailer.
Now I understand that 4 of the 16 machines (25%) in the Pre85 class were Evo bikes.
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Please show me in the GCR's where it states that I can only enter one bike in one class.
Pretty please? :-\
Rosco,
There is nothing in the GCR's, it is provided to the riders in the Supplementary Regulations that are supplied with the entry form.
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In the US there is another Vintage MX series run by U.S. VMX.. The Evo class came from there.
Geoff Ballard and a couple of others with the help of Rick Doughty from Vintage Iron adopted the US Evo rules for the Thumper Nats in '97.
Google USVMX and you'll see.
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Okay. Shows how little I know about vintage in the U.S. I just googled Ahrma and found that one. We feel lucky that we have two clubs to race with and they have two associations!
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hey Brad, you missed the class for closet Yamaha riders ;D
Cheers trev
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we had huge fields in evo and pre 85
at conondale nats last year all classes
the guys who did ride in pre 85 on twin shock bikes
didnt ride same bike in evo
eg: geoff ballard maico for evo, maico for pre 85. 2 bikes
also if i race at national with my pre 85 bike i cant ride up :'(
if you want 2 races on one bike take a spare barrel diff capacity
bolt it on between motos ;)
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Thats right there was no discucion about a kx500 but your post has asked the question and as there were only a couple of twin shock bikes in pre85 and the way this post has gone what are the twin shock bike riders supose to think have a look from the outside in and read your posts about this as if you were one of the riders on a twinshock it looks like the conspiracy is against the twinshock bikes
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Okay. Shows how little I know about vintage in the U.S. I just googled Ahrma and found that one. We feel lucky that we have two clubs to race with and they have two associations!
Think about AHRMA as being Motorcycling Australia and USVMX as Heaven or VIPER etc.
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OK (picking up cat)... if numbers are down, should we start talking about pre 90 (throwing said cat amonst pigeons)?
They are 20 years old after all.
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:o :o :o :o ;)
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Bemused to say the least. I think the cat was thrown into the coop some posts back.
The Evo riders have done nothing wrong, infact i would do the same thing as the rules are written in such a way that allows this to occur. There has been and will be no slur on any Evo rider for riding in Pre85 from me so please don't imply that i have. Again all that i have asked was the number of Evo bikes in the Pre85 class - Period.
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keep up the good work Rudy, the Vics might get enough for a all in grid from pre 60 to pre 90 as some just dont get it with the term "ERA", or the word spirit for that matter
Cheers Trev
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trev what is your problem with victoria as you dont seem to like us much
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sorry , I luv you guys ;D
maybe it's all to do with the Storm.
the sooner we get rid of the states bodies and form the Classic Motorcross Assc and work direct with MA the better, i will throw my hat in the ring for the top job,
Cheers trev
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sorry , I luv you guys ;D
maybe it's all to do with the Storm.
the sooner we get rid of the states bodies and form the Classic Motorcross Assc and work direct with MA the better, i will throw my hat in the ring for the top job,
Cheers trev
Hello , we already have Classic Motocross under the jurisdiction of Motorcyling Australia and the G.C.R's for the running of "The Nats" .As well both the VCM series and VIPER series 's in Victoria are afilliated with the MA and run class'es according to the G.C.R's.It may not suit everyones tastes but its effective.
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keep up the good work Rudy, the Vics might get enough for a all in grid from pre 60 to pre 90 as some just dont get it with the term "ERA", or the word spirit for that matter
Cheers Trev
One example of an "Era" is the golden era of Mister Motocross in the beginning of the 80's when Gall,Beetle Bailey,Benson, and co rode their Yamaha's ,Huskies and Maico's which were of a design that we now call "evolution" againts Gunter,Williams,Vaughn Style,Greg Cady and Peter Carney on their single shock linkaged bikes.
Yer I remember those days- awesome ;)
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great , but would it be better to have one body for VMX, Australia wide.
Sorry the thread has changed , and i will leave it at that.
Cheers trev
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Thats usually dirrected towards me......long live the Alamo.. ;D..... while where on the subject of Mehican's,you blokes been caught cheating again (Melborne Storm Rugby leauge team)....f#@k, is there no depth you wont go to?..... Oh well, start another shitfight......better than the Sideshow (car) crap and this going on.....grow up, get a life, and some commonsence..... where all doing this sport cause we love it, we have a set of rules which are pretty simple to follow... without the rules we wouldnt have our sport.... infact every sport has a set of rules, its not rocket science, but some of you dumb-arses just dont get it?? do ya.....now lets all talk about what veges where gonna plant in the garden for winter....much more interedting than going over the same shit time after time.... have a nice day (Im off to plant some cabbages) ;D
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So what makes an “Era” ?
Pre 78, Pre 85 etc are defined by the years.
