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Re: Oz Local manufacturing
« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2013, 01:39:19 pm »
   Spot on nathan the only ones that come out smelling of roses in the great land-grab of the 00,s  were real estate fatcats and agents everyone else are now paying the price ! you've gotta feel for the average/battler kids future  :-\

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« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2013, 02:22:52 pm »
Try again had to fly as it's 42+ degrees Celsius here ,  very strong dry winds and the unhappy wail the the local fire sirens summoning the volunteer fire fighters started.  >:(  Small grass fire quickly contained no persons injured or property damaged...
 
OK Tim I asks myself  (What to do for a job?) a while back after another business I was working for shut up shop.

Lets see  Retail - , OK hours , low pay , out off the weather ,face to face with the good and the shitfull public.   Been there done that....

               Agriculture- Long long hours .low low pay , Always in the weather or animal shit or both. Strangely most of Joe Public does not understand what a hard life it is to feed and clothe them.   Been there done that....

              Manufacturing- Out of the weather, Shift work, Much improved pay, Companies going "Off Shore end of subject"  Been there sort of liked it...

             Education - Hmmm Good pay , fellow staff has lots of whingers that live in an alternative universe with little concept of work .... Been there, no comment..

     Settled on Rubbish    -   Hey we all throw away and waste SO much in Australia, so I am always needed (yes needed not wanted, because of the 'nimby" effect. where to put this shit?. Not In MY Back Yard ;))  Peaceful sometimes during the 9 hours on the days I open , I only have 2 or 3 customers..Got all the mod cons like generator (No mains power) Tank with 2500 lts of rain water, portable toilet, mobile phone (with gorgeously lousy reception ;))  cockatoos , kangaroos , lots of poisonous snakes, and my self made succulent/cactus gardens to maintain,   I am basically my own boss as there is no other employees on site ;) Only work three days a week....and well we all throw away and waste SO much in Australia!

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« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2013, 02:53:52 pm »
Had a bloke come in the other day who had quit his job as auto electrician to stack shelves at woolies.

Reckons the hours are better and so is the money.

Go figure   ???
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« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2013, 04:55:03 pm »
Sorelegs, I've known a few people who have done similar things. Those that I've spoken to, have actually taken pay cuts, but they've been prepared to do so for the security and the lack of stress.

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« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2013, 06:44:10 pm »
Auto electrician $35hr - houses in Auckland going up 15-17% per year in Auckland less around rest of country. We have had 5-6 years down turn you are just going in to it as mineral and steel sales slow down for you.
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« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2013, 06:52:12 pm »
Auto electrician $35hr - houses in Auckland going up 15-17% per year in Auckland less around rest of country. We have had 5-6 years down turn you are just going in to it as mineral and steel sales slow down for you.
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« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2013, 07:19:59 pm »
 DC said pass on a kiss to you Craigy, you at markets tomorrow?
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« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2013, 07:26:21 pm »
Got sent this today

ONLY $150 million a year will save Holden?  Rubbish.  The Holden Enterprise Agreement is the document that has utterly sunk Holden's prospects.  It defies belief that someone in the company isn't being held to account for it.

Holden's management masks a union culture beyond most people's comprehension. Employment costs spiralled way beyond community standards long ago. Neither "pay freezes" nor more money will save Holden, but getting the Fair Work Commission to dissolve the agreement and put all workers on the award wage might be a start.

In 1991, the pre-enterprise bargaining award wage of a Holden entry level process worker was $462.80 a week. In 1992, Holden began enterprise bargaining and now a worker at that same classification level has a base rate of $1194.50 a week, a 158 per cent increase, or a compound increase of 4.4 per cent year on year for 22 years. Right now, base wage rates for process workers in the Holden enterprise agreement are in the $60,000 to $80,000 per year range and in recent times, "hardship payments" of $3750 were given to each worker.

The modern award for such workers mandates base rates in the $37,000 to $42,000 range. This means that before we add any of the shift penalties, loadings, 26 allowances and the added cost of productivity restrictions, Holden begins each working day paying its workforce almost double what it should. After you add in the other employment costs, I estimate Holden's workforce costs it somewhere close to triple the amount it should.

