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Title: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 29, 2010, 12:48:52 pm
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Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: mx250 on January 29, 2010, 12:56:49 pm
Those were the days  :), 9 different makes  ;).

Lots of significant and rememberable names there as well.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 29, 2010, 01:15:16 pm
Yes they were fun times and this track was also one of the best it was common to see 5,000 to 10,000 spectators at the GN.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Hoony on January 29, 2010, 06:42:08 pm
G'day Stan.

what a great thing to post up. its a legendary race meeting the grand national here in vic.

can you scan the rest of the programme when you have time and post it ? i would like to see the support races entries.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: jerry on January 29, 2010, 08:44:16 pm
Me too Stan. Arguably the best track in the state in its day. Do you have any more photos. I have current ones of the track. Jerry
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: VMX247 on January 29, 2010, 09:32:26 pm
Stan S, charge em more than 40cents each a copy ,,there's inflation ya know  ;)    ;D  :P
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 30, 2010, 10:54:49 am
No problems I will post the rest of the program today

Cheers
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on January 30, 2010, 12:47:55 pm
Amazing......I didn't compete in the event but came away with first prize ...   ;D
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Hoony on January 30, 2010, 01:52:54 pm
 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: VMX247 on January 30, 2010, 01:55:54 pm
Amazing......I didn't compete in the event but came away with first prize ...   ;D

Maybe the woman in the armor advert Hoony   ;)   ;D
Great stuff Stan love how the Sponsors are highlighted more than the riders.
And where are all those sidecars now  :P
RIP Steve Smith Wasp Imports Ballarat  8)
cheers
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 30, 2010, 02:03:29 pm
Yes and also R.I.P Jim Colligan Seve's passenger who was killed at Bathhurst with Ian Thornton in the early 90's.


Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: number8 on January 30, 2010, 03:18:09 pm
Stan S

Great stuff have you any more stuff from that era,

#8 or #67 in 2nd Division of the Junior Motocross Trophy
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 30, 2010, 03:33:53 pm
Hi, number8, yes I have got plenty that I can have a look through.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Hoony on January 30, 2010, 04:54:02 pm
Great Stuff Stan.

thanks for posting it up. i enjoy reading this stuff.

just as a matter or interest what years does you collection cover?
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 30, 2010, 05:04:06 pm
I think from about 73 to 79 ish
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: TT on January 30, 2010, 05:31:22 pm
Great stuff, Stan. Thanks!  ;D
Lots of recognisable names in there.

Is Course Marshall Lou Martin the same bloke as photographer Lou Martin?
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 30, 2010, 05:39:04 pm
No sorry Tony I don't know if it's the same Lou Martin.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: mike1948 on January 30, 2010, 06:28:32 pm
I had a look through my "OLD Stuff" boxes, and I came across the programme for the 1973 Grand National at Christmas Hills.  What a catalogue of names and bikes.  A mate and I made the long trip down from Mackay to compete.  Ever seen a massed start with 4 rows of what seemed like 20 to a row?  Or been in the middle of it?  A fantastic track!  If I can relearn how to post photos, I'll scan it.
Mike
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: TT on January 30, 2010, 06:39:09 pm
The only mass start I remember was Geelong in '83. The was 2 rows of 20 in the 125's chosen by riding number. I was first on the second row being numer 301.
Nothing like 4 rows, but still pretty interesting being in the middle of it.  :-\
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 31, 2010, 07:56:41 pm
Me too Stan. Arguably the best track in the state in its day. Do you have any more photos. I have current ones of the track. Jerry

Hi Jerry, I found this one of Anton Alers and Rob Gordon in the 77 Grand National.

