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The Sheetmetal Worker
« on: January 11, 2009, 12:51:13 pm »
Those of you who are sheeties, boilermakers or work in the metal trades in general might get a nostalgic smile out of this. IOh for those great old pre occupational  health and safety days. Not a pair of goggles or an "idiot proof" machine guard in sight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69dAG2cYkDA

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Re: The Sheetmetal Worker
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 01:20:52 pm »
The very same year they were getting bombed and shot at by Japs,Krauts and wogs so i don`t figure a piece of sheetmetal in the eye was anything to worry about

But , like you i miss the simpler ways just to make a quid

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 01:54:46 pm »
 Cool,  Thats inspired me to go out the garage an start beating some metal around  ;) Damb beer fridge's out there  :P

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2009, 09:41:11 pm »
G'day viewers my son Tom starts his apprenticeship as a sheet metal worker tomorrow 12/1/09 I'm real happy  ;D  8)  ;) jimson
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 10:17:52 pm »
Good on ya Tom ,well done jimson
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 11:02:35 pm »
This how it's done in 2009, Wasp you can see why I want a black belt in Solidworks

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iaJnetmfizc&feature=related

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 11:05:48 pm »
G'day viewers my son Tom starts his apprenticeship as a sheet metal worker tomorrow 12/1/09 I'm real happy  ;D  8)  ;) jimson

Congratulations Tom,the world will be your at your feet when you have finish,Enjoy.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 11:25:56 pm »
As much as Solidworks and other CNC programs are undoubtably the new way of doing it , I truly hope that young Tom learns all of the old fashioned manual marking off skills and hand tooling skills shown in the 1942 video and that I learned as an aprentice. All the computer power in the world can't replace a good tradesman.......Go for it Tom, it's a great and interesting trade with all sorts of future job potential.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 06:38:42 am »
Well said Firko , we have two of those Solid Works  wizzards in YSS . Its great , its fast and we would not be where we are without it. But .... . first you need the Idea , then you need the scetch and when its all designed and prototyped , you still need the old tradesman to finish the product off. So one without the other is a very slow process. The future problem will be , where do the old tradesmen get their expirience from ?

