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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2009, 01:49:05 pm »
Sounds like TS125ERZ is the go. I would prefer to go 12v for better lighting and charging etc andIf I swap the entire electric system from this bike it should be good ( I assume these still have a battery...) then its just a simple case of swapping the bulbs etc.....

Is it possible to use a YZ80 or similar CDI for a more decent ignition curve?

Am I missing something here???
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2009, 02:08:59 pm »
now here is the catch. from what i have read in the manual, the 82 TS125ERZ uses a combined CDI unit/igniton coil alll in one unit.

this would probably replace it

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/pdfs/HT-CDIfit.pdf
http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/htcdi-combined-ht-cdi-coil-honda-kawasaki-suzuki-ktm-yamaha-1865-0.html
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2009, 02:27:41 pm »
I just got the manual you pictured out from the library so I will have a read up...........

I would like to think something will fit with relative ease.... cant really afford the electrixworld setup just yet.. :(
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2009, 02:51:42 pm »
that will be your problem getting a set up that is cheap, requires little mods to get it to fit and gives you 12 volts. That is why the Czech kit is so attractive if you can get over the cost. its just bolt on and away you go.

you can see here in 1984 UK still had 125ER's while there was still the newer water cooled TS125X out in 84
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Suzuki-TS125ER-1984-Workshop-Manual-TS125-TS-125-ER-VGC_W0QQitemZ350202988091QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET?hash=item5189b9863b&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30

here is the 125ERZ magneto

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2009, 01:24:43 pm »
I think if I find a TS125ERZ stator setup I will be fine. This will give me the 12v I am after. As far as a coil goes I have a new 12v one here, left over from another project....

The only other part I need to get is the CDI.......

Im thinking YZ80 / or any of the 125 motorcross bikes......

Should be fairly simple to get, the only tricky part will be the stator setup....

making it all fit is no worries, I have a full machine shop.... ;)

My good mate here owns an Auto Sparky workshop so I have full access to that as well..... ;)

Anyone out there got a stator setup off an ERZ????
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2009, 01:31:24 pm »
ERZ will not give you 12V they are ALL 6volt systems, try a late model TF125 (same motor) I believe them to be 12V as the TF is electric start.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2009, 01:45:43 pm »
Hmmmm.... Im reading page 222 of the above pictured manual and it says "Both of the ERZ models use a capacitor discharge system, known as pointless electronic ignition (PEI) by Suzuki. The system is similar to that used on earlier US models and is described in chapter 3, but in this case is a 12 volt arrangement rather than 6 volts"

Im guessing from that that it is 12v.....

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2009, 02:03:07 pm »
Not sure about US or UK (may have compulsory 12V rating for all motorcycle electrics) but OZ and NZ model were all 6volt.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2009, 02:59:22 pm »
Bugger!! that is such a pain in the arse......

My brother in law just moved back from the UK last week, he asked if I needed anything, I said not that I can think of....

Can think of a few things now....

I wonder if a pocket bike set up will fit in the cases?......

I quite enjoy the fabrication side of things..... and the challenge.....
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2009, 03:10:25 pm »
There is nothing wrong with the 6 volt system, how much night riding are you really planning to do?
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2009, 03:21:25 pm »
Im a Police Officer. I work shift work, 6 days on and 4 days off. This means that 4 days out of the 6 Im working I am riding at night.

This combined with the idiot Tauranga drivers means I have to be extra carefull as part of my trip to and from work is on an experssway at 100km/h.......

So I think 12v lighting is quite important.

Just gotta find the parts.....
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2009, 05:40:21 pm »
sorry cyclegod but YES TS125ERZ and all the other TS125ER aircooled/fullfloater bikes are 12 volt, not that it really matters, just fit a 12 volt reg/rect.

im not even sure we had the air cooled & full floater TS100ER & TS125ER in Australia anyway. Im pretty sure we didnt because in the stator diagrame above there is no E24 for Aus.

try japanese motorcycle wreckers in NZ or that big trail bike wreckers in NZ, i cant think of their name.

There is another way to go about it. Get the US spec TS125X (81) or the ER version that uses same stator with separate charge and light coil and then link the 2 in paralle through a reg/rect and run a full DC system. Im sure you wont have much output though as the rectification chews a lot of power ( about a 1/3 of original AC power) so it could all be trial and error. other option is to get both coils wound for maximum and you might get a little more or you might not. modifying electrics is a bit of guess work/trial and error to see what is actually going to work and what wont. I was told i couldnt get anymore than 60 watts AC from a TS185 after a rewind but all i did was change the regulator to a 12 volt and the stock light coil easily ran a 60/55W globe when on paper i didnt think it would either and when i fitted another coil in place of the charge coil i even had more power. My friend in US also had a similar experience with a PE250T/X and with a few cheap mods he got some decent light output out that surprised us both.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2009, 05:49:25 pm »
I'll have a ring around tomorrow.....

Im guessing that the TS125ERZ stators output is a regulated 12v, therefore is it a simple matter of fitting a CDI of my choice and coil and away I go?

Any other parts I need??
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2009, 05:53:45 pm »
there are bike wreckers at the Mount  ;)    go over bridge  turn  3rd or forth on LHs  follow to end and they are on RHS

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2009, 06:03:49 pm »
the 12 volt lighting charge circuit is separate to the ignition. you will have to study the manual to determine if you going to be able run the ignition side of things into a CDI and then a coil, because as standard its a all in one unit. I would not go using yamaha components, stick with suzuki as they use the same colour wires across the board. your also going to need to determine what sort of ignition it is. To me it looks like it could be a low voltage DC system which only uses a pulse from the stator and the power comes from the battery, in that case that will likely prevent you fitting any late 70's/early 80's RM CDI and coil.

i would be getting the full TS125ERZ set up first, coil, flywheel,stator,cdi.

another thing, what if the ER stator only has 2 ignition wires comming out of it, but yet your YZ 80 or RM125 CDI unit has 5 or 6 input wires for example. Then what are you going to do? see what i mean?

Just looking at the wiring in the haynes book now and yes it appears the ignition would be a DC system with only pulse comming from the stator and power coming from the battery, the pulse comes from the stator on the black/red wire an then there is the black white wire for earth. 2 yellow wires come from the light coils connected in series which go into a single phase regulator rectifier

there is one wire only going into the CDI/ignition coil unit which is the black/red wire. This tells me any HV ignition system components wont be compatible or easily fitted.

this also means that if your battery packs up you cant start your bike unless you run a elecrolyitc capacitor in parralel with the battery for emergency starting. Many old british bikes had this set up which used a blue Lucas 2MC capacitor. ;)
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