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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 12:20:41 am »
It certainly is a nice bit of gear Lozza, I will measure up my crank taper like I promised and get you the info for you know what......:-)
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 06:20:11 am »
what's the talk of drilling new holes in the stator..it's a straight out bolt on swap. The stator plate for the 125ER and the plate for the early model are near identical even to the point the cdi plate still has the provision for the points plate and both mount via 3 screws. So far as I can tell they swap straight over.


TS125K at left and TS125ER at right..

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 02:34:31 pm »
Different to the one in my 72 TS125T Doc..... mine has a 3rd coil on it and only 2 mounting holes. The stator plate cannot be adjusted at all, its fixed in place, the points themselves have the adjustment facility via a slotted hole in its base plate.

Whats the story with that then?.......
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 03:24:41 pm »
TS125ER, anything 1980 onwards and you will be right but off the top of my head i think they had CDI on 79 model too. im not sure unless i go looking.

Possibly TF125 from the 1980s will be the same aswell.

Doc, has the 125ER plate only got one light coil/charge coil?

ss2fly, the kit i pictured will fit your bike just a question of how much you want to spend. that one is a full DC set up so you can charge a battery. if you just want AC for lights i think they can do it with just an AC regulator aswell. If you want blinkers i would go with DC.

as long as the OD of the 125ER plate fits on your cases it will work even if you only have 2 mounting holes. It will just mean setting up the plate to get the correct timing and re drilling.

if you have something different to the K model Doc has shown then there must be a difference from the 72 model or special TS125T is different altogether as its a japanese home market model or what ever it is.

if you just want to do it cheap i would fit a later model TS125ER plate/flywheel and use a RM125 CDI unit, if you got $ to spend and want somthing really good, go with one of those aftermarket kits.

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 03:33:32 pm »
The "K" one doc is showing is for a 185 not a 125 ALL the early TS/TC/RV/TM 125's share the same cases which have 2 mounting holes and nothing else. The drawing shown is the same for 71-75 model TS125's part #15, the stator mounting bolts, are listed as only 2 required per unit.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 05:15:10 pm »
hmmm..oops now I dunno what it's from until I double check but it's a TS125 flywheel at least :P..the other is def TS100ER but eh...anyway..set the plate, mark the 2 hole locations, drill away and Bobs' ya uncle..cdi ignition ;) as a bonus the TS100 flywheel weighs over half a pound less than the TS125 item..think I've just found how to give my TS/RM a little more drive ::)
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2009, 05:56:05 pm »
I would love to go to that flash harry setup LWC82PE but funds etc..... you know..... ;)

I will try to get a complete stator plate and coils from a TS100/125ER. combined with a RM125 / YZ80 cdi and coil or similar and see what happens....

Is this a good start?

i assume that this setup will still have charging ability for the battery as I still have full lighting function and indicators, horn etc....
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2009, 06:25:31 pm »
ive got manuals for TS125ER. It explains the electrics pretty well in there. i will have a read look either tonight or tomorrow and see what capability the stator has. The bigger TS's have 1 AC light coil and another AC coil fed through a half wave rectifier to trickle charge a battery. Maybe the 125 has a charging and lighting coil on top of one another?
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2009, 06:38:43 pm »
Thanks LWC, look forward to finding out...

Do I also need an advance/retard unit? or is this not needed or is it incorporated in the cdi?\

What about an ignitor?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................. its starting to get a little complicated....

If someone can list ALL the parts i need to do this and from what year and model bike it would make life a lot easier...... instead of trying to guess and get it wrong....

The only things to bear in mind are:

-I run a battery so I need charging capability

-I also still use lights indicators horn etc

That is why I am considering TS125ER stator and rotor plus whatever cdi and coil you guys recommend, possibly RM/KX/CR/YZ.... To give a decent ignition curve.

But I need to know the bit I do and dont need to make this a LOT easier....

