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Clubroom => VMX Sidecars => Topic started by: EML on March 30, 2010, 07:09:18 pm
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what's happening with the chairs at the nats?? How many are entered and what classes are running?? Is it worth the trip??
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Got the monster eml in the shed ready for testing hope you sent the entry in EML
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Any final numbers for the sidecars at the nats, any late entries??
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Okay. I just went through it all.
Non championship classes atm are,
evo 125 ( 8 )
pre 60 (3!)
pre 65 (8 ) I think 8 is enough for this actually.
pre 65 open (4)
pre 70 open (9) One more please!
pre 75 sidecar (3!)
pre 75 4 stroke (6)
pre 75 all powers under 30 (9)
'' '' '' '' 60+ (8 )
pre 78 125 (9) ten now as Mark said.
pre 85 sidecar (5)
pre 85 125 (8 )
Taking out pre 78 125, that is 10 classes out of 21!
Piss poor I reckon.
With out knowing peoples own circumstances, I still reckon the locals should give themselves an uppercut. Especially the early model classes with so many bikes down there.
Also the list looks far better than it is as your name is there for every event you are in.
I think it is now 6 or 8 for pre 60 and 65. I am not sure if it stretches to pre 70.
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cheers LWC That's what I wanted to see. I think 1 or 2 of the pre 75's are eligible for pre 85 anyway so we may have a race.
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1 1 Walter PREISIG Yamaha EML 998 3 7:38.938 2:33.034 3
2 5 Greg ANTHONY EML GRM 1000 3 7:39.987 1.049 2:32.658 3
3 44 Brett DOBIE Wasp Yamaha 750 3 9:41.508 2:02.570 2:44.324 3
4 4 Craig SMITH Smithton 3 9:42.659 2:03.721 2:36.871 3
http://www.computime.com.au/
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Another woeful effort by the sidecar brigade, who seem obsessed by shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity they have to present a united front and give their category some credibility. Congrats are due however, to those who turned up and raced hard. Someday I hope somebody will sit down and explain to me the machinations and politics that lie behind their eternal dismal efforts at nats level. ::)
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Congrats Walter and mighty passenger Steve Baker ;) and all outfits that took on the Nats. Cheers and well done!!!! Tim754
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Very sad showing from the Qlders, seems we left all of our sparks at home with both outfits signing off with elec problems which was very frustrating as we had the EML completly rewired a fortnight before the Nats and had flogged the buggery out of it in testing without so much as a miss at all.
The black bitch went like a train in practise despite the track being very rutted and boggy in parts but unfortunately just cut out on the way to the start of the first race and hasn't so much as coughed since. Popeye drove in to Melb to pick up a new coil pack sat avo which gave us about six sparks on sunday morn but that was it.
Congrats to Wally and Steve on getting the hole shots and to the Antonys for sticking to them like glue in the wet.
GD66, PM me if you want the low down on the whole ASA thing.
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It was quite quiet and reservered with only 140 or so riders and probably 50 spectators!
Preston club put on a great effort though we were surprised at a the way a couple of things were run/organised or should I say the way could have been run/organised.
It switched between drizzle and pissing down and sunshine most of the week end and it turned the track to soup. Hence the congrats to the Wally on his hole shots. Big motor always wins the day.
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The Broadford Nats were awsome yes conditions were tough at times but the rain and mud are a great equalizer Greg and Brian on Murrays 998 GRM EMl were on fire and in the first race where off the line like a scalded cat Walter and myself went in to the first corner second with Bret and Hamish on there pre 75 outfit in third and once they got that frieght train rolling I could here them coming and at times thought they were going to join us in our chair they were that close.I dont think Bret ever closed the throttle all the way round we chased Greg and Brain for about a lap and a half but the mud and the rain finally making it to hard to see and going wide on one of the corners allowing Bret and Hamish to pull a great undertaking manouver. They chased Greg and Brian hard but didn't have enough time to catch them. I have to say considering the conditions and the bike they were riding was a lot lower than the pre 85's it was a great effort.
