Evo Revo

[oldfart]

The only fiasco .... in your words is on this forum.

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I always thought EVO was short for evolution but I have figured out what it really means.


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[Simo63]

The only fiasco .... in your words is on this forum.

maybe .... but it's coming to a track near you soon Stu

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[oldfart]

Jeez you blokes talk some shit ...

[Nathan S]

Bigk, we all agree it's ridiculous.

But read these threads:
http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=36705.0


http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=36721.0

Remember that "211" is David Tanner, chairman of the MA CMX commission...
What Simo (and others) have been saying fits perfectly with Mr Tanner's definition of the rules.
If you don't like it, then you need to join the chorus of "bored troublemakers" is opposing the stupidity of a non-historic vintage class.

[matcho mick]

Jeez you blokes talk some shit ...

think it might be cabin fever OF,(off season??)

[Ted]

Quote from BigK on the 24/10/2009

" If I have a set of 43mm YZ250J forks I can't run them legally in EVO coz they are from a bike with a linkage. Stupid in my opinion, but them's the rules. Same thing with engines"

Quote from BigK on the 8/7/2014

"Modern shocks, new billet shit, tapered bars, cartridge emulators etc have been deemed legal as have CR480 & horizontal lug yamaha forks. If my standard Honda forks are rusted to shit & will cost a motza to repair but I can replace them with cheap, functional 43mm forks that fit the era & work pretty much the same, why shouldn't I be allowed to? This is all absolute total BS. The forks are & have been legal for as long as the class exists"

This from the man that is organizing the 2015 Post Classic Nats

[evo550]

I'm with freaky, all other classes run in 5 year increments.
Get rid of pre 78, get rid of evo and introduce one pre 80 class.
Problem solved.

[William Doe]

Quote from BigK on the 24/10/2009

" If I have a set of 43mm YZ250J forks I can't run them legally in EVO coz they are from a bike with a linkage. Stupid in my opinion, but them's the rules. Same thing with engines"

Quote from BigK on the 8/7/2014

"Modern shocks, new billet shit, tapered bars, cartridge emulators etc have been deemed legal as have CR480 & horizontal lug yamaha forks. If my standard Honda forks are rusted to shit & will cost a motza to repair but I can replace them with cheap, functional 43mm forks that fit the era & work pretty much the same, why shouldn't I be allowed to? This is all absolute total BS. The forks are & have been legal for as long as the class exists"

This from the man that is organizing the 2015 Post Classic Nats

But Ted the Vicar has changed the hymn sheet so the choir has to change its tune 

You Aussies have and always have had arguably the best set of structured rules for vintage MX in the world .

There have always been a few ambiguity's within them but IMHO they are overall very good .

The weakness is the human factor  primarily lack of support and communication from those who are supposed to oversee the sport ( to the point of mind forking with people )a lack of consistency at Scrutineering and the biggest issue forking EGOS .

For years everyone has been led to believe that only a small percentage of 43 mm forks were EGO legal and that air cooled motors from linkage bikes were not legal for EGO so any CR 450/480 or KX 400/420 twinshock hybrids had to run Pre 85 .

Big K has always been (up until 6 months ago ) probably the biggest critic on here of those rules . But now apparently the entire VMX community was wrong and they are EGO legal of course he is gonna be happy as would anyone else with a hybrid or later 43mm forks .

(personally i would like to see those CR / KX big bores in EGO, but i don't know how you would work it within the rules )
   
Any sport or recreation that has rules need people at the top who can manage and support the rank and file without bias and work for the betterment of the sport and admit when they are wrong .

 If the Germans had the Aussie VMX template it would run like clockwork as in spite of their curt nature they would run to the letter of the rule and all officials and competitors would be properly informed and kept up to date .

[sa63]

"Modern shocks, new billet shit, tapered bars, cartridge emulators etc have been deemed legal as have CR480 & horizontal lug yamaha forks. If my standard Honda forks are rusted to shit & will cost a motza to repair but I can replace them with cheap, functional 43mm forks that fit the era & work pretty much the same, why shouldn't I be allowed to? This is all absolute total BS. The forks are & have been legal for as long as the class exists"

sounds pretty sensible to me - see you at the nats!

