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E-bike
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:17:18 pm »
Contemplating to buy a E-bike . Anybody here that has one or has experience with them ? What to look out for ?  Thanks
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 07:48:03 pm »
No but interested
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 08:54:23 pm »
ALTA do a model called the Red shift. Some interesting stuff on their website and U Tube

KTM make an electric version of the Freeride (actually the 350 and 250 Freerides are based on the Freeride E).
Same frame as mine, about the same weight and power rating but can't be stalled. I'd love to try one

There's a good clip on U Tube with two guys on Freeride E's and one of them (the one with the helmet Cam) makes hid own engine noises.
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 09:17:18 pm »
i belive there is an e speedway bike as well
but go for one of the e bikes that race at the iom

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Re: E-bike
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 07:09:09 am »
This is a cool clip  shows some advantages  https://www.facebook.com/enduro21official/
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 09:15:48 am »
What is the best combination of  Watts , Volts and  Ah ?  That is the confusing bit , when you have grown up with HP .
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 09:41:21 am »
What is the best combination of  Watts , Volts and  Ah ?  That is the confusing bit , when you have grown up with HP .

Watts is the same as HP or atleast both are power measurements. Roughly speaking 750 watts equals 1 hp.
Anything that runs from batteries is going to be more efficient the higher the voltage and motors that are brushless are more efficient than brushed.
 

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Re: E-bike
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 10:25:15 am »
That is  I was looking for . Thanks . The more Ah , the longer the range , right ?
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2017, 12:32:29 pm »
Going back to my old power tool days i remember telling customers the following . Voltage is like HP so lets say 12 volt is a 4 cylinder car and 18 volt is a V8.  With Ah, a 3.0 Ah battery is like a 60 litre fuel tank while a 5.0Ah battery would be like a 100 litre fuel tank.

So for maximum power and distance you would select a 18 volt/5.0Ah  tool.

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 02:55:30 pm »
That is  I was looking for . Thanks . The more Ah , the longer the range , right ?

That is correct.

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2017, 08:12:26 pm »
What is the best combination of  Watts , Volts and  Ah ?  That is the confusing bit , when you have grown up with HP .

Electrics is pretty simple V= R x I (Ohm Law) Volts = Resistance (in Ohms) x I (current or amps)
Generally you can have high voltages (like in a Taser) but only 20mA is enough to stop your heart. Amps are sort of like torque from a IC engine.
 P= I x V Power(in Watts/kW)= Amps x Voltage.

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Re: E-bike
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2017, 10:20:44 pm »
What is the best combination of  Watts , Volts and  Ah ?  That is the confusing bit , when you have grown up with HP .

Electrics is pretty simple V= R x I (Ohm Law) Volts = Resistance (in Ohms) x I (current or amps)
Generally you can have high voltages (like in a Taser) but only 20mA is enough to stop your heart. Amps are sort of like torque from a IC engine.
 P= I x V Power(in Watts/kW)= Amps x Voltage.


Huh, never realised electrics was that simple. The electrical engineers of the world will be shattered now their secret is out...

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2017, 11:35:43 pm »
The significant difference with electrical power in a rotating machine is that maximum torque is at zero RPM as long as the current can be supplied (hence the name traction drive). This is the complete opposite of IC engines.

The OHMs law triangle only holds true for basic 'pure' DC circuits. AC is a completely different kettle of fish as power factor (lead or lag) comes into play while frequency and wave shape adds another major game changer.

Many modern drive systems use drives at higher voltages such as the ZERO bikes that use up to 150V battery packs while Tesla cars use 375V packs. The higher voltage allows a much higher charge density. The most advanced motors are an AC/DC compound motor. The stator is AC so the frequency and speed can be infinitely controlled while the rotor is DC to give maximum torque and braking controllability (is that a word).

The electronics will make your eyes water. DC-AC inverters, frequency drives, regenerative braking, torque mapping. A well set up electric drive could easily ripe a frame to pieces due to the massive torque that could be generated.

AH is a basic measure of battery capacity which needs to be considered along with maximum deliverable current, voltage and cell design. You can have a 5.0AH battery at 12 Volts but its maximum deliverable current may be 5amps while another may be a 5.0AH 12V battery with maximum deliverable current of 20Amps.
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Re: E-bike
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2017, 09:19:05 am »
I couldnt afford to run an e-bike. Could you imagine the mountain of baked beans or eddies chilli you would need to eat just to hit the sweet note for the exhaust????

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Re: E-bike
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2017, 10:59:07 am »
DC power if safe up to 60 volts after that it will fry your ticker if you get tangled up with it hence a few people getting killed due to dodgey solar installers and live roofs