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Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: JohnnyO on January 31, 2010, 09:41:51 pm
That would be Anton Alers not long before his career ending injury..
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on January 31, 2010, 10:44:45 pm
If I remember correctly it was at that meeting.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: jerry on February 01, 2010, 10:31:54 am
 Keep it coming Stan! I was at that meeting too. Absolute tragedy Anton could have gone on to the big time overseas Im sure. If I remember correctly he had gone over to Europe earlier in the year and raced at Namur. The last I heard of him he was rallying. Jerry
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 01, 2010, 01:08:14 pm
Amazing......I didn't compete in the event but came away with first prize ...   ;D

Maybe the woman in the armor advert Hoony   ;)   ;D
Great stuff Stan love how the Sponsors are highlighted more than the riders.
And where are all those sidecars now  :P
RIP Steve Smith Wasp Imports Ballarat  8)
cheers

Maybe the woman in the armor advert Hoony   ;)   ;D

Not that lucky.....

but I got the Bultaco Mk 8 Pursang "made available" by Bert Flood Motorcycles in 1976.   ;D

Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 01, 2010, 02:37:19 pm
I wondered what you meant but now it's all clear. You lucky fella you.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Rosco86 on February 01, 2010, 03:31:39 pm
Great to see the old program. Amazing that myself and John (Toby) Robertson rode at that meeting and then meet up 30 years later in Proserpine with him purcahsing one of my maicos to get back into vmx. He still luvs to remind me that things haven't changed that he was faster than me back than and still is now.
Rosco 86.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 01, 2010, 06:15:57 pm
glad you enjoyed it Rosco I will try and put more on over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 02, 2010, 10:20:24 pm
Stan S

Great stuff have you any more stuff from that era,

#8 or #67 in 2nd Division of the Junior Motocross Trophy

Hey #8 this program may bring back some memories for you.

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=11593.msg113930#msg113930
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: number8 on February 03, 2010, 05:23:18 am
Stan S

Great stuff have you any more stuff from that era,

#8 or #67 in 2nd Division of the Junior Motocross Trophy

Hey #8 this program may bring back some memories for you.

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=11593.msg113930#msg113930


Stan S,

They do that was my first meeting out of Sub Juniors,I have some great memories of that week end specially the flight home Sunday night,with Gary Flood & and Vic Allan playing up like 2 second hand Victa's

#8
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 03, 2010, 06:04:15 am
Unfortunatley I was on the boat which the crew decided to go on strike for a week. Camped at the boat terminal in Devenport and had to miss the Wallan meeting that Gaston rode at the following weekend.

Cheers Stan.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: jerry on February 03, 2010, 11:24:20 am
Stan your a legend! this exactly the info I have been looking for. It encapsulates a golden era of OZ mx that I have precious memories of. If you have any more dont be shy about posting it. Thanks again Jerry
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 03, 2010, 12:40:00 pm
Gday Jerry, yes I have got heaps more. I will keep posting as I get time.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: number8 on February 03, 2010, 03:22:51 pm
Unfortunatley I was on the boat which the crew decided to go on strike for a week. Camped at the boat terminal in Devenport and had to miss the Wallan meeting that Gaston rode at the following weekend.

Cheers Stan.

Stan,

That happened to my Dad and Brother in our van they had to wait it out,as well

#8
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 03, 2010, 03:38:56 pm
Unfortunatley I was on the boat which the crew decided to go on strike for a week. Camped at the boat terminal in Devenport and had to miss the Wallan meeting that Gaston rode at the following weekend.

Cheers Stan.

Stan,

That happened to my Dad and Brother in our van they had to wait it out,as well


#8

#8
which van, the duel wheel one with the Falcon motor and running gear?

cheers Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: number8 on February 03, 2010, 05:48:29 pm
Unfortunatley I was on the boat which the crew decided to go on strike for a week. Camped at the boat terminal in Devenport and had to miss the Wallan meeting that Gaston rode at the following weekend.

Cheers Stan.

Stan,

That happened to my Dad and Brother in our van they had to wait it out,as well


#8

#8
which van, the duel wheel one with the Falcon motor and running gear?

cheers Stan

That it be it,
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 07, 2010, 11:14:35 pm
The only mass start I remember was Geelong in '83. The was 2 rows of 20 in the 125's chosen by riding number. I was first on the second row being numer 301.
Nothing like 4 rows, but still pretty interesting being in the middle of it.  :-\



Gday Tony, re: mass starts that you mentioned I remember this one that we rode in SA at the Laurie Boulter Motocross at Harrowgate 25th of April 1977. 5 rows. Very scary in the first corner.

Stan

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Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 08, 2010, 10:50:12 am
day Tony, re: mass starts that you mentioned I remember this one that we rode in SA at the Laurie Boulter Motocross at Harrowgate 25th of April 1977. 5 rows. Very scary in the first corner.


