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Re: Not vmx, not KTM but Foxico !!!
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 01:05:36 pm »
" because it doesn't tie in with their reader demographic...."   I should not generalize but can that demographic even read or write ? Even their own tattoos? More than a few could not even read the photos......

Hey Motorcycle Dirt Bike magazine editors , you can print the truth, like...

Foxico Cyclone KTM ripoff , very cheap ,very very nasty , dangerous build quality issues, most evident if the crap actually starts and you get to attempt forward motion under it's soon to die own motive power. New comers to dirt bikes, waste your $2000 + freight and be put off for life.

Even the bogeyman ghosts of the Suzi TM400 Cyclone would be pissed off.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 06:12:44 pm »
I called the guy today, the following one is a 4 valve version, with alloy swingarm and KTM copy front & rear suspension, including internals.  For $1000 more ($2990) the than the above 2 valve model.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/250CC-FOXICO-4V-STORM-DIRT-TRAIL-MOUNTAIN-QUAD-BIKE-GOKART-DIRTBIKE-ORANGE-/151211239068?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Ride_On_Toys&hash=item2334e4669c
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2014, 06:25:31 pm »
I like that the Chinese are getting into the market, sure you get what you pay for but they are slowly lifting their game.  I bought a 250 Atomik (Chinese) for Jodie a couple of years ago, figured she would not ride it hard so it might be ok, after 3 rides it took a tooth off 1st gear, after fixing that it stripped the spline on the starter-motor shaft.

Even after all that I am still prepared to give the Chinese a go, hell no one had a nice word for the Japanese when they started making bikes but they got better.  If the Atomik goes bang again I will slot the '76 TS185 engine in that I have here.  The Atomik suspension actually has damping and the brakes are good.

Rather than rebuilding the Atomik engine I just bought a complete brand new engine for $300, I don't mind if that's the way the market is going, I really don't expect the old guys here, who live in the past, to agree.

When the pit-bike rage started 10 years ago, I was sent to China by one of the importers, to work with the Chinese on design & quality issues, they are trying to do the right thing, and not all the Chinese manufacturers are the same.  Most are driven / guided by the various importers around the world.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2014, 06:48:33 pm »
John I agree with your views.Even today I hear comments that jap bikes are still crap from folks that still won't own one.(real bikes need to be kick started and leak oil)Sometimes I question my own sensibilities why put up with BSA singles.They ARE shit compared to the precision and quality of a jap bike of the same era.I certainly think the chinese will make a huge impact on the bike scene before too long.India won't be far behind.I'm actually waiting for Mahindra to build bikes and I reckon they'll be good.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2014, 07:40:07 pm »
i have a chinese quad that i use around the 5 acers its just goes when i want it to
 wasent new when i bought it neices and nephews ride it around.evey one has fun on it and i use it to tow the small farm trailer around.
like anything dont thrash it and keep new oil in it adjust the valves clean air filter (sounds like a $7000 jap bike) it keeps on going
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2014, 07:41:33 pm »
Lewis, Mahindra already make a range of motorcycles.  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2014, 09:08:11 pm »
There you go Tim,I never knew they actually produced a bike.Only ever seen them while watching the Moto GP. Not that I'm going to rush out and buy one but are they available in Aus?

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2014, 11:18:26 pm »
Mahinda group or is it the TATA group are said to own the company the produces the Indian" Royal Enfield*" range of pluggers that are sold in Australia. So you could say they sell motorcycles in Australia already.

Yes they are now once again Royal Enfield  not just Enfield.   In India ya pay the right (dare I say it ) corrupt people and Bobs ya Auntie.....
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 05:33:01 am »

I like that the Chinese are getting into the market, sure you get what you pay for but they are slowly lifting their game.  I bought a 250 Atomik (Chinese) for Jodie a couple of years ago, figured she would not ride it hard so it might be ok, after 3 rides it took a tooth off 1st gear, after fixing that it stripped the spline on the starter-motor shaft.

