I'm dead set disgusted

[the farm]

Just read this thread, if the japanese whaling ships continue killing whales in our oceans will we boycott all things japanese? Are whales part of our oz values?

[shortshifter]

They lost in the world court so have already stopped and yes the white one even has an Aboriginal name

[mick25]

If all the animals on our planet had a chance to do what we do to them , there wouldn't be any human race left.
There's a lot of the human race that should hang there heads in shame chickens locked in small cages ,bears etc the lists Gos on.
As for the halal way Australia should stand up for its self it's not our way , so tell them to fork off.

[Nathan S]

Just read this thread, if the japanese whaling ships continue killing whales in our oceans will we boycott all things japanese? Are whales part of our oz values?

Weren't they making moves to start again? Can't recall the excuse for it, but they were aiming for a possible loophole.

[the farm]

 the icj ruling ?only covered the antarctic ocean until march , everywhere else is business as usual including the pacific. I think they want about 330 minkys this year, still i dig my jap vmx bike , jap beer, tepenyaki but not whale.

[Graeme M]

I'm with you Mick. As for bloody whale hunting, it's a shame the world doesn't stand up and tell Japan to just eff off. I accept that humans eat meat, but the killing, torture, cruelty and so on just for that 5 minutes of pleasure is not a fair equation in my mind. Just because the Japs have a tradition of eating whale doesn't make it OK, any more than shark fin soup is OK, or Tiger penis aphrodisiac, or bear bile, or skinned snakes or tortured dogs.
The list goes on...

However, we probably should go back to talking dirtbikes, it's much less depressing!

[Nathan S]

How long does the Japanese tradition of eating whale go back to?
I've heard that it was rare until during or immediately after WW2.

[Iain Cameron]

OK as a Wog import (ex british 1968 arrival ) I like this country In fact I LOVE it and If you new wogs cant blend in or want everything changed to like  the place you came from  why the fork did you leave the piss hole you came from . that's all from me . Iain

[pokey]

Its a buyers market  and the buyer is dictating the terms
 if Australia cant or wont supply it, someone else will.

Brazil have a hell of a lot of cattle
Canada has a lot of iron ore
China have so much coal its not funny


Australia supplies the best quality coking coal in the world yet we  sell it at a budget price because someone else is knocking on the door to supply.
So what if stuff is Halal? As long as I can have a choice not to buy Halal  thats fine in my books.
 i dont give two lumps of goat shyte if someone wants to broaden their customer base , hell i would and so would any business person.

If we dont sell our coal it stays in the ground and people are jobless and broke
 if we dont sell our ore it stays in the ground and people are jobless and broke
 if our cow cockies didnt sell their stock to OS markets how are they going to get paid?

 Business is Business but its good to have a choice and if a business doesnt give the consumer , whoever that is, a choice they lose. Even Henry Ford worked that one out when he bought more than just cans of black paint.

[Graeme M]

Well Pokey at the risk of introducing too much of my personal philosophy, the difference is that coal and iron ore doesn't feel and experience the world in the same way you do. When you make a living feeling being into a commodity, you have taken a step too far in my view. because then it becomes OK to visit utter horror onto a creature that cannot defend itself. When people were treated like that, we called it a Holocaust. When animals are treated like that, you call it expanding our market base.

[shortshifter]

In answer to Nathan's question I remember reading somewhere that the Japanese were introduced to whale meat by the American Admiral Perry when he visited there in the mid 1800s.So the tradition is not long at all.

[oldfart]

ABC  Tv     showed the figures last night of what funds their war machine .....  an eye opener big time.

[Sorelegs11]

Susan Boyles revelation that she was a virgin saw suicide bomb school enrolments drop significantly!

And what of the female suicide bombers who are declared martyrs? Long line of 72 blokes  in that heavenly gang bang..

She would be made to die a long and painfull death a second time for discracing the family as discracing the family is the mans job in the Miuslim world.

[FourstrokeForever]

Well Pokey at the risk of introducing too much of my personal philosophy, the difference is that coal and iron ore doesn't feel and experience the world in the same way you do. When you make a living feeling being into a commodity, you have taken a step too far in my view. because then it becomes OK to visit utter horror onto a creature that cannot defend itself. When people were treated like that, we called it a Holocaust. When animals are treated like that, you call it expanding our market base.

And that Graeme, was (is) what led me to gripe on here about my disgust on how badly Halal certified beasts are treated. Not just OS, but right here in Australia. If they (muslims etc) don't like the way we humanely slaughter our beasts, then bugger off and don't buy it. If they don't like our way of life, bugger off back to the slums. If they can't keep their hands to themselves because they see some beautiful woman walking down the street wearing shorts and a skimpy top, bugger off back to your cloak n dagger lifestyle. And if you think it's fine to kill innocent people in the name of "whoeverthefluckitis", get out of my country now. Gutless forkers

[pokey]

Glass houses boys

Sorry boys but to anyone who buys beef or lamb, livestock is a commodity. Thats why they have sales yards. Maybe im the only non vegan here? Somehow i doubt that.

Speaking of vegans, maybe we should all listen to their point of view on our so called humane method of slaughter.. I dont think they would call it "Kosher" or see it in any different light to "halal".


Seems there are a few points of view on this topic but who is right? Every party think they are right and the funny thing is I agree. Everyone has a right to an opinion, just dont force that opinion on me or ask me to agree with yours. i like choice. orr... are just some people allowed an opinion and not others? Shades of Orson Wells  me thinks.

Can you imagine a world filled with Kawasakis because someone didnt like the way Honda laced the rims? What would the Suzukiphiles do then and dont mention the Yamahites.Throw in the voice from the sidecar crews and then the ladies and its WW3 in the making.

Its a belief system people and thats all, a belief. Same as any other religion riddled with dogma and ritual all designed to maintain the faith and all religions have idiosyncracies that to many others seem  over the top.

Thankfully in this great land we have a pain in the butt system called elections and its those guys who pass laws on how we live in this country. The so called east asian religious groups know this and its who they are consulting to have laws passed that benefit their beliefs.If you dont like it then contact your local member and tell them. after all majority still rules.

if you dont agree with halal, dont practice it and dont buy halal products.Your dollar is all the producers will listen to as its those people who produce the commodity. If there is no demand they wont produce it.if there is a demand they will.... Simplesss.

We may just find ourselves to be a minority in more ways than just old farts who like noisy old smelly dirt bikes..Ive heard some people dont like those either.