On the Sunday we woke up to more rain and mud but at least it stopped raining for our race, it was very important to get the holeshot and after seeing the performance of the youngters the day before we knew we had our work cut out for us to get to that 1st corner, Walters experence paid off in the gate choice and once it dropped I felt like I was hanging onto a Saturn rocket We must thank Damien, Walters mechanic for his hours of painstaking work in building a fast and reliable engine, but with the muddy conditions it was more about being able to stay on line than speed the mud was so deep in places that the bike was bought to a halt at times trying to get traction Greg and Brian tried eveything to pass but in those conditions it was always going to be hard as Bret and Hamish found out, they told me later they had to get off and push up one of the hills.
So for the last race of the day we needed to win as we were still behind on points and the youngsters were fired up and wanted blood it was good to see that they were paying attention and made a much better gate choice, we had a drying track so conditions were improving. The gate dropped and we were off again this time with our rivals on the inside line again we got to the corner first which was a huge moral boost we got down to the second corner which is a hairpin and I could hear Greg screeming to us to go faster but we made sure me held the racing line as the next corner was where Bret and Hamish got past us once the race settled down we all seemed to arrive at the corners at the same time, I think Greg and Brian where so focused on trying to pass us that Bret and hamish where able to slip passed, then all I could hear again was Bret holding that bike of thiers pinned just as we went over little down hill jump into the corner we got a little hurry up nudge after that Walter raced up the hill and didn't slow down until the two step down jumps when we went off the second jump we landed at the bottom and I thought we would be po-goed right off the course but the Promax/yss shocks worked perfectly when we needed them too and I my bad knee is very greatfull and the rest as they say is history thank you Walter and all the other competitors who turned up.
The way I have been talking you would swear there was only three sidecars! There was not the Smithy brothers bought out thier late fathers immaculate norton outfit out and rode it like they stole it, they certainly gave it there best shot but in the conditons it was always going to be tough on a pre 75 bike but thier father would have been very proud off them, although I don,t know if he would have been happy when they bought it back coverd in mud, well done. Two outfits came down from QLD Ronnies EML piloted by Popeye with Vaughn as Swinger in practice they looked like poetry in motion but all to no avail as they got to the gate the biked lost its spark and no one had a spare bucket of sparks to get it going even a late run into Melbourne to get another coil didn't help, And also thanks to Can-am who striped the coil off his own Harley to try and get the boys going. Then there was Jamie and Dave on Helen and Daves RM500 which I had ridern the week before at the HBBB and was running just fine however in practice Jamie only knowing two settings for throttle on or off managed to nip it up. Might add not his fault as later discovered engine sucking in air threw a lose joint so a quick top end rebuild overnight had the bike running for the next day unfortunately Helen had forgotern to pay the electric bill before they left Mackay so their spark was cut off at the start line as well. But if enthusiasm and friendlyness got you points they are the Australian Champions.
As someone pointed out earlier us sidecar folk do shoot ourselves in the foot but we did put a good show on considering we dont talk! Imagine what we could do if worked together and put the politics to one side. Whats done is done lets all move on we are all gona die one day and no one will care. Our legacy will be be the grumpy old men who could never agree on anything.
Also thanks to Cameron and his son for dropping in and saying Hi
And last of all a big thankyou to Preston Club for doing a fantastic job in very tough conditions the track was perfect (I'm from Wales and don't mind the mud) also Peter Drakeford who put up with alot Sh#t before the event and told every one it would be right and it was. It was well done!
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Well done to all by the sounds of it, congrats to Steve and wally
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few pic`s from the Nats.
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Some nicely angled shots Muddy, not the average point and shoot stuff-well done.
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few more pic`s
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Thanks for the feed back on the pic`s . Anybody is more than welcome to use them..
Cheers Muddy
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Muddy did you get any of later in the race when anyone behind Wally looked like monsters from the black logoon.
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congrats to walter and steve no1 againyou have to come the qld titles to try for that title too
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How did Steve Smith's son go on one of his Dads Wasps?
