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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2014, 11:02:46 am »
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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2014, 11:15:53 am »
I'd love to Watto but heading home tonight, I will check on the club calendars & note those so hopefully I can get to one or two of the meets.

One thing I've learned about the VMX over the last week is that it's a great community and the level of enthusiasm and knowledge for the bikes & the sport is fantastic.
A great bunch of people I think.

Good luck to all on the weekend.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2014, 12:08:44 pm »
Hi Bruce,

If it were me the sentimental value would win out even if I had to keep it until I were a very old man before I got time to bring back the memories.

Anyway you are asking about value, in the last couple of years I have purchased two similar bikes from the US, one was a 74.5 Penton 250, the one that is a "more desirable" than the one you have, it came from a member of the Penton owners club and although it was not bright and shiny it was ready to race and  race it I did for two years and it never let me down, only thing I did was new tubes and tyres and usual servicing, that bike cost me  about  $2250 US plus $250 internal transport in the US  and about $1000 to get  it over the ocean and some GST, I forget the exact figures  (I'm a married man and I don't keep records for obvious reasons  ;D ) and that was a good clean running and ready to race bike. The second bike was a 77 KTM 250,  paid $2100 US for that and about the same transport and shipping and GST as above, it was not ready to race but was all there and was running it just had never had anything done do it in the last 25 years so every seal needed replacing and  there was a bit of general deterioration/surface rust  and while it was apart it got (and is still getting) a freshen up.

So you can see that assembled and running bikes from okay to really good condition cost about $3500 landed at your front door in the eastern States, and dare I say it, the 74.5 Penton 250 and 77 KTM 250 are perhaps more desirable than what you have.  And here in Australia that desirability is perhaps in some part because of our pre-75 and pre-78 race classes.

And when I was looking for those two bikes I came across plenty of "basket cases" ranging from your basket case which seems to be pretty well everything included right through to a box of bits and pieces, and those were from  about $1200 US down to $500 US, and the shipping costs would not have been much different, so perhaps you can see why I purchased running bikes.

So, in my opinion your bike is worth what somebody would have to pay for the same thing from the US plus a little bit extra for the fact that they can see it before they buy it, so that puts its value at say $2000 up to $2300  But then you have to take into account what it would cost to get the frame back to standard, so you would perhaps knock $300-$500 off so you get down to about $1500-$1800.

And  that sort of valuation is very different to the prices that are paid for absolutely perfect restorations, bikes that are nut and bolt correct every spoke every nipple every bolt every nut as it was from the factory,  even with the correct paint type and colour and with tyres from "back in the day", to the right collector those bikes can demand the sort of money that has been mentioned above but you could probably count  the number of them on your fingers.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2014, 01:04:16 pm »
 What I think is amaszing is that 5 of the 6 bike that came in to Australia in 1973

 can still be found 1 in the A.C.T, 1 in Vic , 2 in N.S.W and yours in Qld ???

  Drakefords bike was sold and when to Newcastle N.S.W

  all 4 bike are in good hands and are used from time to time ...

  My 1973 250cc cost me more than what it is worth . and I could buy one from US much cheeper ..

 the 1974.5 is a better Bike to MX but now I am moving more to Vinduro the Harescrambler will spend its
 
 life doing that .

Would I sell it over $4000 yes I would ...
would I sell it  For less .No I would  Not  ..
Would the market stand This Bike to sell  over 4000.    NO way ..

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2014, 02:21:40 pm »
Very true Dennis and the problem is you buy a bike in bits and you know you can write of $3000 for a proper rebuild.  Never get the money back, just the enjoyment

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2014, 02:59:46 pm »
Dennis,
           Are you counting KTM Freds 73 in the NSW numbers.If not that would be the six accounted for.
          That bike in parts lived in my shed for four years while he was overseas and is now also being put together.I am trying to dig up the numbers for it.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2014, 03:21:40 pm »
So Dennis..does the 6 bikes that came into Australia include 3 ( that I know of) that came into WA..??..Alan Mitchell had the first... Paul List had one .. Shane Kirkpatrick rode one in 1974 after it had been upgraded with oval frame tubing and a OEM  multi mount swingarm..( with a Husky reed valve and an underpipe..))...remembering that the KTM importer was on this side of the island..

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2014, 04:04:53 pm »
Hi Bruce
I'm interested....please email to  david.haines at draglobal.com
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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2014, 04:32:57 pm »
Hi All, I've decided I will hold on to the bike for the time being & hope to get enough time to get it back to running condition.

Thanks for all your suggestions and information it's been very valuable.

All the best & be safe.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2014, 05:09:12 pm »
My fathers mate , Wayne Melmeth (spelling) had one in WA back in the day as well. As my father remembers riding it.
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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2014, 05:16:31 pm »
Ozktm, what club were they in.?

We were all in the "Harley Davidson MCC" , home track at Mount Brown, York.

It later merged with another club which I can't think of now and so is no longer around.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2014, 05:48:02 pm »
Dennis,
           Are you counting KTM Freds 73 in the NSW numbers.If not that would be the six accounted for.
          That bike in parts lived in my shed for four years while he was overseas and is now also being put together.I am trying to dig up the numbers for it.

  Is Fred the Old Bloke  Number 74 and all so have a Blue 1976 400 if so yes I thouth He live in Vic ..
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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2014, 05:48:24 pm »
Now part of the BSA club up on Toodyay Rd.  My old man had the 175cc endure model
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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2014, 05:50:58 pm »
Yep that's right, BSA club at Noble Falls.

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Re: 1974 KTM 250 cc MX Motorcross
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2014, 05:52:58 pm »
So Dennis..does the 6 bikes that came into Australia include 3 ( that I know of) that came into WA..??..Alan Mitchell had the first... Paul List had one .. Shane Kirkpatrick rode one in 1974 after it had been upgraded with oval frame tubing and a OEM  multi mount swingarm..( with a Husky reed valve and an underpipe..))...remembering that the KTM importer was on this side of the island..

   I dont Know Only what I have been told and read ...
   
  And I am saying  1973 Yellow tank  250cc    NOT 175cc or   400cc

  Not Red tank 1974 250cc  or the 1974.5 the came out with the update Oval tubes and swing arm ..
« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 05:57:05 pm by oz555ktm »
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