Stan, they were obviously grouped in order of ability, style, sophistication etc etc etc.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 08, 2010, 12:24:50 pm
Yeah I don't know how they worked it out, but I tell you the first lap was very interesting. I think I have a clipping from the first corner pileup. I will post it if I can find it.

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 09, 2010, 12:07:09 am
Can't remember the 77 pile-up, so would love to see any pics.  I do remember the 76 pile-up; I think Mike Landman and I were the only ones to survive (he because he was in the lead and me because I was dead last)  ::)
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 09, 2010, 08:24:39 am
Can't remember the 77 pile-up, so would love to see any pics.  I do remember the 76 pile-up; I think Mike Landman and I were the only ones to survive (he because he was in the lead and me because I was dead last)  ::)

Yeah you are right the pile up was 76. I remember running over Dave Basham's bike in the first corner.

Stan.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 09, 2010, 09:24:39 am
Stan, I was in the midst of it and saw Dave go down and others all around me.  Probably watched as you came to grief.  By some miracle, the way was clear for me so I got a good break on the pack with Landman.....and we never looked back  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 09, 2010, 12:38:54 pm
Stan, I was in the midst of it and saw Dave go down and others all around me.  Probably watched as you came to grief.  By some miracle, the way was clear for me so I got a good break on the pack with Landman.....and we never looked back  :D :D :D



I have got the cutting photo I was telling you about I will try and post it tonight. By the way from what I remember I came out of the corner with Lester and had a great battle for most of the race.

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 09, 2010, 09:08:37 pm
Stan, I was in the midst of it and saw Dave go down and others all around me.  Probably watched as you came to grief.  By some miracle, the way was clear for me so I got a good break on the pack with Landman.....and we never looked back  :D :D :D


Gday Chris, these are the 76 Laurie Boulter pics that I found

Stan


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Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 10, 2010, 02:32:15 pm
Stan,

Great photos.  What were you on that year?

Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 10, 2010, 02:56:50 pm
I was on that 250 Montesa that is running over Bashams bike.

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 10, 2010, 05:50:31 pm
Stan, going for that extra traction  :D

Now I see Lester behind you ......

Who is Landman dicing with?  Another Yamaha, but not sure of the rider.

Do you have the program from that year?
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 10, 2010, 06:32:32 pm
Stan, going for that extra traction  :D

Now I see Lester behind you ......

Who is Landman dicing with?  Another Yamaha, but not sure of the rider.

Do you have the program from that year?


I don't know who the other Yamaha rider is with Mike. I had forgotten it was run over 2 legs and the crash was in the second leg. I have got the program with some results written in it. I will post it on a new thread tonight.

Regards
Stan.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 10:19:00 am
Stan,

Had another look at the photos...it looks very much like Bash's riding style and his long helmet peak.  Cheers
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 11, 2010, 11:18:36 am
Yes could very well be.

Stan.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Allbrit on February 11, 2010, 12:04:44 pm
Stan,

It is great to see these old programmes, and they bring back a lot of memories.

The scary part is that I am listed as an official at both the 1975 and 1977 events.

Do you know how long ago that was?

Cheers,
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 11, 2010, 12:30:12 pm
Yeah I remember everyday when I get out of bed how long ago that was.

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 02:36:41 pm
Great line-up of announcers in those days.  Obviously the club was very wealthy.  Didn't the first guy go on to be a TV celebrity or something like that......the name is very familiar  ???  ???  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 11, 2010, 02:59:18 pm
If you mean Ross Martin he was a high profile M.A. steward. Don't think he was a TV star but they seem to need the same attention. (sorry did I say that out loud)

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 03:37:11 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Almost as bad as Presidents of State controlling bodies   ::) ::) ::) ::)

 :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 11, 2010, 04:20:28 pm
Yes your right on the money there.

Stan.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 05:58:25 pm
Stan,

The  ;D was for Ross Martin and the  ::) was for me.  The  :-* was for any-one who might have felt offended.  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 06:08:42 pm
Stan,  how come you still have all of those programs with the results written in?  Was it parents keeping the records or have you always been an avid recorder of events?
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: JohnnyO on February 11, 2010, 06:11:05 pm
I've got a few old programs like that where my father wrote the results in.. good to look back on.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on February 11, 2010, 06:16:58 pm
Why is it that you only realise what a good idea it would have been to keep programs when its way too late?    ???  ???