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I think for the first laps they were able to stick with the pack but coping the roost from three bikes in front of you is going to make it tough plus being on a pre 75 bike and its lower ground clearance didn't help had the track been dryer they would have been mixing it with the pack because they looked good in practice.
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Put it this way, if it was my boy riding my old bike and I was up there in the clouds looking down I would have have had a smile from ear to ear not matter where he was in the field!!!
But in truth he and his passenger did very very well.
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To all that competed at the nats what a great effort. To the Queenslanders my son and I could have not met a nicer group of people. Once again when things go wrong for a team they keep smiling as they love racing sidecars.
To Wally and Steve great effort back to back, no matter what age you are to do this is truly a grate effort. Good to meet both of you.
Remeber the next you throw your leg over a bike or jump into a chair is because we all love racing and having a good time. 3 wheels is so much more fun than 2
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glad ya had a hoot sidecar46 8)
Now I'm allowed more hypothetical's tonight after a few Mexican/El Salvador beers.
How much prize money would you think it would take to get a full pre75/pre85 grid full that's 30 odd,for next years Nats...5k ...10k
Say
1st $5000
2nd $2500
3rd $1000.................................do you reckon it would happen.....
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Wally put up prize money this year but took it all home with him.
I am asking the same question for next years sidecar spectacular.
Are you hinting on having the Nats in WA next year?
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Another woeful effort by the sidecar brigade, who seem obsessed by shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity they have to present a united front and give their category some credibility. Congrats are due however, to those who turned up and raced hard. Someday I hope somebody will sit down and explain to me the machinations and politics that lie behind their eternal dismal efforts at nats level. ::)
GD66, Dismal efforts at a national level-
In 2007, the ASA held an official MA Sidecar only title. The only class to fall short for an official MA title was pre '68, the rest were a full field. Each class had 5 rounds over the 2 day event, moderns rode 15min+1 lap (15 bikes), Pre '85- 7 laps (6 bikes), Pre '75- 7 laps (15 bikes), Pre '68- 5 laps (4 bikes), Juniours- 5 laps (10 bikes)the track was suitable for all classes and, track held up great all weekend. Since then, the ASA has ran its own titles with equal success. Many sidecar teams race in more than 1 class, so it is essential to have all classes at 1 meeting. Without the ASA having meetings like the '07 title, there is no MA title for the moderns or juniours. I believe this gave our category and the ASA a LOT of credibility, but for some reason we have not been able to hold an MA title since, hence why the majority of sidecar teams who want to race in a title come to the ASA national title, not the MA title. 3x3lap races is no way to sort the men out from the boys, over the duration of 5 or so laps, it doesnt matter who gets the holeshot, the fastest team on the track will cross the line first.
I hope this has shed some light on us 'Shooting ourselves in the foot at every opportunity'
Regards, OZSIDECARX
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Could I ask how long did it take to do one lap in 2007 at the MA sanctioned event?
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These side-car people are their own worst enemies I think. It's a pity they don't seem to get on. It'd be great to see them out there again... :-\
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We are out there, in good numbers, you may just be going to the wrong race meetings.
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These side-car people are their own worst enemies I think. It's a pity they don't seem to get on. It'd be great to see them out there again... :-\
Yep 414 thats right
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OK , an easier one then . What is your name ? The reason I am asking you is , so we can continue a constructive thread .
so you can delete it wally?
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Ok lets stop getting wound up!
First up at the nationals this year theywere open to pre 75 bikes as well, I know this as I paided for both bikes to race and I am sure that Pre 65 bikes would have been given a class as well if enough interest had been shown. Next the Classic nationals are just that, up to pre 85. So when you talk about the moderns and the juniors they would not be eligable anyway. Now I cannot see why you shouldn't be able to run a national event for juniors and moderns. Then the next problem as most of the ASA is in SA or VIC does that mean the rest of us allways have to travel to SA to do the championship?
