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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2009, 08:52:42 pm »
I think you can just plonk around on ride day and enjoy these old bikes a whole lot however if the competition 'bug' still bites then there's nothing other than 'bike' time that's going to improve your 'lap' time.  ::)
So I've come to the inescapable conclusion that to do a lot of bike time with the least amount of fuss, forget trying to practice on your old clunker. There's just too much heartache involved in wheeling them out every week, taking all morning to start the thing and getting 'psyched' out by some 16 yr old on a sweet handling modern 4 banger. Then there's all the dramas of what's broken, trying to get the parts etc, etc, blah, blah.
If you want to do some regular bike time, get an early 2000's two stroke 250 and just ride the shit out of it. Wash it, do the air-cleaner and next week, ride the shit out of it again! Once a year put a piston kit in it for about 200 bucks and occasionally do the linkages.
Your confidence and fitness will go through the roof and after a while you might even give that 16 year old twerp on the four-farter a run for his money.
When you line up against your 'fellows' on race day they'll be flabberghasted by your increase in speed and your clunker will need little work to make it ready for the next battle!  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2009, 09:06:40 pm »
I think you can just plonk around on ride day and enjoy these old bikes a whole lot however if the competition 'bug' still bites then there's nothing other than 'bike' time that's going to improve your 'lap' time.  ::)
So I've come to the inescapable conclusion that to do a lot of bike time with the least amount of fuss, forget trying to practice on your old clunker. There's just too much heartache involved in wheeling them out every week, taking all morning to start the thing and getting 'psyched' out by some 16 yr old on a sweet handling modern 4 banger. Then there's all the dramas of what's broken, trying to get the parts etc, etc, blah, blah.
If you want to do some regular bike time, get an early 2000's two stroke 250 and just ride the shit out of it. Wash it, do the air-cleaner and next week, ride the shit out of it again! Once a year put a piston kit in it for about 200 bucks and occasionally do the linkages.
Your confidence and fitness will go through the roof and after a while you might even give that 16 twerp on the four-farter a run for his money.
When you line up against your 'fellows' on race day they'll be flabberghasted by your increase in speed and your clunker will need little work to make it ready for the next battle!  ;)


Exactly the words I was looking for. 8) best of both worlds  :P
Love ya ,knew you had it in you all the time .....doing us proud Ross.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2009, 09:10:05 pm »
Golly! (blush)  :P

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2009, 03:35:54 am »
Wonder where my girlfriend is now?

Greame she is in the shed mate go and ride her  ;D

On a serious note though, I dont get the time to ride as much as i would like and i was not to good way back then or now, but after pretty much 20 years away from bikes,,,,, I rode in my one and only Vinduro to date, I would recommend highly if you can find the time to ride in as many as you can, there is no pressure to go hard or get taken out by someone, just hours of riding time at your own pace, I know it's not vmx but it's still good riding time and with others that came from the same era which is a bonus.

Just my thoughts

Cheers Mick.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2009, 11:20:07 am »
You just have to laugh at it all. I hadn't ridden for 30yrs and last year i got hold of a 1974 MX360A, and away we went down to Narrogin.  The wife (Christine) said, please be careful, just ride it like a "Nanna".  Well let's say she hasn't had to worry cause I ride it like a "Nanna with a zimmer frame". 

But do I have fun hell yeah, even though i can't ride on Sunday and can't walk on Monday.  But the funny thing is that the wife has taken up photography and instead of being my "Pit Bitch", she's out there with an SLR camera leaving me to die alone when i come back from a race.  She then has some of the photo's placed on the VMXWA website along with our other photographer Alison, funny that they are both females cataloguing our pain and humiliation, though they never caught my brilliantly executed one and a half with tuck over the handle bars, would have scored a perfect ten (thank god for full face helmets)

She has even forced me to take her to the "King of Wanneroo" with a heap of UK and irish Superbike riders and then next week to the Australian Historic Road racing Championships, just so she can take photo's.  I'm hoping she forces me to attend Phillip Island this year

Maybe it's not the fact of how fast or slow I am, it's how much fun "we" have.  She even enjoys camping in the freezing rain (when we get some) on the Saturday night, just enjoying the atmosphere of VMX in WA oh and the port!!!
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2009, 12:36:37 pm »
For me a day long trail ride with a few good mates is as good as it gets anywhere anytime. Always had a great time at any event I've attended but it isn't really my natural habitat ;)