 I think I have 2 old ones from the 70's somewhere, but I doubt that there are any results in them.  Will look tonight.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: JohnnyO on February 11, 2010, 06:19:59 pm
I have all mine from the mid 70's starting in minibikes through till '83
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on February 12, 2010, 06:14:16 am
Stan,  how come you still have all of those programs with the results written in?  Was it parents keeping the records or have you always been an avid recorder of events?


I was lucky enough to have a big sister who used to come to all the meetings and for my 21st she put together a huge scrap book for me. It's funny, after she stopped coming to the meetings I stopped saving the programs etc.

Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Dennis on June 22, 2010, 10:28:50 pm
I have a stack of that old stuff the old man kept.I will scan them soon and post them.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on June 22, 2010, 10:39:33 pm
I have a stack of that old stuff the old man kept.I will scan them soon and post them.


Hey Dennis, are you the Dennis that had a couple of tumbles at Conondale? ;D How are the akes and pains???

Regards Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: SAABCOMBI on June 22, 2010, 11:18:04 pm
47#  :D  He could never stay upright on a bike even back in the 70`s. ;D, Just ride over him and use him for traction. If you can`t beat them join them, welcome a board 47#
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Dennis on June 22, 2010, 11:36:46 pm
Ho HO HO you guys are such a laugh. I remember when the pain would go away after the second day not week.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: SAABCOMBI on June 23, 2010, 08:12:18 am
there was a nice track on the south side of Maffra, does anybody know the name of it.
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Hoony on June 23, 2010, 06:51:18 pm
there was a nice track on the south side of Maffra, does anybody know the name of it.

Would Newry be what you are thinking of Dave?
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: SAABCOMBI on June 23, 2010, 07:38:27 pm
No Hoony, l was thinking about it today, it was the south side of moe not Maffra. over or under the railroad track, about 10 to 15 k`s, small town up in the hills,
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: jerry on June 23, 2010, 07:58:59 pm
Cant help you Dave but I wonder do you remember how to get to Wallan? Jerry
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: number8 on June 23, 2010, 08:25:49 pm
Cant help you Dave but I wonder do you remember how to get to Wallan? Jerry


Up the Hume highway take the Bevridge exit ;D

#8
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: jerry on June 23, 2010, 09:43:15 pm
Thanks 8. I remember that bit but then my brain turns to mush. Got anything else? Jerry
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Toolboy on June 26, 2010, 04:45:23 pm
Thanks Stan

Yep my cousin is listed there riding a Maico and Im pretty sure i was at this event, i was only 10yr old, wide eyed, lovin the smell of 2 stroke and trying to persuade my parents to buy me a mini-bike..XR75's were the coolest back then for a kid,,,hahaha

Tim
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: TCSA#9 on June 28, 2010, 03:27:39 pm
Thanks for the memories Stan.

Interesting you mention the Laurie Boulter MXs in SA of '76 & '77. Rode in both of those & was one of the lucky ones to pull a "Row 1" gate...Had a look through the old trusty shed archives to find a dusty 3rd place sash for '76 ( Mike Landman won that year) .

Cheers
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on June 28, 2010, 08:17:09 pm
Tony, more info  on this thread....cheers

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=11735.0
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on June 28, 2010, 08:44:55 pm
Thanks for the memories Stan.

Interesting you mention the Laurie Boulter MXs in SA of '76 & '77. Rode in both of those & was one of the lucky ones to pull a "Row 1" gate...Had a look through the old trusty shed archives to find a dusty 3rd place sash for '76 ( Mike Landman won that year) .

Cheers

Gday Tony, yes they were great races. I unfortunatley started further back than you in the 76 ones.

Regards Stan
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: pirie593 on June 29, 2010, 09:48:03 am
But, Stan, we all now know that you had a plan to use the South Ozzies for traction  :D
Title: Re: Chistmas Hills Grand National 1975 program
Post by: Stan S on June 29, 2010, 06:35:06 pm
But, Stan, we all now know that you had a plan to use the South Ozzies for traction  :D

The only ones I could use for traction were the ones lying on the ground in the first corner, I couldn't catch the others  ;D ;D

Regards Stan