78 Evo & Pre 85 Titles

[2 shocks]

Just putting out there for your thoughts, we attended the nationals in Tassie last year & had a great time. We were lucky enough to win 2 titles Evo & Pre 85. On reflection & knowing the Tassie guys very well, it was a huge effort to bring the weekend together, catering for all classes. This is just a thought, but are we trying to be all things to everybody. What suits a Pre 75 bike obviously doesnt suit bikes with longer suspension & greater horsepower. Any thoughts on having Pre 78, Evolution & Pre 85 as a seperate event ie; different track & different day.

Mr Maico (Ken Baker) Vic

[VMX247]

There is always going to be ongoing discussing on this topic ...bring on the pre 90         
cheers

[JohnnyO]

Why not run pre 75 on friday before the track gets rough and give them shorter races.

[BAHNZY]

Lets not forget what happened in WA a few years back. The exact reverse of this topic.
The one year wear the planets aligned and i (along with a few others) was prepared for a holiday in the west and a chance to race in a National Title and then the rug is pulled from underneath us.

[All Things 414]

Any thoughts on having Pre 78, Evolution & Pre 85 as a seperate event ie; different track & different day.

Mr Maico (Ken Baker) Vic

Sounds good. For Pre 78 and up there could be more races over the weekend (fewer classes), tracks could be suited better for the types of bikes (bigger jumps and rougher track) and races could be six laps or more.

[VMX247]

Lets not forget what happened in WA a few years back. The exact reverse of this topic.
The one year wear the planets aligned and i (along with a few others) was prepared for a holiday in the west and a chance to race in a National Title and then the rug is pulled from underneath us.

lets hope next time your expectations are met with a positive outcome.


On another topic, I believe the class's for classic mx nats are now set in deep concrete in some abis.
cheers

[BAHNZY]

As long as our arseholes point to ground, there will be Classic Title/s that will either be;
1. All established classes inclusive of Evo, and Pre85
(or)
2. All bikes up to Pre75/Pre78, (As happened in WA)
but in the very short term there won't be two (2) seperate recognised Australian title event's in one year where the Pre78, EVO and Pre85 run as a seperate Australian Title.

[All Things 414]

Why?

[BAHNZY]

I'm dissapointed that i diddn't get to WA, but i was even more dissapointed at the timing of the announcment to the eastern states that there was not going to be EVO events. I (like a lot of others) had been planning the trip since the announcement of the location.

[Rossvickicampbell]

I like the thoughts as we have spoken on this through various threads previously.  Manjimup next year would of been good with pre 75 say till lunch time Saturday and then everybody else after that until finish Sunday.  Or pre 75 Sat and the rest Sunday.  Would be good to see because I don't know whether 2 entirely separate events would help the cause.

Rossco

[BAHNZY]

Why?
My take only.

The Pre78 classes have been established for a long time and have a following with riders and people in positions that are seen by some (not me personally) to control the direction of the sport and they don't see that EVO & Pre85 are "Classic" class bikes. Have a read of some of the threads about this and you will understand the emotions that surround it. There are some people in Classic circles that simply refuse to accept or recognise that Pre85 even exists and EVO is seen as nothing more than bastardising good bikes to make something that never existed in the first place. Start up a conversation about Pre90 and you can feel the knives come out.

Whilst the Pre75 classes at a state level are dropping away, the National titles bring out Pre75 class riders that you don't see at a club or State level during the course of the year. As a result a once a year National Title is well attended and the "Spirit of the Era" is rekindled for another 12 months.

EVO & Pre85 are the new players on the team and have yet to properly establish the classes; you only need to look at the GCR's to understand this. (No age classes is a good example)

Another thorn in the jocks that rubs a lot of the older guys up is that EVO & Pre85 brings along a much younger, more hungry & aggressive rider. You only had to witness the jumping styles and tactics that some of the younger riders used at Classic Dirt and that was a non-competitive event.

Time will change the views, the mindsets and the construction of the GCR's, but it will take that, time. It's simply evolution (pardon the pun) of the sport.

Note: It will be intersting to see how the 2010 Title's at Broadford next year will unfold. I get the feeling that the Pre75/78 fraternity will see the track layout (regardless of what changes are made) as more a EVO/Pre85 and perhaps numbers might not be as good as say, Connondale.

[RED ALERT]

Is that for certain, the 2010 titles will be at Broadford???

[BAHNZY]

That what the most recent MA directors minutes elude to. Without going back to the document they have noted that the Broadford Bike Extravaganza will be held on a given weekend and the following weekend will be the National event. Just cant remember the date that was put forward.

[VMX247]

Quote:::Note: It will be intersting to see how the 2010 Title's at Broadford next year will unfold. I get the feeling that the Pre75/78 fraternity will see the track layout (regardless of what changes are made) as more a EVO/Pre85 and perhaps numbers might not be as good as say, Connondale.

yes it's going to be interesting times ahead for VMX.
It will be good to see the strength of the other National class's and how strongly they are supported in each state and at each Nationals...also the structure of how it's all done and run 
Definatley be an eye opener I think    
cheers

[Viper666]

OK, time for my 2 bobs worth.

Bahnsey makes some valid points but as Bob Dylan said "The times are a changin".

At some time some one said what if we went from 4" suspension to let say 6" then 9", 12" etc.

Even back then some said it was unecessary, some said why do you need it but as the bikes evolved so did the sport.
If you stay still you die the same with sport. We may not have the numbers or the support to "Go it alone" but it will happen.
Not having a go at our classic mates but for the very argument Bahnsey says Evo plus is not accepted is the very reason the sport will flourish as classic may wane. More younger riders will ride a Evo + bike than a classic because they are a closer resemblance of what they ride today in horsepower and suspension.

Dont get me wrong I want classic to go on & on but most of its purist are getting on and will give it away at some stage and as much as I would like to keep it "Same old bikes, same old blokes" without the younger riders our bikes will become something you put in your bar, not an instrument of entertainment & excitement. I do agree that some dont ride within the spirit of the sport but that's not just reserved for our younger riders, something I have been accused of myself at times. My son has taken up the sport and loves it. He is definitely someone who rides within the spirit. So younger doesn't necessarily mean agressive. I wont name names but I reckon there are a few agressive ones in the older groups.

Back to the point. I'm for it but dont forget we get whingers within this group too that the tracks used are too "modern" for their bikes.
Monza is often labeled a bike wrecker and wheel detroyer but in my biased opinion it is more a case of poorly maintained bikes or rider ability. I am not saying that I am a great rider but I pick and choose what obstacles I will attack. At Wonthaggi 3 years ago my 250 blew a shock and broke the frame and my 125 expansion chamber split down the seam after I stuffed up a jump and landed heavily. Do I blame the track? Of course not. I blame 30 year old bikes and rider error.

If this idea gains momentum I can garantee Monza will be available although Broadford makes more sense from a logistics view.

I look back over this thread I seemed to have waffled a bit but in a nutshell, I'm all for it.


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