budget bikes?

[mainline]

I'm going to concentrate on getting it rolling first, with that in mind I wanted to ask a bit more about forks and shocks.

Is there a way to identify the Ceriani and Betor forks, and do they have different specifications through the years or were they basically the same design throughout? Can all or most triple clamps be made to fit?

Also, what are these Red Wing copies that are selling on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-Wing-Forks-Ceriani-replicas-34-mm-Italian-bikes_W0QQitemZ270412004984QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef5cfbe78&_trksid=p4506.m20.l1116

As far as shocks go, can they be adjustable modern shocks (within reasona, and with the right look) or do you have to find some period items?

Thanks again, and look forward to more daft questions

[Marc.com]

the fork lowers and clamps of Ceriani and Betor looks different. Guard mounting is lower and the bar clamps are different as Cerianis have nut heads recessed into the clamp. I would have to sit both mine together to give you the blow by blow.

But I would say the most important thing is condition and price..... new ones on fleabay make more sense than a set of forks that you have to rebuild. Set of $25 DT250 forks with $4.00 worth of Ceriani stickers makes good budget alternative.

Shocks are free choice so any Chinese 5 spice $189.00 shocks will getthe job done.

[firko]

Paul those Redline forks are Mexican made budget replacements for Yamaha or Suzuki 34mm units. I've got a pair and they're nothing out of the bag. Not only that, they don't look period. Look for REH, Betor, CZ or Ceriani from Spanish or Euro MX bikes. Internally Cerianis, CZ and Betor Ceriani copies are almost identical. Spanish and Mexican Betors differ externally but are pretty similar inside. It's confusing but if it's 35mm and either of those brands it'll be OK.

For shockies, as long as they aren't remote or piggy back any of the modern style shocks will do but I like to keep the shocks within a cooee of the era. I've got Arnacos on my Ducati and Konis are designated for my Cheney.

[VMX247]

keep building those pre 60 and pre 65 bikes as MA decision is 10 per class-
they are not budging.. ...Hope we got ten for Qld !
cheers

[Nathan S]

Alison, has there been a formal submission put it, or simply a request to review the rule?

[VMX247]

Alison, has there been a formal submission put it, or simply a request to review the rule?

http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=MA_Reports&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=48388

Nathan page nine of the above minutes.
On the submission side I would have to confirm.
cheers
pm sent

[VMX247]

Here we have one budget bike ready to be boxed to Aussie  ...not many of these makes here--
-- so buy buy buy     

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOT-WORKS-REPLICA-SCRAMBLER-VILLIERS-GREAVES-COTTON_W0QQitemZ300327322907QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item45ece7451b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7|66%3A2|39%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

[firko]

Here's a nice little entry level pre 65 bike, along the lines of Alisons Sprite. This is an early Cotton with the 34a motor as in Alisons bike. Later Cottons had Villiers Starmaker engines identical to AJS Stormers.
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cotton-scrambler-Pre-65-vintage-Motorcross-twin-shock_W0QQitemZ160348471599QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item255583812f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

[firko]

The above post got me thinking about Cottons. As I've stated elsewhere I've got a circa '64 Cotton Cobra frame that I originally got to fit my Honda CB77 305 twin. Well, like many of my projects it never got past the "see if it fits" stage and I recently offered it to Nathan for his Yamaha YDS3 pre 65 project. Below is a Cotton with a 500 Triumph engine. Former GP rider Andy Robertson successfully rode one in UK pre 65 until a couple of years ago. The other Cotton features the Villiers Starmaker engine (compare it to the Cotton for sale above) and Ceriani forks instead of the leading linkers. Cottons were very popular in the mid sixties and were the equal to Sprite, DOT,Greeves and other Villiers powered Brit bikes. The AJS Stormer is a flow on from the Cotton. They're still popular in 250 pre 65 competition in the UK and USA.
               
                         

Below: Another Triumph/Cotton and a couple of shots of another Cotton Cobra with Starmaker engine

[VMX247]

Very very nice Cotton  Scrambler in the UK and a price to match..
I can't find the guard add in the VMX mag do you know which page and who it is ??
Whilst looking for the advert for guards I've just come across the Cotton story in VMX #34,these Mags are becoming a handy little library.
cheers A

[firko]

I can't find the guard add in the VMX mag do you know which page and who it is ??

I don't know what you mean Alison?

[VMX247]

I can't find the guard add in the VMX mag do you know which page and who it is ??

I don't know what you mean Alison?

We need some aluminum mud guards for the Sprite and we thought the add for them was in VMX mag.
thanks

[firko]

Try Don Newell in Brisbane, he'll be at Conondale so he may be able to bring them to you there.
PO Box 86 Everton Park 4053 Queensland
Phone:07 - 3353 1874
Fax:07 - 3353 1720
Email:[email protected]

[VMX247]

Yep did find it,next to the page on Ducati in the Dirt-450RT 
Not a name to forget either-my mums maiden name Newell 
yippeeeee right here in OZ in Qld--we can do some serious shopping 
Thanks again

[firko]

Another Cotton
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280371799181&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123