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Offline gus58

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« on: June 20, 2016, 12:12:35 pm »
How do u blokes remove oxide from alloy? Best method?

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2016, 01:24:13 pm »
There are a number of different methods, it really depends on how bad it is and what sort of alloy it is

sanding/polishing
bead blasting
hydro blasting
mag wheel cleaner such as Septone 'Alibrite'
or this http://www.californiacustom.com.au/products/view-product.php?product_id=1
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Re: Oxide
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2016, 02:54:20 pm »
caustic solution @ 60 degrees C

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2016, 06:53:15 pm »
mag wheel polish and good old elbow grease, works well ;) ;D

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2016, 06:58:13 pm »
Depends what you mean by oxide?

I clean up dodgy alloy with a spray of oven cleaner, the caustic kind, followed closely by a scrub/rinse then polish, pllish etc.....

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2016, 07:53:56 pm »
Do not use any potassium or sodium hydroxides unless they are very dilute & handled with care!!!

Any free hydroxide will rapidly attack & digest white metals such as aluminium or magnesium.
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Re: Oxide
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 08:20:04 pm »
I use heavy duty Easy Off oven cleaner to strip off annodsing. It works really well and is quick.
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Re: Oxide
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 07:33:02 am »
I use a wire wheel on a drill.Non of my bikes are show worthy as you can probably tell.

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 01:33:34 pm »
Warm caustic soda solution to strip anodising/oxide and then 2 grades- brown then green of scotchbrite linisher belt then polish is qick and effective for me.
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Re: Oxide
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 10:03:45 am »
If you are only trying to give the engine, wheels and other alloy bits a bit of a scrub up start by going through the usual degrease, CT18 (truckwash) prep, then try good old Ajax and elbow grease. Tool up with a bunch of different brushes including small ones and bottle / gun brushes for fins etc. The acid based mag wheel cleaners (normally phosphoric acid also used in rust conversion) and other aluminium cleaners do a great job but can have post wash streaking and over time the acids they are based on will strip zinc plating which no-one ever considers. Even Ajax has very weak alkali content (sodium bicarbonate - MUCH safer that caustic soda / sodium hydroxide that will leach the fats out of your skin) but relies on fine abrasives (quartz). Whatever you use above must be really thoroughly washed off and blown dry to help stop white 'blooming'.

Check this MSDS for Alibrite.
http://www.septone.com.au/pdf/msds/Septone%20Alibrite%20SDS.pdf
I was considering using it as a prep product for blasting badly corroded jobs until I read what is in it. Hydroflouric Acid is seriously dangerous stuff !

For a full resto and if you want oxide GONE the only way to remove all of it is vapour / hydra / vaqua / wet blasting. If you are unfamiliar with vapour blasting it is done in a sealed cabinet using a slurry of fine glass beads supended in a stream of water which cushions and lubricates the beads and washes away removed debris. I've had guys bring me parts where they have tried all the usual 'cleaners' and have been blown away at the end result which can include different finishes for different applications. These have included jobs previously soda blasted with grey patches still showing and have had corosion return as bad if not worse than before (remember too that soda blasting deposits straight sodium bicarbonate - an alloy attacking alkali).

To do a proper job the engine, wheels etc should be broken down but I have reluctantly blasted whole engines however prefer not to as they are harder to do in the long run particularly if they are large, as opposed to individual components, and there is always a risk that blasting medium can find a way in no matter how much prep has gone into plugging things up. If getting someone to blast your parts ask what knowledge they have, and what precautions they take regarding protecting threads, oil galleries and other sensitive surfaces form their blasting ( I don't see the point in blasting bearing journals and bores just because you can). Also insist on seeing some of their work and do some homework as some shops are actually using fine angular grit or combined grit and bead, not straight glass bead in their cabinets!

Whatever you choose to get the engine looking better, if the surfaces aren't protected in the long term the corrosion will slowly return and I get annoyed when I see blasters advertising that the process protects parts from oxidising. Vapour blasting will greatly reduce return of corrosion by micro peening the surface of castings closing the granular structure so the claims are partially true but don't believe blasting will stop what is a natural chemical process.  It doesn't matter whether the bike has been scrubbed clean or vapour blasted, aluminum and oxygen have a strong affinity for one another so if precautions aren't taken a gradual degradation will occur (take heart though - for most of us it has taken the bikes thirty plus years to look crappy and restored bikes get pretty well looked after). If you can't keep the bike bone dry a light spray of CRC 5-56 between rides will create a barrier and keep your ride looking good. Further if you have severe and deep corrosion there is a product called ACF50 which is used by the aviation industry that will penetrate deep into the alloy and stabilise it.

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2016, 03:09:04 pm »
I use straight deisel to stop corrosion and seems to protect everything quite well.Makes my bikes shiny too so I dont have to restore them ;).

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Re: Oxide
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2016, 08:58:15 pm »
Whatever you choose to get the engine looking better, if the surfaces aren't protected in the long term the corrosion will slowly return and I get annoyed when I see blasters advertising that the process protects parts from oxidising.

Yes, I was always led to believe oxides form on the alloy as soon as it comes into contact with air so what ever you scrub off immediately returns and this thin oxide film actually protects the alloy from corrosion. Of course it sometimes gets out of control due to the elements.
TIG welders work in AC for alloy and this is due to the lifting of the oxide layer to enable a controllable weld pool.
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