Evo is defined by 3 simple criteria.
I agree that you shouldn’t be able to ride up a class and should stay within your era.
But if any bike meets the Evo criteria then it is within its Era.
If a bike is eligible to ride in both Evo & Pre 85 then it seems like the hand book Nazis rule if you need to have 2 bikes, that could be identical, to ride in both classes.
At the end of the day it’s better that the organizing club has the right to decide
I think there were many reasons for the low entries, I don’t see the rules as one of them
I also think the same applies to the Pre 75 4 stroke class.
If a four stroke rides in this class and the normal capacity class is this considered riding up a class.
Heaven forbid if some one should sneak in an extra ride with only one bike.
And just to keep the thread going I say bring in the Pre 2000 class
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One example of an "Era" is the golden era of Mister Motocross in the beginning of the 80's when Gall,Beetle Bailey,Benson, and co rode their Yamaha's ,Huskies and Maico's which were of a design that we now call "evolution" againts Gunter,Williams,Vaughn Style,Greg Cady and Peter Carney on their single shock linkaged bikes.
Yer I remember those days- awesome ;)
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Only one of those guys on an Evo bike was competitive with the pre 85 bikes and that was Gally and it was only 1 year..1981 and Gally also had a Works bike that year. In 1980 they were nearly all Evo bikes and '82 everyone was on pre 85 bikes.
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Classes should be as they where 40 years or 25 years ago. These classes can follow through to other era`s. for example pre 85. 250 scratch, 263 and over scratch, 125 scratch.
It doesn`t matter whether you race 4 stroke or 2 stroke. You fellows need to live for the moment of racing the bike you love, who cares about gall, gunter, flood, etc, they are has been like the rest of us, if gall and others where genuine and passionate about vintage motorcross they would be racing vintage motorcross from day it started, l am sorry to say they are not. So its up to us to get it right we don`t need to run vintage around them we need to run vintage around us.
125 SCRATCH
250 SCRATCH
OVER 300 SCRATCH or 263 and over
A GRADE all powers
B grade all powers
C grade all powers
Juniors
Sidecars
then we add age classes
under 30
30 to 39
40 to 49
50 to 59
60 and over.
If you have to many in one class, then it will be up to the host club to have heats, so the clubs need to have a entry cut off date, when all the entries are in then the program can be printed.
Note: stop all late entries, if late go home. all riders have plenty of time to enter race meeting. end of story.
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.....grow up, get a life, and some commonsence...yer good advice.The most common sense thing to do would be to follow the rule book.. where all doing this sport cause we love it, we have a set of rules which are pretty simple to followI agree so why the endless BS on this thread and the other thread around he time of the last Nats?You tell me.... without the rules we wouldnt have our sport.... infact every sport has a set of rules, its not rocket science, but some of you dumb-arses just dont get it??Maybe a remedial class in english reading would help those who are having trouble understanding the G.C.R's .Any other ideas? do ya...goodluck with the cabbage patch
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Cheers ;D
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Only one of those guys on an Evo bike was competitive with the pre 85 bikes and that was Gally and it was only 1 year..1981 and Gally also had a Works bike that year. In 1980 they were nearly all Evo bikes and '82 everyone was on pre 85 bikes.
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Johnny IMO Gally was the most competitive because he was the most professional in his approach.
What ever the fact remains the the pre 85 class is year specific by the G.C.R.'s and Maico's ,Huskies 81 YZ's , existed and raced side by side in the specified era.It doesn't bother me either way bu thats the way the G.C.R's are currently written.
Like you said on an earlier post "we have been through all this before"
don't know why I bothered to jump in really.
cheers
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Yeah it doesn't really matter what bike you're on.. the best rider will win.
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A few random points that I can't be bothered forming into a structured reply:
1. The concept behind Evo is both brilliant and deeply flawed. It is brilliant because it groups bikes together based on technology rather than age, but its flawed because it is the only category to group bikes like this.
2. Pre-80 made sense when it was created, but if we were to move away from Evo now, then pre-81 makes more sense than pre-80. This would have the benefit of evening out the pre-81 (aka "Evo") fields and the pre-85 fields.
3. The rule for the Nationals has (apparently) always been "One bike = one ride" (with age groups and 4-strokes as the obvious exceptions. Way I see it, if we can't run races only for specific eras at the Nationals, then we really need to question whether those eras are really worthy of National title status.
There is nothing preventing anyone from entering an older era bike in a newer era class, providing they have not also entered it in the "correct" era.
4. One year of poor support for a class does not automatically mean that the class is dead. Similarly, one year of good support for a class does not automatically mean that class is indestructable.