Yes I would like the races to be longer and I would like more races but its the same for the solo's and its a lot tougher on a sidecar I ride both. There were a lot of guys that turned up the week before for HBBB and rode the track and we all got on great ( well they didn't talk to Walter but thats ok) went to dinner and made me very welcome. The last point for now is the sidecars are great but when its only sidecars it gets a bit boring so personnely I like the solo's to be there plus there is a bigger pool of marshals to help out and when the races are longer the bikes tend to spread out that gets boring as well also we have a bigger audience and have more chance of bringing new blood in to the sport. Sorry I have to go out now so will continue this later
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Yes the moderns and juniours can have their own title, but with only 2 classes (maybe 25-30 bikes?) it is not viable. entry fees would not come close to covering all the basic costs of an MA title event so without the classic classes, it is not possible.
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Walter was there a Pre75 Machine that took a title? The results are just a little confusing, and congrats to you and Steve of course and all the other Pre 85 place getters and racers Cheers Tim754
PS You got my son really fired up at the HBBB so maybe (yes! yes! yes!) next titles my rough ugly old shitbox Honda will be getting in your way as ya laps it again ;) Actually we where honestly going to try to enter early as (and IF) possible that week ... I was retrenched on Monday >:( but that is how it is and I will not let the black dog bite and win again ever. Cheers Tim Derrick
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Ok we are starting to agree which is a good step why can,t the moderns and juniors be a national championship and the pre 68 pre 75 and pre 85 be non championship to keep the numbers up? The other question I have was you said that most owners of the classic bikes rode in 2 or 3 classes if thats the case I don,t see that will make a big difference to the bottom line as say the entry is $150 each extra bike is $25 you said you had 6 bikes for pre 85, 15 bikes in pre 75 and 4 bikes in pre 68 so if Pre 85 bike owners had 2 bikes that would leave another 14 bikes at $150 $ 2100 ! $2100 doesn't buy a lot these days. If we want to get the numbers up how about inviting Quads to join the moderns and juniors and the advantage of this is you already have riders that are half way to being sidecar drivers and passengers and its a market which is untapped at the moment and they tend to sweep the tracks remember we are talking about one race a year that we need to put on a pedestal and showcase our sport to the biggest audience possible . There also seems to be a movment to split the nationals into pre75 and post 75 if that happens there is a chance that the races will be longer and more of them but you have to be at the table to talk otherwise your voice won't be heard. I am sure there are other ASA members reading this thread please join in and add your 2 cents worth Steve Baker
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We have no intention of gatecrashing the classic titles with moderns.
I don't know where you got that from. We simply want an all sidecar title. (like '07)
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mmmm I thought it was all about having some fun, appears I might be wrong, anyway I'm just as happy belting around a padock, if all this bullshit ends up in QLD with our crew I for one will stick to the solos, not that I expect anyone to care, so take your over inflated egos poke them up your arse and maybe that will make you smile and talk to each other
Brett to everyone except wally he can call me Mr Johnson
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As an outsider I may be missing something here (nothing new ;D) but I fail to understand why the sidecar division should have its own stand alone championship. To my way of thinking, sidecars are just another class in classic (and modern) motocross competition, no more or less important than any other class. By using your own stand alone sidecar title meeting as a precedent, MA would have to consider any other class that lobbies for its own stand alone titles. How about a stand alone "Australian Pre '78 125 Titles" or something equally as absurd for instance?
Because you guys have another wheel and a passenger on board doesn't make yours any more important than any other division in my estimation.
(No animosity or personal criticism inteded towards anybody involved in the sidecar division, I've got some good friends who use three wheels. I'm just bringing up something that's had me bamboozled for years) ;)
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Why am I sent this midless dribble? I DONT CARE!!!!!!
You are nutter and that is that , that raison sniffing cant be good for you
. I don't race to be liked . I race to win . Straight shooters never have
the esiest life , I am aware of that . you know , I will still be there ,
when you are long gone again. Ha Ha Ha , I have seen some dickheads over my
30 years racing , but lately their numbers seem to be more than ever before
. You are definitely a beauty. Don't forget to feed the lions !!!!!
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You are nutter and that is that , that raison sniffing cant be good for you
I certainly hope you aren't referring to me hitatree old pal. If you are, you haven't answered my well meaning question, one that many "skinny bike" riders have been asking for years.