Many people who work at Holden don't actually work for Holden; they work for the union. Occupational health and safety people are given 10 days' paid time off a year to be trained by the union. Most companies do not allow unions to train their OH&S people because the knowledge is used to control the workplace to the benefit of the union.

Union delegates are also allowed up to 10 paid days a year for union training in how to be effective union delegates and two of these delegates are entitled to an extra Holden sponsorship of one paid month off to "further their industrial and/or leadership development".

Holden's rules on hiring casuals are shocking and unheard of in today's market. The agreement forbids Holden from hiring casuals except when a "short-term increase in workload, or other unusual circumstances occurs". If this situation arises Holden has to "consult and reach agreement" with the union. Further, "Engagement of the agreed number of casual personnel will be for the agreed specified tasks and the agreed specified periods." If any of this changes, Holden must get union agreement again. After three months of continuous full-time work a casual must be made permanent. It is impossible to run a business like this.

An ex-employee from Adelaide, on condition of anonymity, consented to an interview yesterday. He described the workforce as "over-managed", with one team leader for every six workers on the production line, when one for every 25 workers would suffice.

He said "some of us workers felt it wasn't necessary to get paid what we were getting paid to do the jobs we were doing", adding that their work is probably worth about "20 bucks an hour". A few years back, mates took redundancy packages in the order of "$280k plus". Workers are "like sheep" that blindly follow the union leadership. At induction, new workers are ushered into one-on-one meetings with the union rep who heavies them into joining. "It is made clear that if you don't join the union you will be sacked," he said. Union representatives "don't actually do any work for Holden", but rather make themselves full-time enforcers of union control.

He says workers are drug tested before hiring, but "only have to stay off it for a few weeks, get in the door and then you'll be right". Workers caught taking drugs or being drug-affected at work are allegedly put on a fully paid rehabilitation program, with special paid time off of about four weeks duration, before being let back into the workforce.

Australian workplaces have a zero tolerance for drug use, with instant dismissal the remedy, but at Holden "the union won't let the company sack" any workers caught dealing, taking or being on drugs. "If they did a random drug test tomorrow they'd probably have to sack 40 per cent of the workforce," he adds.

If the Holden scenario were playing out in a privately owned business, proper cost-cutting strategies would be used. If you have the will and can hire the skill, there are many ways to cut labour costs. The workers can be given a couple of years notice of significant wage drops and can receive lump sum payouts of entitlements to help bring down family debt.

Of course, these strategies are only ever used by business people who have no one else to bail them out. It seems Holden would rather leave the country than dissolve its enterprise agreement. The union thinks members are better off jobless than on award wages. Holden's fate seems sealed.

If Holden does leave, workers will receive the most generous redundancy benefits around. Holden says leaving will cost $600m. Most of this will go to staff payouts. The fellow interviewed agrees with my calculation: the average production-line worker will walk away with a redundancy package of between $300k-500k.

 

 

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Re: Oz Local manufacturing
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2013, 07:55:40 pm »
That was the article with the figures that I was questioning.

$80k as a base rate for a factory worker sounds like a steaming load of shit to me.
If it is accurate, then WTF is wrong with Holden management? They would have to have agreed big pay rises, multiple times for that to have happened.
Don't give me any "it's all the unions' fault" BS either, because the whole idea of Enterprise Bargaining is that both parties negotiate to a workable compromise.
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Re: Oz Local manufacturing
« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2013, 08:28:24 pm »
if the UNION was working in good faith , surely they will be the first to open the books on the collective agreement and its deals for their workers , Why would Holden pay soooooooooooo much to leave ?
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Re: Oz Local manufacturing
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2013, 09:05:44 pm »
It has been reported [ may not be correct ] that many nations subsidize the automobile manufacturers in their country.

My question is    WHY?

Is the making of an automobile not a viable proposition ?

