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what's my old bike worth?
« on: December 23, 2008, 05:54:08 pm »
well now that depends..a few posting of late has left one pondering...example..

a perfectly good resto'd TM400 gets passed in for $3850US and then there's this local XR75 that's not even original or a full resto attracting bids which would purchase something like that TM or a u-beaut RM400/370/250/125, CR500/250/125, KX500/250/125, YZ490/250/125 the list goes on but you get the idea. Keep in mind the reserve on the XR has not even been met! ::) It's not the actual bike or how good it was that dictates the price but moreso how much sentimentality is involved with potential buyers ;) I don't really believe this model is a great investment longterm as I believe the interest will decline once the generation who are now in their 40's and 50's grow older. Maybe I'm wrong, not getting personal but anyone got a crystal ball?  :D

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-1973-XR75-K0-Matching-numbers-mint-XR-75_W0QQitemZ130276405945QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item130276405945&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2008, 06:41:47 pm »
It's the old story Doc ...if you have a coulpe of bidders who want the bike badly, it becomes a bidding war. As far as how much is it worth FN - varies day to day - and a shit load has something to do with the MOON PHASING  ;D

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Re: what's my old bike worth?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2008, 07:26:25 pm »
Gees they can have my 1973 SL70 that really is original, complete, running and fun to ride around, for lets say a cheap offer over $3000 USD! ..... ;).  :DTell um to post a message here...... Cheers Tim :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: what's my old bike worth?
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 07:50:50 pm »
EBAY
IS IT JUST ME
OR HAS ANYONE ELSE SEEN BIKES
GO FOR A SILLY PRICE
ONLY TO TURN UP 3 MONTHS LATER
FOR SALE AGAIN ???

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 08:07:54 pm »
Yeah i've seen that a few times from the same seller in Vic.

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 09:51:01 pm »
Yes it  is not just you. Sometimes the seller states a reason but Hmmmm others are very suss.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 10:17:51 pm »
Many E bayers have more than one account which they use to bid on their item, as well as having friends etc bidding up the price. I know i guy who always puffs the price this way.  I've seen some strange bids on cars and bikes. Tell 'em their dreamin'!

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2008, 08:12:26 am »
Doc in regards to the XR75 K0 not being a good investment , go out and buy the latest motorcycle retro mag in which I think is of equal quality to VMX mag and theres roughly about 10 pages on the grandfather of XR's ,over the last few years theres been big write ups in VMX, Motorcross journal and I even remember seeing a great article in a Aussie Minibike mag only a couple of years ago on the XR75. Theres allot of big bore VMX bikes that havent had as much coverage in these types of mags as the XR75, every one of them states the XR's were the bike that started it all for a whole generation of dirt bike riders and was Honda's first real dirtbike, I think it is a worthy bike be it a minibike to be put into the collectors catagory along side those bikes you mentioned. XR75's do have heritage on there side as not only as a play bike but also as a serious race bike back then. People think "small bike small money" ," big bike big money" which shouldn't be the case.     

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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2008, 11:27:28 am »
oh I see where you're coming from miniwheels. The XR did put a lot of kids bums on seats over a couple of generations. I don't have a problemm with the bikes commanding big money but the bikes should at least be rare. The XR75 Honda is not a rare bike although in the the condition of the nice KO pictured they are harder to find. They basically remained unchanged in the early years and they wearn't the be all and end all of minibikes but they were the first mini that was a true scaled down version of larger machines. I can appreciate the value of any bike, mini's in particular, I own 7 or 8 minis myself I would not part with any of them. 1 of these is an XR75 but what I don't understand is why the big bucks for such a common bike..sentimentality has to be why not so much the collectabilty. My question is will the sentimentality fall off after our generation passes which get's me back to my comment of I don't feel they are a good long term investement. Short term they appear gold but long term I am not so sure. I love mini's but I would not pay over $2k regardless of year, model or make. Horses for courses. There's a beaut Beamish RL250 on ebay for less than the XR75 and although neither of these bikes really interest me a great deal I'd be going the cheaper RL as being the more collectable although the markets presently states otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2008, 12:26:07 pm »
Doc i think the XR75KO is collectible because it was the first one and this bike has already been restored at some time. It costs a fortune to restore an XR these days because of the rarity and prices of NOS parts. The '73 and '74 XR75's were the bike to have in those days and they dominated mini racing. I wanted one so bad at high school cos all my mates had them but i ended up with a brand new TM75 instead which started my love affair with Suzukis in the 70's.
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2008, 06:48:47 pm »
No worries Doc, everybody's has there opinion and its great you see the other side of the debate. For me theres nothing better than people coming up to you and sharing a story about there racing days on a XR or saving up there hard earned from there paper round as a teenager for a year and so on to get there dreamed XR back in the good ol days, to me for example a RL250 doesn't have that same effect as an XR that people can relate too so hence I think the price of the RL ?????.Over the years I have met plenty of father's my age (48) that have had father/son project XR's they have rebuilt as there sons first bike that I reckon will carry the torch in the future for the XR so to speak. K0 XR's in original condition aren't that common anymore especially in Australia as much as you may think, it took me 5 years of searching to find a good one about 7 years ago.
If you think a K0 XR is over the top in price just wait until an original Jeff Ward C&J framed XR75 comes up on Evil bay in the USA ,I think the winner will have to mortgage his house!!!!!.
Merry Xmas.