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2009, 01:27:03 pm »
Yep, much the same story from me.
When I was young (up to late 20's) it felt odd when a weekend would go by & I didn't ride. Now it feels odd when I do go for a ride on a week end.
I usually manage 1/2 dozen rides a year but for what ever reason 08 was a crap year & I don't recall getting out at all.
How hopeless am I,
well I have my own private track just outside my workshop door :o

When I was young old people would tell me how quick the years go by when you get old. Never believed them until I got old myself. I'm also facing the big five O this year & about to have another mid-life crisis :o

At the end of every year I swear the next year will be different. I was inspired by the pushbike thread, got some quotes to fix my Diamond Back ( the tyres & grips are all perished) borrowed a bike for my son & had planned to do some rides. With the hot days we had recently that plan went out the window.
Recently picked up an 87 KX 250, the plan was it would be low maintenance bike & would help me get "riding fit" again, much like Ross suggested.
Hardly had time to look at it. I had the work experiance kid here on Thursday so I got him to clean the carby make a few adjustments & fuel it up.
Took it for it's first ride to discover it's got no bloody 3rd gear. Just another neutral with nothing but grinding / rumbling noises. I can only imagine all the dogs have broken off.
Bugger, another plan out the window untill I find time to split the cases.

I believe doing things that can keep you fit are a definate benefit, so that when you do get on the bike you have the energy to try things the way you intend to.
But, as they say, theirs no substitute for experiance.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2009, 02:19:54 pm »
I have to agree with Tossa.  Because of work I will only get 2 meets this year - real pisser that is because I thoroughly enjoy the social atmosphere of our club as well.  However the formula we use over here (WA) suits me down to the gound and on the day whether I am riding A grade fast (not really likely but since we were doing a bit of mental racing.......) or back of the pack one of my mates is there to race with which is all that matters - regardless of whether it's 1st and 2nd we are arguing over or 21st and 22nd.  But boy because I ride so infrequently don't I look funny at work on the following Tuesday and Wednesday walking down the hall like I have ridden one of those mechanical bulls for a week and a half!!!!!  I would like to weigh a little less (!!!!!!) and be a lot fitter so I could ride for logner and harder and better etc etc etc but I just keep aiming for it not matter how difficult it is coz I really don't want to give up.

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2009, 05:44:14 pm »
Gotta go with Rosco. Only change is a 125 in place of the 250.
You can pick up a good 99,00,01,02 125/250 from one Japanese manafactures for less than 2K. Spend another $500 on the consumbles and you'll have a bike that will do a years plus riding and never need to touch it other than maintenance. It is great training for the old girls and saves the wear and tear on them. I say a 125 because it makes you ride clean and you have to find the clever lines. The 250, like the 450 4T can make you a little lazy. Last year i ran a 00 RM125 and this year the bike will be a 1998 60HP Husaberg FC600 - Go figure.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2009, 11:19:28 pm »
All sounds llike you guys need some trail time? Yeah I know easier said than done but sell it to the missus like "well, you know I don't play golf (hope you don't? - what a waste of  good MX track!) and don't booze up at the pub on a sat arvo with the mates, etc etc" (or get a new missus?) Then convince her to let you buy a traily and away you go - instant bike time.

The best thing I reckon have done is ditch the boring WR250F and picked up a cheap as chips 05 KTM 250EXC. The little jigger rips and is a ball to ride with none of the linkage bullshit like the Yammy and a FAST two stroke to keep you connected to your roots.

My problem is more my stupid fire brigade shift work which seems to clash with anything that involves fun (ie trial riding when my mates are going) but I am planning on doing as much as possible this year. Life is WAY too short.

For all of us old farts - draw some inspiration from the old guys featured in the last VMX - that was cool !

See ya out there in HEAVEN

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2009, 09:34:32 am »
Owning the trail bike isn't the problem, getting the time to use it is...

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2009, 12:45:15 pm »
Yep - time is certainly the issue !

I wonder if it might be an idea if the clubs run a pre season ride day or weekend so all the sorting and stuff can be done without the race day 'pressure'

Another problem is even when you get time you normally (and safety wise) need someone to ride with. Because of my shift work I miss alot of weekends and then there is no one left to ride with M - F - that means wasted days to  me.