Even after all that I am still prepared to give the Chinese a go, hell no one had a nice word for the Japanese when they started making bikes but they got better.  If the Atomik goes bang again I will slot the '76 TS185 engine in that I have here.  The Atomik suspension actually has damping and the brakes are good.

Rather than rebuilding the Atomik engine I just bought a complete brand new engine for $300, I don't mind if that's the way the market is going, I really don't expect the old guys here, who live in the past, to agree.

When the pit-bike rage started 10 years ago, I was sent to China by one of the importers, to work with the Chinese on design & quality issues, they are trying to do the right thing, and not all the Chinese manufacturers are the same.  Most are driven / guided by the various importers around the world.

I agree John , everyone rubbishes anything that doesn't come out of Japan or Europe . I partially agree that you get what you pay for but there's also horses for courses . Motorcycling in general is FUCT in my opinion and the blame lies partially at the door of the big manufacturers but mainly at the foot of every voter in the western world who let the PC mongrels get their filthy mits on manufacturing and every other walk of life.
As a result a new jap or Euro dirt bike cost at least 5 times what this thing does and parts are again about 5 times the price , this thing cost less than the depreciation on a main stream bike the minute you start it.

I cant see how the fork they justify the bullshit cost of new bikes and parts these days . Some clever Flucker will be along soon to put me straight that with inflation considered bikes are cheaper now than in the 70s , maybe but compared to the 70s fork all bikes are sold today, WHY ?????.

As for magazines today and the spineless Weasels that publish them, Firkos covered that one .

Tatey will get all high and mighty about the economy etc , and yes Joan in a perfect world everyone would be earning plenty and spending plenty. Mate that boat has sailed into the sea of bullshit PCness and micro management driving the cost of everyday items beyond the reach of the common man, leaving sweet FA for luxury's like motorbikes.

For what its worth I would love to live in those times again ( of course I wouldn't be communicating that fact instantly on here though ) but like it or not we aint going back, unless you can hitch a ride with Marty ,
Doc and that DeLorean  ;D

Bikes like these give everyday people the opportunity to own a motorcycle ( I know they could buy a used mainstream bike for the same money ) but maybe just maybe they would like something NEW out of the box regardless of others opinions of it and it fills the needs of todays throw away mentality society.

Times are changing and nobody has put up a bigger fight than me to try to stop that . All that did was made me unhappy fighting a battle I will never win, If you don't like this stuff don't buy it  ;) but like it or not there is a growing market for it and the quality improves with every shipment .

Sure the quality is still sub standard in some cases but in case you have been in a coma for the last 20yrs you must realise people don't care  ;) we live in a disposable world . Remember when in most households the family car was your 2nd biggest asset after your house and a treasured possession  ? no me neither , well just about  :-\

I would rather see people out there enjoying motorcycling at their own level and budget than see them lost to mountain biking or something else .

The whole anti cheaper knock off mentality smacks of snobbery and something I gave away modern MX for VMX to get away from .


 

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2014, 07:03:19 am »
TMBILL,you've got that covered spot on.As mentioned previously,I have BSA singles and the quality and workmanship IS questionable.The amount of money I've thrown at them in order to bring them up to a decent standard is ridiculous.(I'm not sure what or why it is though but when one gets fired up
the time and money spent doesn't matter anymore.)I don't like it but I accepted the fact that we do live in a throw away society.Went to Bunning before xmas to buy a new battery for my cordless drill-walked out with a brand new drill(XU-1),paid all of $20 dollars for it.When it shits itself I'll buy another--battery $49(throw away)=two drills.(throw away)

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 07:11:38 am »
The Chinease will build what westerners want , you want cheap youll get cheap , they dont care. , they will build better quality if you want it you just have to ask. i get electronic components from them and the same applies. they have crap LCD screens ( suits used car dealers) and they have quality ones for the people who care.
 They will eventually build high quality bikes for  a reasonable price. I had a early CMG mammoth for the kids ( pw  knock off) and it never let me down. CMG was a quality builder at the time and it was 40% dearer than other chinease ones on the market.
 You get what you pay for from China
 And I agree with bill . A Suzuki car brand new is 17 K here and a GSX1000 is over 20 . Jap etc bikes are not in parity any more.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 09:46:55 am »
So many these days think that because it is new it must be good but I see it all as a giant con, and yes the big names are conning us too with there over inflated prices

There’s a very thin line between “you get what you pay for” and “a fool and his money are soon parted”

The philosophy that a product is so cheap that I will buy it and if it shits itself I will just buy another is false economy.