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2008, 08:48:07 pm »
THE XR 75 WAS ONLY DOMINANT
UNTIL YZ80C
STILL OK 3 YEARS AT THE TOP
MY FIRST REAL BIKE WAS GT80B

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2008, 08:56:22 pm »
In Juniors,  I had TM75.  then my neighbor got XR75,  then I got YZ80C.  Then we both moved to YZ125 C,X,D,E's

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2008, 08:13:05 am »
yeah I gots to admit I am a little biased, my first real bike I purchased was a new RM80B. Many of my friends had XR's and I had a K2 breifly in the early days but I just couldn't get overly caught up in them. I'd already owned a TS100 for 12 months and I couldn't justify spending my hard earned cash on a mini that was slower than the bike I already had hence I bought the RM80. I had experience with the GT80 yams but found the wheelbase too short which made the bike too twitchy at speed. Same goes for the MC1-A 90 kawasaki's. The TM75 and SL70's, which I'd also ridden quite a bit I'd never really considered because of their 'non real bike' design and woeful suspension and power output. The quickest mini's I'd ridden pre RM days was a Deckson Eagle and an Indian 80 with the indian having a hands down win in the handling department. YZ80B/C were around but these too didn't have quite the zap or peakiness the RM80 had. Jeff Wards XR might go for heaps and but it carries somewhat more history than a regular resto hence it will sell accordingly. In theory it's a 1 off and a very well known 1 off at that. More akin to buying a genuine factory racer rather than something 1 once owned. I honestly do love minis. Right at this moment I'm in the middle of an RM50N rebuild. I said I have 8 or so mini's but I don't have any kids whatsoever to ride them so that kinda states my affliction towards the minibikes is not based on a father son project of interest but a genuine liking of all things little ;D My XR won't be a stocker by a long shot  but will be very typical of the mid 80's era since it's fitted in a YZ80K chassis ;) $2K for a mini is about the max I'd go but then $2k for anything is my limit so it's not like I'm picking on the little beasts, just the ones I consider a little overpriced :P only local exception to this rule is the scaled down mini's KB pumps out of his workshop such as the (XR) HL80 replica recently shown on the forum. A far cry from a stocker from any year but in my eyes far more appealing and desirable also 8) 
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 04:57:16 pm »
This is interesting, especially Doc's comment on the generation thing. I also think that high prices will drive a lot of people to cheaper alternatives.  I was keen on getting an egg yolk yellow SL70 because I was on a nostalgia trip as it was my first bike. Now that there $3,000+ do I still want one just to scratch a nostalgic itch.  Uuumm .. no.   I saw a mint unrestored one in the states and have the photo, that's enough.

I was talking to a guy at a swapmeet recently about Kawasaki Z1900's. He wanted one but the prices where too high, so he bought one of the new Eddy Lawson replicas for less money. He said it go's better than an old Z1 and when he gets nostalgic he just goes and looks at a Z1 which is what he was doing when I spoke to him.

I've recently had a big debate with a mate of mine about this topic. He collects and restores old Harley's. He's fastidious on using original parts. No repo stuff for him. Even if he builds a '48 custom he will only use genuine period correct custom parts that where available in '48.  I told him that I wonder how the value will hold in the longterm future when the guy's who are into them now are too old to care and the next generation wont care or wont and can't pay the big dollars. Most of his bikes are worth around $30,000 to $50,000 each.  He got a bit upset and told me it would never happen, and that if he sold his bikes he would ship them to Vegas and put them in the auction to catch the big fish.  But what happens when everyone sells their old bikes and flood the market with them?