[bigk]

On the contrary Bill, I have always been of the opinion that common sense should prevail in the basic EVO rules of air cooled, non linkage & drum brakes which includes any conventional drum brake fork. I haven't taken twin shock CR480 to a meeting because I understand the implications even though I believe a 30 year old air cooled engine is a 30 year old air cooled engine be it from a 1982 CR480 (illegal) or a 1984 Husky CR500 (legal). Anyway we're off the point now, the people preaching about the 2015 EXC frame with an air cooled engine are just being absurd, there's no two ways about it.
Ted, I am not organizing the PC nats, it just happens that my local club is hosting it and I have an interest, although it's quickly dying from all this BS.

Simo, go ahead & bring your bike & lawyer, after all that's what VMX is all about isn't it?
K

[SUZUKI311]

Everyone is missing one important thing here. The actual ruling you are all talking about is in the regs for VMX. END OF STORY. A 2015 CHASSIS DOES NOT IN ANY WAY FIT INTO ANY INTERPRETATION OF VMX. The Bendigo club has put its hand up to run theses nats, and if people want to come along with some bitter and twisted idea about what can be interpreted as VMX and cause a shit fight just for the sake of it, then i'm sure the club will throw its hands in the air and say never again, and we lose another venue, and turn more riders off because of what is essentially bullshit.

[Nathan S]

311, you've missed the same point that bigk missed:
The Chair of the Commission has said that there is no age limit on Evo.

It's absurd. You know it. I know it. Simo knows it. Everyone knows it is absurd.
But the highest power in the land has decreed that these absurd, non-vintage bikes are legal for Evo.

So think about where the real problem is.

[Simo63]

On the contrary Bill, I have always been of the opinion that common sense should prevail in the basic EVO rules of air cooled, non linkage & drum brakes which includes any conventional drum brake fork. I haven't taken twin shock CR480 to a meeting because I understand the implications even though I believe a 30 year old air cooled engine is a 30 year old air cooled engine be it from a 1982 CR480 (illegal) or a 1984 Husky CR500 (legal). Anyway we're off the point now, the people preaching about the 2015 EXC frame with an air cooled engine are just being absurd, there's no two ways about it.
Ted, I am not organizing the PC nats, it just happens that my local club is hosting it and I have an interest, although it's quickly dying from all this BS.

Well we agree on a few things it seems.  The CR480 motors should be illegal but if that's the case why shouldn't their 43mm TLS front end also be illegal? Just your interpretation or the Commissioners?

Speaking of interpretation, I see you've added some wording to the Commissioners original rule interpretation for Evo. You've now added in the words I have highlighted above "which includes any conventional drum brake fork".  That was not specified by the Commissioners previous interpretation.  Are you sure you have permission to do that? 

Is that a sanctioned interpretation or just you exercising some common sense there K?? HOWEVER if that is the single rule that makes my proposed KTM PDS bike illegal in EVO then what you are now saying is the bike is good to go in Evo with a conventional front end?  Hmm interesting. So any conventional front end that had a drum brake attached to it originally?   

Anyway we're off the point now, the people preaching about the 2015 EXC frame with an air cooled engine are just being absurd, there's no two ways about it.

Correct. It is bloody absurd isn't it.  But apparently completely legal in Evo according to the Commissioners new Interpretation that has been decreed all because the new ruling allowed people to ride with later model front ends (regardless of whether they provided any advantage at all) as it suited some people.  I'm not sure who those people are but if those people didn't try to stretch the rules, the original Evo rules, the ones we all understood to be correct, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Ted, I am not organizing the PC nats, it just happens that my local club is hosting it and I have an interest, although it's quickly dying from all this BS.

Simo, go ahead & bring your bike & lawyer, after all that's what VMX is all about isn't it?
K

Of course it's not K but that's where you end up when the rules are changed or interpreted incorrectly.  Mate with all due respect do you honestly think I'm going to build that stupid bike? Of course I'm not.  But if I did do you honestly think I would present that stupid bike to any race meeting, let alone an event that you and the Commissioner were officiating at??  Again, of course I'm not but someone might and according to the rules as promulgated by the Commissioner, then that bike should pass as it he has clearly stated in previous posts here, it needs to be air cooled, non linkage and drum braked .. regardless of where the parts come from and regardless of their age or vintage.

Ridiculous eh!!