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Re: Wacky inventions
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2007, 01:25:46 pm »
boost bottles look cool & were very Sano back in the day - what other reason do you need to use them , who cares if it doesn't improve the power - you FEEL faster with trick bits on your bike


Have a look under the bonnet of a modern fuel injected 4 cylinder car, they have "Boost bottles" on the inlet to the fuel injection. Zit the same principal? Does it work on four stroke bikes too? It seems it's just another way of adding more volume.

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« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2007, 07:13:14 pm »
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The bottle that you refer to in a car is a Helmholtz Resonator. These have nothing to do with performance persay, rather they are tuning device to counteract the induction boom that is produced in an intake manifold. Removing them does nothing more than create noise's / vibrations in the engine with no change to the performance. In the case of the Yamaha Boost unit, i am not sure what they were specifically designed to do, i am guesssing something different to a Helmholtz.
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« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2007, 08:04:35 pm »
In my expereince boost bootles smooth out the power without increasing the power. A very simple experiment; ride along with a peg in the left hand and squeeze off the rubber inlet at various revs with it - thats what I did. I also tried various size bottles.

All pretty inconclusive.

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« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2007, 08:10:06 pm »
The YEIS (boost bottle) was on the bike because when reed valves closed, the inertia of the gas would carry it on towards the closed inlet port, where it would be reflected back into the carb and disturb the gas flow. With the bottle tapped into the inlet rubber inlet manifold the gas would flow up the pipe and into the bottle rather than to the inlet port and be reflected back into the carb. As the inlet port reopened, the gas in the bottle would join the main flow from the carb to the crankcase. The time required for the gas to fill the bottle was such that the process was only effective for engine speeds below about 6000rpm. And for the YZ250G thats where their was a flat spot on power so for the YZ250H the boost bottle cleaned the problem up.

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« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2007, 08:17:36 pm »
hi djracing...thats very interesting reading.ive got a yz250h without the boost bottle.its got the reed cage and tank off a g model..dont ask me why it was like it when i bought it...but i have noticeable flat spot in the mid range when on the gas.any suggestions on how to cure it....any remedies.cheers...

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« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2007, 08:27:50 pm »
Dont shut it off :o ;D ;D ;D.

You can buy the rubber manifold new (reproduction) and fit a boost bottle. You could use a old yammie shock resoviour as the bottle, if it is a gold anodised it will look trick. Other than that a change of needle but then you would have to measure the needle at the point that the flat spot is and find a needle that will be better.
I have a spare YZ boost bottle and hose if that is any help to you?
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« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2007, 08:38:35 pm »
i just fitted up a brand new manifold thinking that was the problem cause the old one was sort of cracked and worn...havent tried it yet to see if its made a difference but ill also try a different needle as well to see how that goes ...if that dont fix it well i might have to get that yz boost bottle and hose off you....you are goin to classic dirt arnt you.... ;)

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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2007, 08:48:15 pm »
Re-jetting with a needle for a specific area is pretty hard. Unless you have had alot of experience and knowledge of needles you can just move the problem to a different rev range.
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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2008, 03:48:48 pm »
Answer Roost Boost! ::)

I’m surprised no one mentioned these yet. Anyway heres some back round info and what the box says.

- a solid state ignition power booster that turns a standard ignition into a works ignition
- easy installation. Standard ignition wires plug right into the roost boost leads. No cutting soldering or modification necessary.
- will not overload or damage production ignition or CDI unit.
- developed on the GP tracks of Europe
Race Proven, developed and used throughout the 86 european grand prix & USA nationals & supercrosses by the worlds fasted racers
Features include.
-delivers a boost of power throughout the total RMP range
- easy bolt on installations, no modifications, plugs right into your ignition within minutes.
- will not overload or damage your ignition or CDI unit.

How it works.
The roost boost is a solid state ignition power booster that turns a standard ignition into a ‘works ignition’, like the factory works bikes use. This is done by changing the shape and duration of your ignition spark.

Its no secret that the factory riders use ‘works’ ignitions or heavily modified stock ones on their ‘production based’ works bikes. Answer Products is proud to be the first US company to offer this patented ‘works’ technology to all riders!
The roost boost was developed and tested on the European grand prix circuit since 1984, by moto-stars Jacky Vimond and Davey Strijbos. Now manufactured in the US by Answer racing, the Answer roost boost is used on the machines of the top riders like Bob Hannah, Jonny O’Mara and Alan king!