Anyone with a registered traily in Sydney looking for a mid week ride?

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2010, 02:32:46 pm »
I went searching for the words  "King of Wanneroo" Road Racing and found this old thread  ;D

I just don't get the time to ride. 

How you going this year get some ride/me time Graeme ??
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2010, 03:08:32 pm »
I've been tackling age versus riding head-on since start of year, as there are so many recent good things out there like Classic Dirt, Honda BBB, Vinduros ... enough to get fit for.
 
   This is what I've been doing.   I am 54.

1. Exercises in lounge.   Only 25 minutes in a session.  I always use the same small set of dumb-bells.   (I never change the weight up; only upping the reps) 
I believe in keeping the sets small, so it doesn't feel daunting when it comes time to do it.   Sometimes I do them at midnight, when all jobs/kids chores done and this is free time.
If you stay consistent, it starts to add up.  EG: 25 by 3 sets of sit-ups, twice a week = 150 situps per week, or 7000+ a year.

2. Timing - i try to do exercise three times a week.   Never two days in a row ... always have a day off between sessions.   I try to include one aerobic session every week or so(swimming or jogging on soft beach)
I also believe strongly in motor-twitch skills.   I have a half-round big ball (it has a flat base) which you stand on.   It's incredibly unstable, and my ankles/feet twitch and shake to try and keep balance. 

Why?   I can feel the old fogies syndrome in my body, as far as coordination and balance ... that I am losing it.  Sometimes it can be tricky, just getting up from a table.

3.   I practise on a 5-year old unloved WRF 250, about once every five or six weeks.

4.   I ride first two or three laps in third gear only, at approx. 3000 rpm.   Sometimes the bike is nearly stalling in slow corners.   Ride slow ... check the lines ... have a think

5.   After those three laps, I decide where I maybe want to shift back to second, and start to gas it a little.   Then build on each lap's speed.

6.   I used to ride too hard, and hit a lot of bumps and things - always wound up winded (and sore for days) if I tried to do a whole lap fast.   I recently learnt to back off, and ride about 85% pace.   Yesterday, doing this, I rode 30 laps in a row.

7.   Cool down.   I ride one final lap almost on idle, as a cooling down period.

8.   Body weight.
A/   If I'm not hungry, I don't eat.
B/   After 28 years of shop coffees on a daily basis, I switched to skim milk coffee in the cafes.   I lost about six kilos and 1.5 belt notches in about two months.

9.   I just bought the prescription inserts off Goggleman, so finally have responsible, clear vision.

10.   I take joint pills (Broke both ACLs six years ago).  Still not sure about them, so I go off them for a month every so often ... trying to suss out the placebo effect.

11.   I don't do vintage races any more.

PS:   Bahnzy must have some good tips - I reckon he rode ALL Saturday and ALL Sunday long at CD7.   Rode and rode and rode.
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2010, 03:24:55 pm »
That's some list Doggy and I can identify with each point, except maybe #11...

Alison, my riding this year has been not too different to last year. On average, I think I ride once per month. I rode CD7, then I think it was a HEAVEN round at Lakes in August, then again here in Canberra a couple of weeks ago, and next will be HEAVEN at Canowindra in October. I find a race day is a bit of a funny thing - it takes me all day to get used to riding again and I don't have any pace till the last race.

In any case,  I am physically exhausted after about a lap.

I have no idea how some of these guys do it. I train a little - 20 minutes on the stationary cycle most evenings, 20-30 mins weights and stretching every second evening, watch my food and weight etc. But I cannot ride for more than a lap or two at race pace. I watch guys like Snowy and Noel who seem to do every race on the program, at the pointy end, and I am amazed that they can do it.

At the last race in Canberra I adopted a new approach. I go for the holeshot (and actually got it in one race), ride hard for a lap, then back off to my 'comfortable' pace. Sadly comfortable is slower than anyone else there! But it's fun so it's my new race strategy.

I'd love to find the time to ride more often. As a young bloke I rode every day, went trailriding or racing every weekend for years. Nowadays, I can go months between rides. It just aint right!

I consulted the figures the other day and I can retire at 60. So, the plan is to do lots more then...