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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2018, 06:41:01 pm »
Keep in mind that  the word "Alloy" is a term that means a mixture of elements, we all commonly refer to Aluminium alloy as 'alloy' so dont confuse it with titanium alloy which is also mixed with other elements for best effect.

Coating the alluminium would make sense
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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2018, 08:10:51 pm »
I have made some Tit discs for go kart dudes . Was going to make some for my own chrome trolleys , but never got around to that anymore . It does save a lot of weight , especially on a big disc , performance is OK . However you can not use sintred pads .
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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2018, 05:48:50 am »
GMC - you are correct about Titanium - I should have checked the rule says:

12.13.0.1 The use of titanium in the construction
of the frame, the front forks, the
handlebars, the swinging arm, the
swinging arm spindles and the wheel
spindles, is forbidden unless OEM. The
use of light alloys for wheel spindles is
also forbidden unless OEM. The use of
titanium alloy nuts and bolts is allowed.

So brake parts look ok

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2018, 10:21:19 am »
l wonder if the rules about titanium are for cost reasons or safety? l remember there was a safety issue with axles.
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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2018, 10:53:41 am »
l wonder if the rules about titanium are for cost reasons or safety? l remember there was a safety issue with axles.

Not to sure on the reason but I know if it isn't machined correctly with sharp corners and the like it is very prone to failure.

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2018, 11:23:43 am »
dont forget the F1 and GP teams have been playing with all this stuff for yonks so they will have discovered all the reasons why things arnt done

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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2018, 12:42:04 pm »
it was for safety
 http://www.ma.org.au/licences-rules/rules/bulletins/?hilite=%27titanium%27
heard a story about a bloke Proddie racing (rgv days) who pulled the gusts out of his rear brakes because he didn`t use it plus would save weight etc. all good until he went thru scrutineering

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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 05:05:34 pm »
Thanks Micks,  that is part of MA I did not know about - a good resource

Some Googling:

Strength (and hardness) is inversely proportional to ductility; this means the greater the tensile strength (and hardness) the less ductile and more brittle is your material. Since it is already established that Ti alloys (like, Ti-Al-V) have high values of strength, it follows that they would be hard but brittle, which means while it would require greater stresses to fracture a Ti alloy than say Aluminum, once that stress is reached, a Ti alloy will instantaneously fracture and fail, unlike an Al alloy that will plastically deform significantly before failing.

What is peculiar about titanium and its alloys is that even very limited amounts of other elements, in quantities that in steel would be acceptable as impurities or would be beneficial, particularly oxygen and nitrogen are detrimental for toughness. Titanium is a sensible fella. He embrittles very rapidly if you allow him to oxidise or pick up other elements (he tends to pick them all up and by the way that’s why he's so difficult to machine, he has a tendency to allow other elements to diffuse into itself very easily).

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Re: Alluminium disc rotors, your thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2018, 12:24:45 pm »
Hey Guy's,

l've been thinking of making an alloy rear brake disc for either my dirtbike or roadracer. l don't use a rear brake overly hard; vertially never on my roadracer, plus l don't like a savage rear brake.

l was thinking that alloy might have a lower friction coefficient plus be much lighter (less unsprung weight and all that), yeh it would wear out quicker but eh?

Idea's on what grade alloy; less chance of shattering or warping?

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