Ok  this was first developed by a company called Fischer in Europe in about 84 I believe and the packet says ‘ Fischer design’ and then Answer got hold of this technology. I think these are the similar sort of thing as a ignition device made by ‘Fischer Systems’ and use to be sold by Trevor Flood Gasit Motorcycles in Australia.

I approached this with an open mind and wanted to find out more about these. I’ve heard comments saying they do nothing at all or there was no noticeable difference or they do work and you can notice an improvement, or they give a 5hp increase in power or all they do is increase the RMP by 500 or 1000rpm. I was tending to think that the people who didn’t notice a difference had other faults with their bike eg, worn engine, poor jetting etc and therefore they didn’t notice any improvement because the rest of the bike wasn’t running spot on. I thought if it did do something increasing the RPM range a bit would be about it.

US dirt bike Magazine says ‘for $52.00 you get a noticeable improvement with no drawbacks’
Dirt wheels Magazine says ‘ the roost boost  is the most cost effective modification you can make on your machine!’

So I wanted to know what exactly was inside these things and if they were a universal thing that just have different colour wires for different bikes to make it a simple bolt on thing. My thinking for this is with a top end rebuild pretty much any one can do one on a 2 stroke but when it comes to electrics and wiring a lot of people can become very confused by this and don’t understand electrics. Answer knew this so they wanted to make it a simple bolt on thing so they needed to have the right colours for each bike so the average person with no knowledge of electronics could hook one up. That was just my thinking but maybe they were built different inside for each specific bike.

The roost boost fits in line between the stator and CDI unit and is connected across in parallel.  So there is wires going in and then wires going out. I wanted to know what electronics could possibly be inside that could make such a positive improvement. It sounded a little too good to be true but surely they do something I thought. I connected a multi meter to see what that said. They were giving a resistance measurement and several were about the same ohm reading. I decided to pull one apart and see what’s inside. After a bit of digging I couldn’t find nothing, more digging and still nothing. I was becoming a little shocked. Eventually I got it all apart and found one single component and that’s all! All that was in side was one heavy duty ceramic resistor with 3 orange bands and a gold  which means a 33 K ohm resistor. That’s all it was!. I was surprised.

This one resistor was connected in parallel across the wires going from the stator to the CDI. So basically its in parallel to either the primary or pulsar coil or both, I haven’t worked that out yet. So how could this possibly give an increase in power? All this works technology is, is just simple 50cent resistor!. very simple and not complicated at all! My thinking is this- in theory when you put more windings on a light coil you get a more resistance and more power and can run a brighter globe. So if since this resistor is connected in parallel to one or both the coils on the stator plate this does a similar thing and increases voltage and this then goes into the CDI unit and then makes makes more power and maybe somehow increases the RPM range and giving a HP increase. I don’t know. Whats other peoples thoughts on this? Maybe there is some one who has some knowledge on ignition systems and can explain exactly how these are ment to work.

ive got one for a late 80's YZ 490, maybe someone can borrow it and do a test report and report back with what they find out!


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Re: Wacky inventions
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2008, 06:01:56 pm »
There is a product on today's market fleecing the unwary(vowel feline if you want to know ;)) I reckon it would be more likely to be a capacitor.This linked in the trigger circuit would have the effect of retaring the igniton at higher rpm, thus the performance improvement.
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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2008, 10:18:37 pm »
Good work mythbuster LWC. Sounds a lot like that magic box Brocky was pushing many years back.
With the magazines claims of performance with their testing you have to wonder about every other product you read about in the magazines (except GMC in VMX of course ;D)
Pushing the advertisers dollar is more inportant for them & they would never dream of exposing a high profile advertisers scam in a modern mag.
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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2008, 10:33:14 pm »
yeh, Brocky lost a lot of Cred' with the "Energy Polarizer"

What was he thinking?
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Re: Wacky inventions
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2008, 10:52:48 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2008, 10:56:53 pm »
 Then followed it up by making special ??? Australian spec....Bloody shitbox Russian abomination Ladas...pushing them in more ways than one........ got an "energy polariser" somewhere as an ornament, paid $3.00 for it complete at a "get your own part "car wreckers. Should put it on ebay and might even get the $3.00 bucks back maybe not ::)
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« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2008, 11:17:33 pm »
Sign it with a fake brocky sig and " love life" tag and ill reckon youll see $150 for it !
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