If you're referring to someone else, no problems, I'll get out of the way as you seem a tad angry. :-\
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You are nutter and that is that , that raison sniffing cant be good for you
I certainly hope you aren't referring to me hitatree old pal. If you are, you haven't answered my well meaning question, one that many "skinny bike" riders have been asking for years.
If you're referring to someone else, no problems, I'll get out of the way as you seem a tad angry. :-\
No you have nothing to do with it, and for the record I agree with you, in my post the first sentence is mine the rest is a copy and paste from a somewhat dimwitted moron who constanly sends meanless dribble emails to me that I assume he thinks that they mean something! Like Y said in my earlier post firko some of these blokes need to poke there over inflated egos up their arse and smile!
Mr Johnson to wally Brett to everyone else
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Only reason you wont be there is you afraid
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Only reason you wont be there is you afraid
Damn! Been reading wally's emails for so long I'm starting to spell like him!
Mr Johnson
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Afraid of what ? Having my brakes cut again the truck , is that what you mean ?
I state my case! once again midless dribble
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Why is it that most of the problems created on this forum , originate from cyber racers . The real racers sort it out on the track . That has been done for 2010 in Broadford . Lets move on , where are the titles held next ? If you are that fast , do your miles and the hard yards .
Wally you idiot nothing to do with racing you could lap me in a 2 lap race! thing is I dont care! few of us cant wait to meet you at the QLD titles then CD7 them Prospine should be a fun packed 3 week ends! oh almost forgot to add my name! Easy for me as I only have one!
Hitatreeonce
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OK , just about to finish work for today . At least somebody talked to you today and created some exitment for you .
Wally you made me laugh! your lack of intellegence, computer skills and poor command of the english language, belittles your skill on a sidecar, you amuse me greatly! All this mean to me is that if I poke a knitting neadle up my nose and one in my right ear untill they touch it might make almost as dumb as you
hitatreeonce aka Brett mr Johnson to wally
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popcorn is ready, just sitting on the chair watching.....(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/macast/emoticon/corn.gif)
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mmm popcorn I want some but wheres Wally?
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Sidecar racing, Hard, Fast, and fun. Back in the day if you heard of a race meeting you would load the bikes up, the swag and the beer, and go racing, no matter who was there.
Realise how lucky you all are, that still get out there and go racing, no matter where or with what association.
Sidecar racing is the most spectacular form of bike racing to watch or be involved in.
Sidecar 46 ( Camo)
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Sidecar racing, Hard, Fast, and fun. Back in the day if you heard of a race meeting you would load the bikes up, the swag and the beer, and go racing, no matter who was there.
Realise how lucky you all are, that still get out there and go racing, no matter where or with what association.
Sidecar racing is the most spectacular form of bike racing to watch or be involved in.
Sidecar 46 ( Camo)
You said it all
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Camo my phone is working properly now so Pm me your number for a chat if you like. Cheers Tim Great written bit above friend and so true!!!! :)
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from what i can make out the asa wont ride at a classic meeting unless they can have the moderns and jnrs as well.is this true or a rumour .if it is true pull your heads in and ride .that is the whole idea behindCLASSIC RACING you dont see yzf/rmz 450 at a CLASSIC RACE DAY. classic road racing,classic dirt track,classic speedway dont run moderns unless it is promoted that way eg whitsunday classic has moderns and classic mx together,or dirt track where i ride has a couple of classic classes.in the race programme.running a sidecar only meetings you are only showing the converted not expanding to the masses.i couldnt make it to the titles this due to work commitments otherwise i would have been there.yes you only get 1 ride unless you have more than one bike but the same goes for a solo rider if he/she only has one bike.see your local club to run the moders ,expand the sport ,not kill it be bickering.i dont know the history about why the asa and walter are bluing,nothing to do with or plenty of other riders bury the hatchet ,put this crap behind you and ride outfits.it does nothing for us all apart from making us look like sploilt children.or if it is a rumour ignore the above.come up and ride at the QLD titlesthen CD 7 the following weekend and show case our sport .robin ricketts 07 3821 6777
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HERE WE GO AGAIN-DO I HAVE TO SHOUT IT??