5. fork me, I'm sick and tired of the Vic vs Qld bickering. Neither of you ever "owned" Classic Dirt or the Nationals, so get over it. I've been to both Classic Dirts and VMX Nationals in Vic, NSW and Qld - none of the events were perfect, but none of them were a waste of time either. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
6. We're a small, limited interest sport. Sometimes it really does help the sport if you put your ego back in its box, and go and participate and enjoy the sport you love - even when things don't suit you perfectly.
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Bahnsy,
1983 RM500 was Shayne Saliba's mount.
FDR
Any photos of this bike ??
cheers
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Fok me, what a waste of six pages .
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l strongly feel that the cut off dates need to be look at again across the board. Its all getting to confusing
Pre 75 should one year later and call it pre 76
pre76 to 1972
pre72 to 1967,
pre 67 to 1963
pre 63 onwards
pre 80 to 1976 models.
pre 85 to 1980
pre 90 to 85 models
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Why do you want to change pre 75 to pre 76? Would that then include XT500? If so, and I believe it may be, it would seriously upset the balance of power (ie. dirt track).As it stands the big 2 strokes are still competative, but throw in the TT's and they will dominate dirt track.
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yES, the TT would be included.
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Going back to Worms replies 63 & 66 of 22/4/10 re direct representation to MA for Classic MX :-
In 2000 after alot of questionable decisions ,eligibility wrangles ,attempts to slip rule changes under the radar etc ,a group of us felt a riders representative association would be a good thing.This was not intended as a break from MA ,in fact was an attempt to provide a direct link between the stakeholders [classic mx riders] and the governing body [MA]. Our branch of the sport is outside the mainstream and has unique issues such as bike eras ,rider age etc. and it seemed the current system of state based voting was not working for us.
Hence a group [ the late Ray Ryan ,Ken smith ,Mark Firkin ,Bill Holm,myself & others] formed AUSHMA with Averill Grayson as secretary.
Membership was set at $20.00 p.a.and launched at the first Classic Dirt. It was advertised in VMX [see issue 10 page 72].and promoted through the clubs and at the Nats [Northam , Pt. Pirie etc].We felt to be truly representative we needed a minimum membership of 100 .
After about 18 months of promoting the idea we had 50 members ,to few to be viable ,so returned the money and disbanded.If everyone who promised to join did so, we'd have had well over the 100.
Forward to 2010 - we have major changes [introduction of Pre90 ,a split to enable clubs to run a Nats without dropping classes ,age groups for Evo etc] which have been considered by the Commission ,recommendations minuted and sent to the states for a responce months ago. To my understanding ,as of last Friday ,not one state has responded to MA.
Discussions at the Nats ,CD7,clubs ,and particularly this forum suggests the overwhelming majority agree with the general thrust of the changes ,yet it has bogged down.How many of those expressing opinions on this forum have ensured their clubs ,state committees etc have followed through?
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Col - do I have something cocked up here but I believe WA and Vic answered the proposals as highlighted by MA?
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I could be misinformed but my understanding is those responces were from the two clubs [ and were the basis for the Commissions deliberations together with the original proposal].I believe there were also a few individual contributions.The Commissioners could set us right on this but I understand the process goes through the state historic committees ,then to the state authority [MQ ,MSA etc ],who then send their recommendation to MA. This then is the "state vote."
If it is correct that MA has had no STATE feedback ,it suggests the system is not working.This was apparent to us 10 years ago when we tried to set up a riders rep. association. Apparently "Worms" is finding the same thing.
I attended the Queensland Historic Committee Meeting as a guest to explain my proposal a couple of months ago and I know their approval was included in their minutes,however it seems to have got no further.
In my opinion the concept of one state one vote is flawed due to the extreme differential in classic rider numbers from state to state ,however that is another subject.
Flawed or not the current system does not seem to function.It is four months since the proposal hit MA.
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I believe that MA and the SCB won't do anything until a club submits for a Nationals event and then it will be up to the club and SCB to decide.
No one can complain if it goes to somewhere you don't like if you had no input towards the submission in the first place. :-\ :)
Is this the fellow we need to contact..as well as our State leaders and clubs ?
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=114
I believe the Position Descriptions the right one. 8)
Ross Martin
Commissions and Comittees Manager
Ross joined MA on 1 September 2003.
Phone: +61 3 9684 0504 | Email: [email protected] | Position Description
cheers Alison
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Good Morning,
The CMX Commission minutes have now been released.
Sent: 2010-05-26 10:46
To:Alison Melvin'
Subject: RE: May Minutes
The Commission may make some recommendations which then go to the State bodies, and motorcyclists generally for comment and possible alterations.
The final decisions will not come until must later in the year.
This is the last email I had in May.
cheers Alison
Time to get off ya butts folks ;D
foot note:if anyone has a problem or issue with my posting on this matter please contact me directly not MWA/MA or clubs that I am a member of. thanks :)