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 06:48:00 am »
ENGINEER IDENTIFICATION TEST;
You walk into a room and notice that a picture is hanging crooked.
You...
A. Straighten it.
B. Ignore it.
C. Buy a CAD system and spend the next six months designing a solar-powered, self-adjusting picture frame while often stating aloud your belief that the inventor of the nail was a total moron.
The correct answer is "C" but partial credit can be given to anybody who writes "It depends" in the margin of the test or simply blames the whole stupid thing on "Marketing."
SOCIAL SKILLS
Engineers have different objectives when it comes to social interaction.
"Normal" people expect to accomplish several unrealistic things from social interaction:
*Stimulating and thought-provoking conversation
*Important social contacts
*A feeling of connectedness with other humans
In contrast to "normal" people, engineers have rational objectives for social interactions:
*Get it over with as soon as possible.
*Avoid getting invited to something unpleasant.
*Demonstrate mental superiority and mastery of all subjects.
FASCINATION WITH GADGETS
To the engineer, all matter in the universe can be placed into one of two categories: (1)things that need to be fixed, and (2)things that will need to be fixed after you've had a few minutes to play with them. Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems. Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.
No engineer looks at a television remote control without wondering what it would take to turn it into a stun gun. No engineer can take a shower without wondering if some sort of Teflon coating would make showering unnecessary. To the engineer, the world is a toy box full of sub-optimized and feature-poor toys.
FASHION AND APPEARANCE
Clothes are the lowest priority for an engineer, assuming the basic thresholds for temperature and decency have been satisfied. If no appendages are freezing or sticking together, and if no genitalia or mammary glands are swinging around in plain view, then the objective of clothing has been met. Anything else is a waste.
LOVE OF "STAR TREK"
Engineers love all of the "Star Trek" television shows and movies. It's a small wonder, since the engineers on the starship Enterprise are portrayed as heroes, occasionally even having sex with aliens. This is much more glamorous than the real life of an engineer, which consists of hiding from the universe and having sex without the participation of other life forms.
DATING AND SOCIAL LIFE
Dating is never easy for engineers. A normal person will employ various indirect and duplicitous methods to create a false impression of attractiveness. Engineers are incapable of placing appearance above function.
Fortunately, engineers have an ace in the hole. They are widely recognized as superior marriage material: intelligent, dependable, employed, honest, and handy around the house. While it's true that many normal people would prefer not to date an engineer, most normal people harbor an intense desire to mate with them, thus producing engineer-like children who will have high-paying jobs long before losing their virginity.
Male engineers reach their peak of sexual attractiveness later than normal men, becoming irresistible erotic dynamos in their mid thirties to late forties. Just look at these examples of sexually irresistible men in technical professions:
* Bill Gates.
* MacGyver.
* Etcetera.
Female engineers become irresistible at the age of consent and remain that way until about thirty minutes after their clinical death. Longer if it's a warm day.
HONESTY
Engineers are always honest in matters of technology and human relationships. That's why it's a good idea to keep engineers away from customers, romantic interests, and other people who can't handle the truth.
Engineers sometimes bend the truth to avoid work. They say things that sound like lies but technically are not because nobody could be expected to believe them. The complete list of engineer lies is listed below.
"I won't change anything without asking you first."
"I'll return your hard-to-find cable tomorrow."
"I have to have new equipment to do my job."
"I'm not jealous of your new computer."
FRUGALITY
Engineers are notoriously frugal. This is not because of cheapness or mean spirit; it is simply because every spending situation is simply a problem in optimization, that is, "How can I escape this situation while retaining the greatest amount of cash?"
POWERS OF CONCENTRATION
If there is one trait that best defines an engineer it is the ability to concentrate on one subject to the complete exclusion of everything else in the environment. This sometimes causes engineers to be pronounced dead prematurely. Some funeral homes in high-tech areas have started checking resumes before processing the bodies. Anybody with a degree in electrical engineering or experience in computer programming is propped up in the lounge for a few days just to see if he or she snaps out of it.
RISK
Engineers hate risk. They try to eliminate it whenever they can. This is understandable, given that when an engineer makes one little mistake, the media will treat it like it's a big deal or something.
EXAMPLES OF BAD PRESS FOR ENGINEERS
* Hindenberg.
* Space Shuttle Challenger.
* SPANet(tm)
* Hubble space telescope.
* Apollo 13.
* Titanic.
* Ford Pinto.
* Corvair.
The risk/reward calculation for engineers looks something like this:
RISK: Public humiliation and the death of thousands of innocent people.
REWARD: A certificate of appreciation in a handsome plastic frame.
Being practical people, engineers evaluate this balance of risks and rewards and decide that risk is not a good thing. The best way to avoid risk is by advising that any activity is technically impossible for reasons that are far too complicated to explain.
If that approach is not sufficient to halt a project, then the engineer will fall back to a second line of defense: "It's technically possible but it will cost too much."
EGO
Ego-wise, two things are important to engineers:
* How smart they are.
* How many cool devices they own.
The fastest way to get an engineer to solve a problem is to declare that the problem is unsolvable. No engineer can walk away from an unsolvable problem until it's solved. No illness or distraction is sufficient to get the engineer off the case. These types of challenges quickly become personal -- a battle between the engineer and the laws of nature.
Engineers will go without food and hygiene for days to solve a problem. (Other times just because they forgot.) And when they succeed in solving the problem they will experience an ego rush that is better than sex--and I'm including the kind of sex where other people are involved.
Nothing is more threatening to the engineer than the suggestion that somebody has more technical skill. Normal people sometimes use that knowledge as a lever to extract more work from the engineer. When an engineer says that something can't be done (a code phrase that means it's not fun to do), some clever normal people have learned to glance at the engineer with a look of compassion and pity and say something along these lines: "I'll ask Bob to figure it out. He knows how to solve difficult technical problems."
At that point it is a good idea for the normal person to not stand between the engineer and the problem. The engineer will set upon the problem like a starved Chihuahua on a pork chop.


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Re: The Sheetmetal Worker
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 06:55:00 am »
That sounds familiar  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 10:31:36 am »
A good read is a Kevin Cameron article(available in a book called TDC a collection of his columns from Cycle World)  called "Old World Craftmanship" will dispell any myths about old and new skills.
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Re: The Sheetmetal Worker
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 02:15:46 pm »
The Engineer has a dream, the Tradesman makes it a Reality.

 

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 02:39:49 pm »
i'm with you old fart.

Tradesmen rethink/rectify the problems that engineers create that don't work.
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Re: The Sheetmetal Worker
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 06:02:02 pm »
Thanks for the congrats for young Tom. He said no computers in the work shop just some big ass lathe the size of a big car  ;D THAT WILL COME IN HANDY  ;D I think he spent the day polishing stainless as they do a lot of work for boats  :) jimson
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