Global warming - I don't get it?

[shelpi]

Im luvven this, no comment as yet its been said for me, but put it this way I am an ecologist and go with the just in case your wrong theory that's why we are putting it back cos it wont hurt if we are wrong
besides I like critters

[Mike52]

I had lost interest in this subject a while back because I don't see the predictions coming true and I wonder.

I wonder if there is such a big problem then why are we building more roads in Brisbane , why is the rego on Honda Todays so high.
Logic would say that we ban cars from the city and everyone rides Honda Todays on cheap rego.
I wonder why the sea level looks exactly the same as it did when I was a kid.
I wonder about the photos  in the Qld Museum from the 1800's of huge crocodiles caught in the Logan and Clarance Rivers.
I wonder about the flood height marked on the Customs House in Brisbane from the flood in the late 1800's which is Meters above anything since.
As I said before I wonder why my electricity use has gorn down when it was apparently the hottest year on record . [ Don't seem logical ]
I wonder why the hottest hay ever recorded in Australia was in the 1960's and not in the last couple of weeks.
I wonder why I got re-involved in this argument.
Wonder why it's raining every weekend up here , haven't been riding for weeks now.

 Dry today think I'll go for a ride on my Xr400.
Cheers.

[shelpi]

I had lost interest in this subject a while back because I don't see the predictions coming true and I wonder.

I wonder if there is such a big problem then why are we building more roads in Brisbane , why is the rego on Honda Todays so high.
Logic would say that we ban cars from the city and everyone rides Honda Todays on cheap rego.
I wonder why the sea level looks exactly the same as it did when I was a kid.
I wonder about the photos  in the Qld Museum from the 1800's of huge crocodiles caught in the Logan and Clarance Rivers.
I wonder about the flood height marked on the Customs House in Brisbane from the flood in the late 1800's which is Meters above anything since.
As I said before I wonder why my electricity use has gorn down when it was apparently the hottest year on record . [ Don't seem logical ]
I wonder why the hottest hay ever recorded in Australia was in the 1960's and not in the last couple of weeks.
I wonder why I got re-involved in this argument.
Wonder why it's raining every weekend up here , haven't been riding for weeks now.

 Dry today think I'll go for a ride on my Xr400.
Cheers.
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just my opinion
forget all the stats and shit
get on a plane go for a fly look out the window and see how much its forked up
its a lot
ride ya bikes have fun, plant a tree help critter

[Paulos]

I'd rather err on the side of caution and get the pollies to work for us rather than the big corporations who support their election campaigns.

[Mick D]

Yes Mike, I entirely agree, I had way lost interest too, long ago. I just want to live and enjoy myself. I am sick to death of hearing it. I have to force myself to take time to listen.

That's why I had missed that about rising sea levels. Had no idea, until you and Graeme M put up linked factual data.
That is all I am trying to do, keep an open mind to process the claims, data and findings. I would rather go on with blissful denial, but I cannot anymore.
A significant rise in sea level would be a dramatic effect to me, but it would also displace the bulk of global population.



I, like most on this forum am way closer to the end of my life span. Not the beginning.
So does that make it OK for my personal strategy to be a selfish point of view;

It may be the case, that my lifetime will be over before a rising sea level has flushed our coast.
So why should I could give a toss if those west of me get a couple of degrees warmer, stiff luck. Do you think I should care? worry about you? I don't love any of you. Although I have made a few very good friends among you. Is it OK if I just care about me and mine? Thats what most do. Is that a moral point of view?

Having descendants makes this issue my business and my problem!

My grand children will not be able to have a say in the future of their planet until 14 and sixteen years from now.

I would be morally bankrupt and totally delinquent in my duty of care to my young if I did not live out my life with an open mind, on their behalf. And the very same goes for the rest of you!

Like Shelpi and Paulos say "makes more sense to Err on the side of caution" on this one.

Now this is why it would be fool hardy not to be concerned.
Move over, incoming! big time Is there anyone who doesn't see how important this graph is to this issue?


So, personally if I were to live as long as my Grandfathers, I will be sharing this home with nine billion others

Yes I believe in some things, I believe it is rational to clean up our mess as we go and get real busy right now lowering our per-capita emissions, even if the big karhoona isn't around the bend.
Because one thing for sure, what is around the bend, is another two billion polluters.
This alone will be a massive challenge for mankind and our planet. During our lifetimes!

Brace yourselves.
 


 

[shelpi]

I'd rather err on the side of caution and get the pollies to work for us rather than the big corporations who support their election campaigns.

Niether can be trusted just saying, look at history, its power to the people on this one! and cant help feeling the shits gotta go down big time before we come out of this one (hope Im wrong)

[Mick D]

 butt Just little bits of pollution are quite ok, hey. It will disappear down the drain hwy next time it rains hey?










  :'( I do not want our young growing up to think that irresponsibility is OK

Brazil!



Wouldn't be tolerated an our shores. So if its not on our shores, its definitely not our problem? Laughin, away scott free so far.













That is why I had put up the post that got removed.
It was an analogy about when things go pear shape? how when the pushers of the poison become miss-handlers of poison. They always step sideways, get busy looking for a scapegoat and do their best to deny involvement, cause and liability. 
The greed of human nature always tries to pass the buck and the mess to those least able to defend themselves.

[reg]

just love your work Mick, big thumbs up from me bud 

[Nathan S]

It's notable that climate change scepticism rose hugely at the time the Carbon Tax was introduced...

Which shows how we are, collectively, allowing our (perceived/short term) self interests to shape our thinking - moreso than the science.

[Rossvickicampbell]

the Bougainville one is certainly not a case of a mining company walking away from their responsibilities - civil unrest meant people had to leave in a BIG hurry.  Would still be running today but for that.

[Mick D]

the Bougainville one is certainly not a case of a mining company walking away from their responsibilities - civil unrest meant people had to leave in a BIG hurry.  Would still be running today but for that.

Yes you are dead right! short memory on my part.

Thanks for alerting me, I'd better go back quickly and edit that out.

Thank you.

[Lozza]

the Bougainville one is certainly not a case of a mining company walking away from their responsibilities - civil unrest meant people had to leave in a BIG hurry.  Would still be running today but for that.

Which ended up with the infamous "Sandline Affair". 

[Sorelegs11]

MMM Rising sea level - Take all of those boats out of the water as they are displacing to much of it.
Cabon Trading - if I go to bed early and use less power can I go out and burn 40 litres of the good stuff in my bikes this weekend?

On a serious note, transporting millons of tons of minerals from one side of the world to the other and turning it to ash over a period of over a 100 yrs must have some effect on the balance of the big ball at some time or another.

[FourstrokeForever]

Faark.....the pics of those animals with guts full of cigarette butts makes my blood boil. I really do detest any littering....Why people (I use the description lightly) can't manage to take care of their rubbish in a responsible manner is just plan faarked up. It's not that hard to put your butts or take away rubbish in a garbage bin or in ya pocket if you have to. I wonder if these grotts do the same thing in their own yard 

I even see it at MX events were rubbish ends up all over the paddock that someone was good enough to let us ride at.....is it any wonder that land owners don't want hoards of people on their property?

On a brighter note, I reckon anyone who restores/re-uses anything old should get carbon credits. After all, were are saving "stuff" from going to landfill and negating the need for high polluting companies to keep on manufacturing "disposable" crap.

[Tony Two Times]

Yep. Take cars for example. The best thing to do for the environment is not to buy a brand new Prius. But to buy a second hand junker. The energy used to build the Prius far outweighs the energy used to keep the junker on the road.

So we VMXers are "green" by default.