Evo Revo

[Nathan S]

Simo63
Im curious to know why you think Dave has changed the rules to suit himself? What is his motivation?

He hasn't changed the rules to suit himself. He's dogmatically stuck by the rules he wrote many years ago, because he is so convinced by their perfection and so unwilling to admit that they could be better.

He's now argued himself into a corner, where they are (apparently) still perfect, but now aren't rules for a VMX class at all.

That's what is killing me - its not about the good of the sport, its about his ego (and yet he calls everyone else "narcissists")...

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Cant you read Nathan......
If you stopped to read the documents for long enough then you would clearly understand what happened. Right now you just don't know what your on about mate - sorry.

[Simo63]

Simmo - make it factual, make sure you are accurate - you know I will defend myself.
Its all a matter of public record Simmo - do you research.

I will Dave as I know you will defend yourself but I can only write it from my perspective.  I do not know of all the goings on and that has led to much of my frustration.  I am more than happy to discuss/debate and even respectfully argue with you on the points around your interpretation of the rules however you have chosen not to do that.  Rather you write stuff, lock threads, call us Narcissistic and Pathetic when we ask questions and for clarification.  That's the disappointing thing Dave, you could have handled this so much better however I know you won't admit that because its now a matter of pride, not fact anymore.

To say that I am bitterly disappointed this has gone to this stage is the biggest understatement you could make. Never before have I been moved to respond like this and I find that I am almost attacking you in response.  That's not how I want to be but all I can do is openly tell you that I think you are so far wrong with your interpretation that you are opening up the class to all sorts of rubbish .. hence my ridiculous PDS KTM suggestion.  According to your written interpretation of the evo rules, such a hybrid bike is evo legal.

[Graham]

Hey, anyone else notice the William Doe, and the Ted have,pulled there heads in as soon as Dave gets on here, does that mean, job done for them, stiring the EVO pot that is,suppose poke the stick enough and yeah get a reaction.    Well done boys

[Digga]

I started this thread & if you go back a few pages & read it, you will see it was a suggestion to accomodate both arguements or factions within the Evo class. As usual, got out of control & the level of bitching has gone through the roof (yet again) to the point that most people I guess are sick of it 

I was only offering a suggestion as a solution, not to open up the old wounds & launch another round table on this eligibilty issue. I have an Evo class bike that I bought to restore to its original condition to the best of my ability & budget. I have not substitued parts here & there but sourced or re-built as per original. Thats just my situation & I race it, have fun & enjoy the whole VMX thing 

So, again, I am not asking to resolve the "issue" but trying to help find a workable solution/outcome.

To steal a process from one design high performance yacht racing (Super Senior Col will relate to this), they hold nats every year, usually in a different state each year & prior to the event (usaully a day or 2 before), state delegates meet to discuss their sport/class, proposed changes, issues etc.

I have never been involved in the actual process but you get to read their minutes etc & the member community are well informed of the outcomes. I have seen changes proposed & introduced to a class that is 80 or so years old & seems to work well (albeit only an annual opportunity to visit the process).

So my point is that maybe this same or similar method could be adopted with the VMX community & a forum could be held the day prior to the CVMX & PCVMX titles with 1 (1 only) delegate from each state + the commissioner or National president or whoever is at the top of the tree? Submissions are formally submitted a month or so prior so that all parties are well informed & the process begins & ends in the one day. Things are either approved or rejected & then usually polished up & resubmitted the next year with no guarantee they will ever get through, but things do evolve.

So just another idea, food for thought about the process, not the issue 

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Digga
good comparison to make - if you ever wondered how I know Colin, he made sails for my wife in the 80s and 90s when she was a sailor in the Olympic 470 class; I was the Australian class measurer (chief scrutineer) and very involved in the process and raced in the 505 class myself. The big difference then was you needed a lawyer in the protest room and we don't want that.
Vicki never went to the Olympics but finished 2nd in the 88 and 92 selection regattas eventually winning the 94 worlds in a Hobbie 16 in France when they were being trailed for the 96 Olympics.
Colin is a 2 x World Sailing Champion - they don't call him the king of the kids for no good reason.
On the VMX debate - would be happy to talk about it when or if you want - send me your # in a PM. What you describe is what we already have.
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Hey, anyone else notice the William Doe, and the Ted have,pulled there heads in as soon as Dave gets on here, does that mean, job done for them, stiring the EVO pot that is,suppose poke the stick enough and yeah get a reaction.    Well done boys

shouldn't  you be building  another girls trailbike to bullshit yourself your going quick on Graham 

Good one Bill - another pointless post.

[Graham]

Hey, anyone else notice the William Doe, and the Ted have,pulled there heads in as soon as Dave gets on here, does that mean, job done for them, stiring the EVO pot that is,suppose poke the stick enough and yeah get a reaction.    Well done boys

shouldn't  you be building  another girls trailbike to bullshit yourself your going quick on Graham 

OOOH, does the truth hurt Willi :'(

[William Doe]

Hey, anyone else notice the William Doe, and the Ted have,pulled there heads in as soon as Dave gets on here, does that mean, job done for them, stiring the EVO pot that is,suppose poke the stick enough and yeah get a reaction.    Well done boys

shouldn't  you be building  another girls trailbike to bullshit yourself your going quick on Graham 

OOOH, does the truth hurt Willi :'(

No mate and thats the fundamental difference between the likes of you and me .

I will accept the truth good or bad where as the likes of you are so busy kissing arse that you wouldn,t see the truth if it up and bit you .

[Digga]

Dave
Wasnt suggesting that we visit the dark side of yachting protest rooms (been there, done that aaahh), but just the annual process prior to the nats as a good way to facilitate & discuss such ideas/proposals/issues in a formal, behaved face to face meeitng. If you are happy that this already happens within the current VMX structure, then all good, cheers.

BTW - Australian Sharpie mainsheet hand 

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was that light weight or heavy weight sharpies - raced you guys in the 505, was always close

[Digga]

Lightweight Sharpies but I'm now a heavyweight 

[Nathan S]

Cant you read Nathan......
If you stopped to read the documents for long enough then you would clearly understand what happened. Right now you just don't know what your on about mate - sorry.

Once again, you're playing games. Latest publically available minutes are from May.
So how about a link?

[BultacoMacca]

Digga's mention of yacht racing reminds me of Alan Bond's American Cup challenge and how the American's were so determined to see Australia's winged keel boat disqualified as 'outside the rules'.
They, (the yanks/organisers) went legal to exclude it, but it passed and raced, as it did fit the wording of the rules as they stood.

[William Doe]

Hey, anyone else notice the William Doe, and the Ted have,pulled there heads in as soon as Dave gets on here, does that mean, job done for them, stiring the EVO pot that is,suppose poke the stick enough and yeah get a reaction.    Well done boys

shouldn't  you be building  another girls trailbike to bullshit yourself your going quick on Graham 

Good one Bill - another pointless post.

Thanks Dave  mate unlike a lot of people on here i am able to differentiate between you the person and you in your official role .

As a person i have seen you the passionate enthusiast who clearly loves old bikes 

As a competitor i have experienced your petty power play first hand, that convinced me never to enter another competitive VMX event in Australia as long as you hold office