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Offline Marc.com

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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2009, 10:33:26 am »
I'm with Bill. As much as I've been critical of blinging up vintage bikes using billet triple clamps and inapropriate non era swingarms, here's a great example of a trick hot rod vintage bike that uses era specific parts. Too cool.

I can understand where your coming from Firko, but for me the era performance parts are where its at, Simons, Fox, Thor its addictive like hell. So normally I start with buying something cool like a swing arm and building the rest around it. I find stock NOS restorations as dull as ditch water, it has always been about building better mouse traps.

I think the RM370 is nice combination of 250 zap and open class grunt.
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2009, 11:29:23 am »


and this is where it is all heading.....ahhhh

Bloody nice bike Mate !
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2009, 11:41:57 am »
not mine unfortunately, but I have all the bits and mine is getting closer
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2009, 02:13:30 pm »
the rm 370 whats the go with them
i luv em took me 3 years to find one
and i will never sell her :-*
tell me this back in 76/77
the starting grids were full of them
were are they all now ???
mine was the only one at cd5
and currently i am the only one racing one in qld
so were are they, parts do not come up very often on ebay
its nearly a rm370 phantom ::)
anyway i am happy i have got mine ;D ;D
what are you thoughts on this ???
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2009, 03:24:13 pm »
its because the 370 is up against the pre 80 bikes in most cases and the late 80 bikes will wipe the floor with you. So if you are after pre 80 MX domination or to win then you will buy an HL500 ;) or perhaps a Maitgo.

However, if like me your memories as a kid includes seeing Peter Ploen and Miller duke it out at Whakatane, then you will want to own one anyway.  ;D
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 11:25:17 pm »
we dont have pre 80 here
its evo or pre78
i would back my 370 against any pre 80
pre 80 maicos were not that good  :o
honda didnt have a big bore ::)
kawasaki didnt have a big bore ::)
suzuki had rm400 :)
yammy had yz400 :)
husky had cr390 :D
hls were not around  :-[
but a modified rm370 would definatly run with them
dont underestimate them ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2009, 07:52:12 am »
Pre '80 Maicos were not that good  ??? ? Your kidding Holeshot aren't you ? The '79 Magnum 400/440 was supposed to be the best handling Maico ever & with equal ability riders , would eat an RM370  ;). I think that a '79 CR390 Husky would too  :). As far as HLs go , I have never seen one win a race ( except for maybe against other HLs ) . I have only ever heard of one winning a race & that was the '77 Luxembourg GP .
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2009, 08:31:15 am »
yep if you are running pre 78, then it is the only bike to have, Suzuki virtually gave you what Roger was riding.  ;D
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2009, 08:44:12 am »
For pre '78 open class , the RM370 would be my 4th choice , behind the '77 CR390 Husky , Montesa VB360 & Maico AW 400/440 .

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2009, 08:47:53 am »
I was just about to ask that question Mark. I thought the Maico and Husky may have been better than a RM370 but the RM was definately more popular and cheaper.

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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2009, 09:13:11 am »
Its another example that shows that just because a certain brand is more popular & sells more bikes , doesn't necessarily mean that model bike is any better . I think that a standard '77 RM370 was lagging behind the opposition at time  as it had a fair bit less suspension travel than the Euro bikes . I think that the dark horse in the pre '78 open class is the VB360 Montesa , as it was way ahead of its time & came standard with 10 inches travel at both ends ( compared to the RM370's 7.5 to 8 inches ) . My '77 CR390 Husky is one of my favourite bikes , even though they are a bit of an ugly duckling . I have ridden a few AW400 Maicos & thought that they were pretty good too .

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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2009, 10:19:31 am »
Its another example that shows that just because a certain brand is more popular & sells more bikes , doesn't necessarily mean that model bike is any better . I think that a standard '77 RM370 was lagging behind the opposition at time  as it had a fair bit less suspension travel than the Euro bikes . I think that the dark horse in the pre '78 open class is the VB360 Montesa , as it was way ahead of its time & came standard with 10 inches travel at both ends ( compared to the RM370's 7.5 to 8 inches ) . My '77 CR390 Husky is one of my favourite bikes , even though they are a bit of an ugly duckling . I have ridden a few AW400 Maicos & thought that they were pretty good too .
A+ ;) ;D. The conflict between 'VMX racing' and history and an example of 'the law of unintended consequences', not that anyone would want to 'game the system' to rewrite history or for personal gain :).

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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2009, 11:12:49 am »
In the case of NZ, Suzuki was promoted and supported way better than any other bike, Colemans were the best importers, riders and then some, so the Suzuki's were the most popular.  They also won a lot on both sides of the Tasman. Not taking away anything from the other Euro stuff.

Stock suspension on an RM is pretty academic as the shocks usually were the first things to go.
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2009, 11:35:54 am »
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pre 80 maicos were not that good
Holy Moley, that's a bit of a statement! I realise you have this thing about Maicos Holeshot but to say they were not that good is funny  ;D. I was living in the US during that period and the open class hot setup for the average local racer (as opposed to the pro hot shots) was either the Husky 360 or Maico AW400/440. I don't think many bikes would have beaten an AW440 in a drag race to the first trurn in 1977. There were a few Suzukis winning CRC races at my local tracks, Corona Raceway and Saddleback Park but they were usually pretty tricked up DG or Fox hot rods. For motocross I'd put the RM370 in thiird place and in the desert it was Husky or Yamaha and little much else.

I agree with Mark that the VB 360 Monty was a very good bike that was sadly overlooked by the majority because of the big push the media were giving the Japanese products. Bultaco were making good bikes with a dated engine, CZ were gone, Yamaha were getting pretty close to getting the mix right, OSSAs day was over in a similar scenario to that of Bultaco, CCMs were fast but fragile and expensive and in the real world only used as blingy play bikes by advertising execs or drug dealers. KTM was emerging as an entity of its own after losing the Penton logo and produced a gem in 1977 with the very fast 360 but unavailability and high cost kept them away from the average punter.

As for the HL, I have a number of differing thoughts about them. First as a part of MX history. In 1977 Yamaha went against the two stroke domination with an underfunded Swedish Yamaha entry in the 500 championship. Bengt Aberg won the Luxembourg GP and placed in a few more for an overall very successful first year. At the end of the season Yamaha HQ in Japan refused funding for the '78 season because they wanted to concentrate on the cheaper to produce 2 stroke YZ line in racing. If serious GP team funding had been allocated you can bet that more GP wins would have occurred and history (and Magoo) may have seen the HL in a different light. Today, the HL has morphed into two distinct styles that have nothing to do with the different frames(ProFab or NV/GMC). A high proportion of vintage racers build their HLs to Evo class specs by fitting overly long post 1980 41mm forks and longer shocks creating a tall and odd looking machine that necessitates a milk crate to mount and produces an strangely awkward riding posiition. I wish more HL punters would build their bikes to the original pre '78 suspension standards which not only transform the looks of the HL but brings the geometry back into the original design concept. If built to the pre '78 9" travel limit (or the 10" the class should have) I reckon the HL would be the class gun. In evo spec, as most repro HLs are, they just don't cut it against the Maico/Yamaha/Husky two stroke onslaught.
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Re: RM370 progress
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2009, 04:41:01 pm »
I hate HL's. In my opinion they are the ugliest, most over rated, glorified farm bike montrosoties ever built. Frankensteins monster is an oil painting compared to a HL! I guess we all have different tastes though, some guys like fat sheilas for christ's sake. Anyone with me?
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