Ahh f+"* I give up!
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asa`s response is?
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Like me Rocky from ASA gives up as well.
If you want to race a sidecar at National level come to the ASA/MA approved nationals in November.
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Notice more people travel a long way for ASA 'club events' than those who turn up to the 'official MA title'.
Can i Come 'round for a Coopers?
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To be honest l wish all this political crap would go away and lets just ride the bikes, imagine having all avaliable chairs on the line at once would'nt that be good, not just for us but the sport in general , by the way congrats to Walter and Steve and other competitors, have'nt found sparks yet but there in there somewhere.
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Good lad Popeye, that's what I said in reply #8, already we're up to reply #63. What Politics ? Isn't it time to tell the ASA to stump up or nick off ? ???
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its gonna start...........
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No, dont tell anybody to do anything but go and get your bikes and lets have some fun ,is'nt that we all do this for anyway.........
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Good lad Popeye, that's what I said in reply #8, already we're up to reply #80. What Politics ? Isn't it time to tell the ASA to stump up or nick off ? ???
the ASA rounds had about 20 per event, pre 75 were about 10 or more from memory ( sorry i was racing the solos) seems the VMX nats are the real HAre and hound event., they dont need to stump up, there doing fine and riding proper fields, so they got nothing to answer for, but 4 chairs at that NAts level is not worth the trip.
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Still dont know why they wont come
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Simple, they don't see a 3x3 lap blast as a national title and by us agreeing to go we are bastardising the whole thing.
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seems to me that if everyone went to the same event, the goverment would ban it because to much meethane gas would be let off in one place and cause more green house effects.kiss and make up . AND LETS GO RACING ;D ;D ;D
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Brisbane to WA for 3x3 lappers-I don't think so.
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whats wrong with going to your local track having some fun then if you feel inclined to take some holidays doing a road trip? you blokes miss the point, I started classic scrambles because I'd thought it would be some fun and not too expensive,by chance I ended up with a sidecar and enjoy riding that too, but christ if you slow your a dickhead with no brains, solo guys dont think that, I agree with popeye ride em have some fun the glory days are gone, encourge the kids to have a go, your pety whining and politicial BS is pathic. I dont give a rats arse about your titles asa or ma, actually I've alot more to say but I just couldnt care anymore, I'm back on the solo's where the funs at, I'll post Wallys email as soon as he sends it
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My Dearest Walter firstly I asked you countless times to call me mister Johnson, but I digress. Once again you miss the point like so many egotistical selfminded people do, it all starts at club level, while people like you are happy to use us to prop the sport up, you do not ever particapte at club level, either racing or behind the scenes, the only thing that interests blokes like you is a throphy once a year. You then use your socalled knowlege to help the sport along, I'll back it in that 90% of classic scrambles guys do it for one or all of these reasons, its fun, good company with like minded people, like old bikes. But a few blokes like you pour shit over the fun blokes, as for travel if I want to go I find the money, you have a piss weak argument, you are a small man by stature and interlect, but your ego is massive, good luck with your side car bullshit, as unlike you I wont delete my post tomorrow, but neither will I ever race one again, one less to pay for your 5 dollars worth of plastic next year, lastly dont send any of your bullshit emails about you not coming because I'll harm you to my mates up here, you heap of shit
Have a nice day to all the good classic scrambles blokes!
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Well? Wally? thats it? accusing me of particaption of the intake of illegal vegetable matter? I for one find that offensive, you.. my dim witted freind have no answer for a reasonable request for a pefectly legimate question? You have not ever or ever will reply with a reasonable responce to any subject that does not serve your cause, that being your massive ego or self promotion. Your a dickhead, I appoligise to all the decent people who read this, please dont let you turn you off classic scrambles but someone has to take a stand against the morons
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Normally i ride as good as I can for fuin , but this year and after all this bull , it was a great pleasure to win against all . Can you see my finger and have a good sniff too you ASA Arseh...s
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This is better than Days of our Dreary Bloody Lives.
