Evo Revo

[Simo63]

Would not be more simple to have a rule.
Air cooled drum brakes non linkage. All major components (eg forks brakes etc) Must come from same? 
Is this not more or less what it is now? Been working OK for last 30 years.

Absolutely would be however that idea has unfortunately been rejected numerous times by the Commissioner and god help any club that does not follow his interpretation of the rules because he has already put it in writing that he will sort them out. Link to that quote Here: http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=36705.0

So like a few others, I'm currently looking around to find the best non linkage chassis that fits the new rules (thinking 2011/12 KTM PDS Linkless system as I should pick up one with a blown motor cheaply), the best aircooled motor for our shortened 10 minute races (can't decide whether a 92 WR500 motor is a better bet than an 84 CR500 or KX500 .. also considering an 99 XR600 but there are a few other options yet to look at) and if I go the KTM frame and non linkage suspension, I think the USD KTM forks will work well once I build the brake backing plate to fit the largest twin leading shoe front brake I can.  Might even consider a 4 leading shoe front brake but not sure on that just yet as I am uncertain what can be laced into front rim.

I'm assuming that I can fit a 19 inch rear wheel to so I can choose from a better rear tyre ?

So many questions to answer but there is time and at the end of the day, I am looking forward to presenting my Frankenbike at the 2015 National Titles, complete with gun rider on board, and blowing the rest of the guys riding old skool evo shitters into the weeds.  Yeehaa

[Nathan S]

I think you might be one of a crowd, Simo.
The real battle is who can get the best rider.

[motomaniac]

Would not be more simple to have a rule.
Air cooled drum brakes non linkage. All major components (eg forks brakes etc) Must come from same? 
Is this not more or less what it is now? Been working OK for last 30 years.

Absolutely would be however that idea has unfortunately been rejected numerous times by the Commissioner and god help any club that does not follow his interpretation of the rules because he has already put it in writing that he will sort them out. Link to that quote Here: http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=36705.0

So like a few others, I'm currently looking around to find the best non linkage chassis that fits the new rules (thinking 2011/12 KTM PDS Linkless system as I should pick up one with a blown motor cheaply), the best aircooled motor for our shortened 10 minute races (can't decide whether a 92 WR500 motor is a better bet than an 85 CR500 or KX500 .. also considering an 99 XR600 but there are a few other options yet to look at) and if I go the KTM frame and non linkage suspension, I think the USD KTM forks will work well once I build the brake backing plate to fit the largest twin leading shoe front brake I can.  Might even consider a 4 leading shoe front brake but not sure on that just yet as I am uncertain what can be laced into front rim.

I'm assuming that I can fit a 19 inch rear wheel to so I can choose from a better rear tyre ?

So many questions to answer but there is time and at the end of the day, I am looking forward to presenting my Frankenbike at the 2015 National Titles, complete with gun rider on board, and blowing the rest of the guys riding old skool evo shitters into the weeds.  Yeehaa

85 cr500 is water cooled

[Ted]

Go the XR 6. I will sell you the specs for a Glen Bell Replica XR 630

[Simo63]

85 cr500 is water cooled

Typo. Fixed thanks

[bigk]

OMFG!!!! It's a long way to drive with your said "EVO" bike only to be deemed ineligible for any class at 2015 PC nats Simo as there's no modern classes in the program. Actually I'd really like someone to bring one along, no doubt we could all do with a laugh.
K

[Ted]

As long as its air cooled, drum braked and no linkage you have to let it in.

Quote : where you get the bits from doesn't matter

Quote: Evo has no period or era.

[bigk]

Continue to be completely & utterly ridiculous if you like. I DARE someone to bring something like that along to Ravenswood in April. Everyone will then get to see common sense in action & some one will be very, very disappointed.
K

[Ted]

So I turn up on a bike that complies to the rules in my last post just above and I am being ridiculous.

You and your mates in the supposed vast majority didn't have the sense to see this coming when you allowed a simple fork off a Pre 85 bike in. Instead of now seeing common sense and rescinding these later parts you'se come out and claim Evo has no period or era, thus allowing these anything from everywhere bikes in.

[Simo63]

Continue to be completely & utterly ridiculous if you like. I DARE someone to bring something like that along to Ravenswood in April. Everyone will then get to see common sense in action & some one will be very, very disappointed.
K

Thanks BigK.  Could you please explain to me where my proposed Evo championship winning bike has crossed the line?  I believe it fits the exact criteria that we are now operating under?

It will be air cooled, have non linkage suspension and drum brakes.  As the Commissioner's new interpretation has been quoted above, I am just not seeing the difference between my new bike and my old YZ250G fitted with a YZ250J front end?

Where have I gone wrong in my interpretation of the new rules?

[bigk]

There's simply no point talking any further. A modern KTM PDS chassis isn't classis, post classic or vintage. You guys are talking just to hear yourselves speak. Bring it along and as many of your like minded buddies as you can, bring a lawyer if you like. Be prepared to be laughed off the planet and leave your bike in the pits. Your proposal is stupidity at it's best. I'm not going to grace this with a response any further, other than to say see you with your idea of an "EVO" bike at the nats in April. I can't wait to see it.
K

[Simo63]

There's simply no point talking any further. A modern KTM PDS chassis isn't classis, post classic or vintage. You guys are talking just to hear yourselves speak. Bring it along and as many of your like minded buddies as you can, bring a lawyer if you like. Be prepared to be laughed off the planet and leave your bike in the pits. Your proposal is stupidity at it's best. I'm not going to grace this with a response any further, other than to say see you with your idea of an "EVO" bike at the nats in April. I can't wait to see it.
K

All I want is an answer to my question.  What part of the proposed bike doesn't comply? 

All I've heard so far is that it's not vintage.  No argument there but the rules don't say vintage.  In fact they are not allowed to mention a year according to the Commissioner.

Just air cooled, non linkage and drum brake.  The proposed bike complies ... unfortunately

[Paul552]

Are you guys bored

[Ted]

QUOTE : A modern KTM PDS chassis isn't classic, post classic or vintage

So tell me which class a VForce reed fits into Einstein. And yes they will be on lots of Evo bikes.

[Simo63]

There's simply no point talking any further. A modern KTM PDS chassis isn't classis, post classic or vintage. You guys are talking just to hear yourselves speak. Bring it along and as many of your like minded buddies as you can, bring a lawyer if you like. Be prepared to be laughed off the planet and leave your bike in the pits. Your proposal is stupidity at it's best. I'm not going to grace this with a response any further, other than to say see you with your idea of an "EVO" bike at the nats in April. I can't wait to see it.
K

You know something K ... your suggestion about bringing a Lawyer has real merit.  Merit because a lawyer would tear the current interpretation of Evo rules W_I_D_E open.

In fact I would go as far as betting that a good Lawyer WOULD easily get the proposed bike legally through based on the Commissioners current rule interpretation.  An interpretation he has not only CLEARLY stated on this public forum, but one that he has also added a threat to for any club that denies a rider entry on a bike matching his interpretation.

That is how ridiculous this has got.  And it's not for the better of the sport or any of the competitors.

It's a fiasco and it needs higher authority to sort it out.