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Offline FourstrokeForever

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2015, 06:29:16 pm »
I'm far from Vegan Pokey. I too know where our meat comes from. I just don't see a need to change our country to suit who, at the moment at least, are a minority. And not just for lending towards halal manufacturing, but into such a politically correct country that we can't call a spade a shovel anymore. Unless you are a politician. Having meat processors dictated to by some heebeegeebee muslim is not Aussie in my view. Maybe you're ok with animals being treated like crap to please some religeous belief, but I'm not.
Yes, I have killed and slaughtered animals but it was always done with the least amount of suffering possible, unlike what goes on for halal meat.
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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2015, 06:59:27 pm »
pokey ... I do like my old bikes very much. ;D    quote " old farts who like noisy old smelly dirt bikes..Ive heard some people dont like those either"

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2015, 07:50:06 pm »
Petrol thread....fuel for the flames, just watching 7.30 and they had a story about the beheading aussie jihadist that has his 3 kids over there has been involved in a series of rapes and pillaging of local women and had the kids holding them at gun point and threatening to phone cam them being shot. ...great people. and they are being called "Australians" ....that needs sorting out!
does that POS have "family" still here???

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2015, 09:41:33 pm »
Australia has changed a lot  since my inception in the very very early 60's.
i had a few Poms and a Czech as school mates and a few coori's. Cant remember any Asians  at school and even at high school the only Indians were on F troop. Gay meant happy and dad could have a smoke in the front bar of the pub with a few schooners and mum had a shandy in the lounge.(women weren't allowed in the bar)

Now, its a bit different.My ex brother in law is a poof  but i can call him that as he knows its not meant as derogatory and i accept him for him. Not despise him for being himself. My sons best mate is a refugee from Somalia and there are many different people from many different nations now residing in my small town.Even my  girlfriend is a QueeNZlander as are a few of my mates like that old fart from down the road and I think they are bloody good people. My dad still wont eat any of that foreign muck as he calls it (spaghetti) and hasnt changed from knocking the top off a few chooks or stringing a beast up and filling the freezer.

 Some things change and some things stay the same.There are lots i dont enjoy about this country changing  but lots i do like.

Personally i dont  like halal and dont support it but I do see that some people need it so they can practice their faith and I understand that. i also understand that Judaism requires Kosher foods but some people  despise Jews. Catholicism requires certain rituals to be performed and an abstinence from birth control. lots of people despise the catholic church.Buddhists have a rule of not killing ANYTHING. I dont agree with any of that and will slap a mozzie and run over a cane toad no problem as Im anything but religious or a member of any do gooders society. However, some of my mates are religious and have beliefs and i accept that they believe and respect that.

Its inevitable that Australia will continue to evolve as the world gets smaller and many of the icons i grew up with are sold off and are changed  whether i believe its for the good of the nation or not. if and when the things i dont like pisses me off enough i will voice my opinion in the correct manner and that will be by political means as i have done before. Not just blowing hot air up some ones skirt as that does nothing.

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2015, 10:22:52 pm »
Pokey we can all have an opinion but we can't all act on it. Society enacts a framework of laws that is derived from agreed standards for behaviour in that society. Joe down the street might think it's entirely OK to whip the clitoris off his daughter and he might think that's a jolly fine thing, luckily though for the daughters of Australia our society doesn't agree with him.

Same with lots of other things.

Including unnecessarily cruel treatment of animals. While it is a fact that animals have become a commodity, that doesn't mean we have to ignore the fact that they are also fellow beings. Yes, we take a pragmatic approach to life and kill the mozzies, the feral animals, and sheep and cattle. Thankfully though there are more and more people that think that stuffing animals into ships to go to some far off land to be slaughtered cruelly isn't actually the right thing to do.

I'm no vegan, but I don't think that eating meat means that we have to mistreat the poor sods we eat. For chrissakes, those animals are no different to you when it comes down to it. How'd you feel if it was your kids being treated like that? We kill and eat animals cos that's the way it is but who the hell says we should make it any more awful than it has to be so someone makes a quid?



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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2015, 10:27:56 pm »
Anyways, my point is that I'm dead set disgusted by, and against, Halal slaughter and live export. I'll leave it at that.