Obviously someone Shagged someones wife, or stole their Business.
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Knowing Wally as I do it was probably both
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They say those herbes you are on , are hollowing the brain and make people moody . Please stop it Brett or find a new target .
This is possibly a slanders coment
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wallys deleting ;D
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will post his email as soon as it arrives
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Just as an outside observer and I'll be honest here, Riding a Sidecar, let alone Swinging off one, always seemed like going over to the dark side to me.
Considering this Class of racing appears to have the least number of participants, you guy's look to be self imploding from where I stand.
Obviously I don't know any of the History here, but grudges don't help.
Build a bridge boy's, or should I say "Girls".
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Just as an outside observer and I'll be honest here, Riding a Sidecar, let alone Swinging off one, always seemed like going over to the dark side to me.
Considering this Class of racing appears to have the least number of participants, you guy's look to be self imploding from where I stand.
Obviously I don't know any of the History here, but grudges don't help.
Build a bridge boy's, or should I say "Girls".
Most of us are good blokes but it takes one bad apple
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Thanks for your kind word Curly , its usually not so much the actual racers that cause the trouble , its the hangerons and bored people looking for action. BUT , muppet show is over ,I will try not give them fodder anymore , then they can move on and bug someone else :D
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Most of us are good blokes but it takes one bad apple
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You wouldn't think that reading all this shit
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Now you see I haven't come out in support of anyone in particular, to be honest I have close bloodlines that have had a long involvement the Sidecar history in & around Syd, mainly in the dirt. As a whole the Classic Dirt Track & MX scenes needs a strong and competitive Sidecar class.
Whether your a "Racer" or a supporter doesn't really matter.
Unite for the cause and enter your contraptions in the Dirt Track titles at Griffith in Sept.
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Well there you go, don't want to travel to waste gas money but will drive to sunny Qld for a putter around tiny little Nudgee.
The friggin GRM wont even get out of 1st.
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Long way to come just to beat a bunch of cowboys.
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nice selfpromoting add wally post some more garbage show the masses your ego!
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could we have some bench history racing on this outfit ..thanks 8)
Maybe its time to get out another Australian Championship winning machine
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Does the driver wear a mouth guard to stop from bashing his chops over the jumps?
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Its interesting how you say 'drive a sidecar' i thought all sidecar people referred to it still as 'riding' and not 'driving' as its still a motorcycle but it just has 3 wheels. I always see that its non sidecar people that say you drive a sidecar and not ride it, i always refer to it as rider and passenger or swinger and not driver and passenger, but sometimes still hear people say drive/driver. Is it a european thing do they call it driving?
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bist einen fahrer und bi-fahrer auf Europe.
yeah I guess that's where it comes from or it might just be me as I have no comprehension of how anybody can ride or drive one of the old twin shock monsters. A lightweight is of course another story altogether.
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umm the 2010 "Sidecarcross" championship wasnt held at one round in Broadford i think that title is owned by the ASA ?? YEp you certainly have done it again .......... :D :D
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nice selfpromoting add wally post some more garbage show the masses your ego!
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see you both at the nats next year?? :D :D :D
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Straight to the Dumbgeon with you.... :D :D
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I have ridden twinshock and light weight. Totally different animals. Now I need to learn to ride a heavy twin shock again. Will let you know which I prefer. I also have plans to go to crystal brook. Passenger to be advised.
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Good luck to all going to the Nats this weekend, remember if your not living on the edge your taking up to much space........ Go hard....
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Good luck to all going to the Nats this weekend, remember if your not living on the edge your taking up to much space........ Go hard....
that'll be the ASA title ;D anyone from up north, travel down there for the event.??
cheers
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Only Mat Malone as far as l no Allison, our bike has to unreliable to risk traveling anywhere........ Bloody thing. We are doing the Masters Games though..
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I'm not sure he would want those two boys of yours Popeye, not now they're learning to drive a sidecar outfit. :D :D