These bikes may be a worthwhile Trail bike but from what I have seen so far of similar products I doubt it. The finish they apply to their products I find impressive but all too often they shortcut on the metallurgy hence the stories of gears etc. failing within a short time. Brittle plastics and wiring that can’t handle the amperage are also common ailments.

I have seen local kids that have these pit bike things that their parents have bought them because they were cheap but because the bikes brake down so much they become disillusioned and give up on bikes all together. The forks will have next to no internals and the bolts are made of a material one step up from Plasticine but the parents will quote the brand name of the bike as if it’s supposed to mean something to me because they have believed the sales pitch of the wheeler dealer that brought in the container load of them.
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 10:03:14 am »
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John I agree with your views.Even today I hear comments that jap bikes are still crap from folks that still won't own one.(real bikes need to be kick started and leak oil)Sometimes I question my own sensibilities why put up with BSA singles.They ARE shit compared to the precision and quality of a Jap bike of the same era.I certainly think the chinese will make a huge impact on the bike scene before too long.India won't be far behind. I'm actually waiting for Mahindra to build bikes and I reckon they'll be good.
Right now the Chinese motorcycles are 200% better than they were just five years ago and are getting pretty close to an acceptable quality standard. Once they start producing original designs out of better materials rather than rip off 'replicas', the rest of the worlds motorcycles will be up against a solid opposition. The signs have been on the wall for 10 years now but the big manufacturers have largely ignored the threat to the point that it's almost echoing the contempt the British manufacturers showed towards the Japanese bike "threat" back in the late sixties. We still see over engineered, over priced products from Japan and Europe and where the Japs, Koreans and Indians will gain a foothold is in producing good, easy to maintain entry level bikes for entry level prices.....the modern DT1 or XL250. We can make all of the jokes and shitbox remarks we like but to dismiss them as shit and consider them as producing shit forever is a big mistake. A mate once showed me a compilation of letters to the editor regarding Japanese bikes from mid sixties British magazines and the comments are so much like the current criticisms of Chinese (and Indian) products it's almost like history repeating itself.
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i have a chinese quad that i use around the 5 acers its just goes when i want it to
 wasent new when i bought it neices and nephews ride it around.evey one has fun on it and i use it to tow the small farm trailer around.
like anything dont thrash it and keep new oil in it adjust the valves clean air filter (sounds like a $7000 jap bike) it keeps on going
jim
Like Jimmy, we have a 150cc quad on the farm which is now over 10 years old and is still going strong on its original untouched (Lifan) engine. The only thing we've changed is batteries and the original soft rims which bent like tinfoil. It's now a bit smokey but it still earns its keep with no problems.

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 10:05:54 am »
I hear you Geoff , and your point about getting disillusioned is a valid one .

The door has opened and there's no going back now , I believe that quality is improving overall . The fact that parts are on par price wise with the bikes means that at least they are cheap to fix ( and hopefully the replacement part is from the next shipment and better quality )

In an ideal world (Joans world) no sub standard stuff would be sold , but as I say that boat has long sailed .

I have had to do a complete 180 on this subject as it used to bug the shit out of me . The only person it was affecting was me , nothing is gonna change its the new world order . Poor ole Joans paddling against the current with a bent tea spoon .

 

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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 10:13:15 am »
I like Firkos point about the Chinese stuff becoming mainstream completion to the established brands and to be honest it cant come quick enough IMHO .

As Firko said  the British motorcycle industry (along with 90% of the rest of British industry) disappeared up its own arse thanks to its complacency and helped by a big dose of NIH syndrome and those bastions of the worlds lazy and useless pricks the unions  >:(