2016 MoMS an interpretation from MA Office

[KTM47]

First off why did I start a new post

I didn't want what I had to say confused with the other posts which are already at 7 pages and no I haven't read them all because most of them are wrong.

When I read the slightly changed Evolution class rules I emailed MA and basically asked the following.
Question in blue answer in red.



I have read the new Evolution class rules and despite the hysteria that I'm sure will occur I think I could live with them provided the following is clarified.

Does "13.14.6.2 Modifications converting later equipment to comply will not be allowed." mean that machines that do not comply with 13.14.6.3 (the three main rules) when they came from the manufacturer can not be converted to

a) No linkage suspension

b) No disc (note spelling) brakes.

c) Air cooled motors.


i.e. if someone can convert a single shock linkage bike to the class this is what the majority of riders don't want.

Morning Kevin


Yes you are correct. Under this rule you cannot modify a later model single shock linkage machine to twin shock.

Kind regards,



I also asked about what components can be fitted and yes you can fit others provided you don't have to modify them to fit them.  ie "J" model Yamaha forks are fine because they fit straight in.

Just another point the PWK Kelhin carby has been legal for a while under the old rules.  I have one on my Maico now and yes the MA office said it was legal.
 

[KTM47]

Now lets stop the hysteria and get on with it.

If you want to know what you can use email MA.

[John Orchard]

Still 'grey area' as far as I'm concerned  :-)

[KTM47]

Just another point.  I'm suspect MA is getting feed up with the amount of time CMX/CDT takes up. If you want the class to survive I suggest everyone backs off several notches.

The frakenbikes can't, I repeat can't be used.

[Nathan S]

"Later model" now clearly means 1990 and later. This is indisputable, when you read the words.

Any "we think it means..." emails from anyone within MA, are worthless until the matter is tested through the MA system (this goes for any issue, not just this one).

And if it requires an explanation beyond what every punter can read in the manual, then what's in the manual is obviously rubbish.

[KTM47]

For forksake Nathan let it go, the bikes can't be converted to EVO class.

Your turn now you love to have the last word.  I'm stopping now.

[William Doe]

Just another point.  I'm suspect MA is getting feed up with the amount of time CMX/CDT takes up. If you want the class to survive I suggest everyone backs off several notches.

Well theres an easy fix to that isn't there , whose working for who ? must be a real pain in the arse for them when the people who pay their wages are taking up their time 

The frakenbikes can't, I repeat can't be used.

[William Doe]

[HeavenVMX]

I am sorry to say Kevin but your email is not worth the paper it is printed on. As usual we are back to interpretation at the track by some official. How you interpret the rules in the way you have is difficult to understand. Even your question to MA is open to interpretation.

MA also have a process to offer interpretation of rules so that all officials and riders get the same message and a short email to you is not part of that process.

It is disturbing that you have suggested that MA have indicated that they are sick of talking about CMX/CDT because we are taking up too much time. Can we quote you on that? Last time I looked my licence cost, rider fee, permit cost etc etc is exactly the same as MX, HRR, RR etc.

Can you give out the author of the email you are holding? I notice you have removed it. Also the person that suggests we should back off would be helpful?

[Graeme M]

Just a reminder to all to keep comments directed at the rules themselves, rather than imputing motives or intent to anyone or any organisation. That is partly to be fair to all parties and partly to limit fallout in my direction. Thank you.

[FourstrokeForever]

Should everyone interested in the Evo rules send an email to MA to ask for clarification on what you have posted here as gospel Kevin?

Fair dinkum, I'm sure a class of 6 grade school kids could write a more concise set of rules for Evo than that which MA has come out with.

In a nutshell, there should be no need for any interpretation of the rules. It should be spelt out, word for word, exactly what is and what isn't allowed. SIMPLE

[KTM47]

Just a reminder to all to keep comments directed at the rules themselves, rather than imputing motives or intent to anyone or any organisation. That is partly to be fair to all parties and partly to limit fallout in my direction. Thank you.

Thank you Graeme

If you doubt what I have posted email MA.  Also please note something from MA is just that from Motorcycling Australia not an individual.

[Nathan S]

And that's the problem: it's like going to the doctor's, and getting medical advice from the receptionist.

They might be right, they might not be - if you want THE answer, then it needs to come from the only person truely qualified to give it.

[Momus]

And that's the problem: it's like going to the doctor's, and getting medical advice from the receptionist.

They might be right, they might not be - if you want THE answer, then it needs to come from the only person truely qualified to give it.

Ahhh.. but what if the Dr. decides you need to see a specialist?  That will be a scrutineer on the day at a particular event.

[Nathan S]

Sure. Still better than asking the receptionist.