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2015, 10:30:34 pm »
what Pokey said  :)

A few years ago an obituary notice was doing the rounds in cyber media.
The funeral was for "Common Scene", yesterday I saw its resurrection/reflection and that was within in our own National VMX sport.  8)
Keep at it folks  8)
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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2015, 08:24:35 am »
Put it another way ..... can we practice our belief in their country.

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2015, 08:49:35 am »
Put it another way ..... can we practice our belief in their country.

Absolutely not. Look at the poor bloke Peter Grester (journalist) (as an example) who is stuck in some filthy jail for allegedly supporting one group or another. No charges, No trial, a kangaroo court and off you go for 7 years because the newspapaer he works for wrote something the government of Egypt didn't like. Is that Democracy?
I'm all for tolerance. As long as those that come to this once great (greater than what it is now) abide by OUR laws and show RESPECT for our way of life. The amount of times I've seen the Australian flag being burnt in some protest about our involvement, or lack of involvement in foreign matters is a disgrace. Try burning an Iraqi flag.....see how far that gets you.
Yep. I'm disgusted.
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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2015, 09:10:25 am »
Friend of mine was the  Halal butcher at the local abattoir here in Qld.

The Abattoir that this guy worked in is an large Australian abattoir run under Australian rules so the animals killed were killed humanely.

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2015, 10:11:52 am »
That news story had a link to the RSPCA website which explains the difference between halal and non-halal animal slaughter in Australia.  The basic halal requirement is that the animal be slaughtered by a Muslim and that the animal 'be alive' (which is a funny thing to say....). 

In Australia, its a requirement that animals be unconscious when slaughtered.  This is normally done through a 'non reversible' stun gun, which renders the animal so unconscious that they generally never regain any state of consciousness through the process to kill and bleed them out. 

The dispensation given to enable animal slaughter here to qualify as halal is that they can use a 'reversible' stun gun.  This appears to mean the 'stun' is not so strong, and which presumably means that some animals (most?) regain some level of consciousness while being bled out.

The full irreversible stun still keeps the animal alive - just unconscious - so why isn't that good enough?

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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2015, 11:50:11 am »
What makes me uneasy about all of this, is that so many otherwise sane people are so keen to make blanket statements about Muslims and how "bad" they ALL are.

Have a look at way various minority groups were persecuted in pre-war Nazi Germany, and tell me that we're not on the same path. No, we haven't gathered up the Muslims and put them all in camps, but have a look at the calls of "send them all back" and the talkback radio rhetoric of "these people" and then tell me that it is really any different to the way the Jews were treated just before the Nazis began to put them in concentration camps...

I am absolutely NOT condoning the f%^kwit behaviour that happens in the name of Islam. I have no tolerance for the repression of women and even less for sanctioned abuse of women. I loathe the violence just as much as anyone. I despise any religion that grants its followers a sense of superiority over the rest of the population. I wonder how its OK to hold up a sign saying "Death to Infidels" in a public place in Australia.

But it makes my hair stand on end when we judge every Muslim on the behaviour of the worst.
Are all Catholics kiddy fiddlers?
Are all dirt bikers teenagers on pitbikes in suburban streets at 2am?
etc.

We are not going to deal with the actual problems we have with Islam while we ruin our own arguments and waste our energy, on bitching about irrelevant crap and unfairly targeting the wrong people.

If you don't believe me, write down a list of the specific issues you have with Islam - and put them in order, from most important to least important. Now look at the items on the bottom of the list and imagine they were the entire list - bet they look pretty trivial...

It is increasingly obvious that we need to do something about Radical Islam, and the violence it brings. But I'm here to tell you that accusing all Muslims of being extremists and complaining about the way Halal certification adds to the retail price, are not even close to being part of the solution.










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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2015, 11:59:53 am »
Well said Nathan
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Re: I'm dead set disgusted
« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2015, 12:37:33 pm »
      Well written but IMO most aussie's are very tolerant and most of what ive read above  are talking about the minority of bad eggs -  as long as they are seen to be weeded out  by "all" fair minded australian's the status quo should prevail - but i'd be thinkin' there IS a line