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2009, 06:50:25 pm »
ok, after some more definative trial and error CG I find the picture I showed was infact a DS80 points stator and a TS100 cdi stator which explains the 3 mount holes/ points and similarity. TS185's never had points either so I figured it wasn't TS185 ;) The stator plate is a bit smaller than the early TS125 but I'll need to try it for a fit in the cases to satisy my own curiosity. It may well work with a few minor mods and the flywheel taper is correct so that's something...

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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2009, 08:21:18 pm »
if theres a few mm in it you can alwways machine down the OD of the plate so if fits the cases.

all you need is the stator, flywheel, ignition coil and CDI unit. The advance unit is all electronic with in the CDI unit.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2009, 09:00:29 pm »
ss2fly - do you want to run something better than a 6 volt 25/25 W headlight? do you want 12 volts?
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2009, 09:22:37 pm »
this is the stator for 1981 TS125ERX Australian model. i think NZ would be the same
coil 5 pulsar
coil 3 lighting
coil 4 primary

This bike has a battery so from what i can gather there is tap wire coming out the middle of the lighting coil 3 which changes the battery. I still have to confirm that by going through wiring diagrams. Or Doc can pysicaly check his 125 ER stator and look at how many wires come out of the light coil.



now im just looking at the Haynes TS manual and there is a diagram of  TS 125 ER US models and its the same as above except coil 4 is a charging coil for battery and on top of that is what they call ignition source coil (primary coil) they still have coil 5 which is the pulsar coil.
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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2009, 09:52:24 pm »
Ok unless you want 12 volts i would go with the one of the 81 TS125 ER type stators. which will give you you about 25 to 30 watts @6 volts AC for head and tail light. Then there is a trickle charging circuit for small 6 volt battery. Because of the trickle output no regualtor is used, but i believe that the headlight on off switch is posibly configured so that when the headlight off in day time the battery isnt over charged or that may have only been on the 70's models. Its complicatrd so i wont go into it here.

Its is possible to to convert the lighting circuit 12 volts but because of the type os system it is its not quite as straight forward as it sounds especially if you want to keep a battery circuit. I have modifyed my TS185 ER stator by getting rid of the battery coil and fitting another light coil off a 12 volt TS185 ER but a early 6 volt coil could still be used. I linked both in parrallel and it gives a decent amount of power for lights now. The catch is i no longer have a battery or blinkers. if i really wanted to i could have blinkers without a separate battery circuit, by either using filtered AC using a bridge rectifer or AC flasher unit, but this type of set up will only work well with LED globes in the blinkers. any way im probably going to be confusing you soon?.

other possible option is to see if a TS125 ERZ (1982 air cooled motor, full floater suspension) stator will fit. They are a 12 volt system straight up and use a modern type regulator rectifier. Unfornately i havent got a decent clear digrame of that stator but it cas the coils arranged in a cross type pattern and there is either 3 or 4 coils im not sure yet. UK had these models and i thin australia did. NZ did. USA didnt have any TS's after 1981. These 12 volt air cooled motor TS 125ER's contined into the 90's in some countries. i saw on on NZ trade me a while back. but dont get them confused with the water cooled TS125 X which came out in 1984 or the water cooled TS125R which came out in the late 80's

at this stage i think its gonna be a matter of go to wreckers and checking out what physically fits, or otherwise be prepared to buy a few different stators till you find out what fits, which could end up costing dollars.

the problem is with the TS125's is that thers that many different models and different countries had different version and ran different magnetos and some countries continued running the older model bikes longer than other countries while they instead had the newer models.



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Re: TM250 stator plate diameter
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2009, 10:03:27 pm »
here is a TS125 ER, which looks to be 1990's or newer, but updated from the first ERZ full floater in 82 being that it has a safety seat and newer square headlight.

i would try and find a stator and flywheel off one of these.
This bike was in New zealand.



this is the manual im looking at



http://www.haynes.com/products/sfID1/8/sfID2/9/sfID3/77/productID/504
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