Are automobiles makers  like European farmers?
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« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2013, 09:07:52 pm »
Too much unions ends up in mass loss of productivity, no unions means workers who are not able to negotiate a decent deal for themselves or stick up for themselves loose out. ( not good either)

Tulla airport is a great example of over active unions, what ends up happening - bring in overseas labour for Air hostesses and send maintenance work overseas. Its all a link up!

The company i did my apprenticeship with is a great example of no unions (started 1984). I Worked for under award wages for 18 months, endured shit working conditions and i was the first person to wear Ear muffs in the whole place while angle grinding edges steel chequer plates. (i purchased them myself)....

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« Reply #132 on: December 20, 2013, 09:42:44 pm »
This is an interesting article about the state of affairs in Australia.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=14777&page=2
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ON LINE  opinion  - Australia's e-journal of social and political debate
Who owns corporate Australia?

By Murray Hunter
Posted Monday, 11 March 2013

If you go and ask the "average" Australian on a Melbourne or Sydney street who owns the banks and large public companies in Australia, most will answer "Australians through superannuation and mutual funds". This belief gives Australians a sense of pride in "Australian private enterprise", and may even assist Australians grudgingly accept high bank charges and interest rates; "after all we own the banks".

However if one examines the annual reports of most of the large Australian public companies, names like HSBC, JP Morgan, Citibank, and BNP are very prominent in the tops 20 shareholders lists. There has been a major shift in the Australian corporate ownership-scape over the last decade. And a silent one at that.

Let's go back to the 1980s when Bob Hawke was Prime Minister of Australia. The ex-ACTU head did more than any other prime minister to liberalize the Australian economy. Hawke began deregulating the financial system, dismantled the tariff system, floated the Australian dollar, and privatized the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (planned under Hawke, executed under Keating). What was important here, there was no longer any distinction between savings and commercial banks and foreign banks could apply for licenses to operate directly in the Australian retail market. Keating followed on this liberalization path with the catch cry of creating a "level playing field".

These liberalizations allowed foreign investors to come into the Australian market, however foreign banks found it extremely difficult to start-up from scratch and compete with the local banks. However with the Asian financial crisis of 1997, and subsequent economic downturns within the Australian economy, foreign equity started slowly trickling in and buying up Australia's prime corporate assets. Mutual and investment funds were specifically important as these made excellent vehicles for investment in corporate Australia.

Today the ownership-scape of Australian banks is very different from the traditional past where Australian banks were owned by the "average Australian" through superannuation and investment funds. Although major shareholders are in fact mutual and investment funds, they are now managed by foreign interests who appoint their "proxy" directors to the boards, as the table shows.

Table 1. Major Shareholders in Australia's "Big Four" banks

 

 
   

Company
   

Combined HSBC (Nominees)
   

JP Morgan Nominees
   

Combined Citicorp

1
   

Commonwealth Bank
   

14.10%
   

11.13%
   

4.18%

2
   

National Australia Bank
   

16.94%
   

14.47%
   

3.33%

3
   

Westpac Bank
   

15.10%
   

12.27%
   

4.60%

4
   

ANZ Bank
   

18.88%
   

15.65%
   

5.41%

Apart from the top four shareholders shown above, an inspection of the data in the respective annual reports shows that most of the other top 20 shareholders are companies with a stake in more than one big bank. Moreover, ownership figures for the second tier banks, Bendigo and Adelaide Bank Limited, Suncorp-Metway Limited and Bank of Queensland Limited, show they are also owned by the same organisations that own the big four.

When one looks closely at who owns the big four banks it becomes clear that there is a lot of common ownership, suggesting that those banks may not in fact be independent, competing entities.

Due to the complex nature of the legal structures of shareholders and ways that the various shareholders work together, it is virtually impossible to determine who really controls the banks. Many of the other minor shareholders in the banks also have HSBC, JP Morgan and Citibank, along with many other European and US banks as their major shareholders. This argument is often countered by stating that HSBS, J.P. Morgan and Citibank are only investing on behalf of small investors. What is of issue here is control and it is the prerogative of the funds to appoint a director to the board of their choice, not the investors. These figures are also consistent with a recent worldwide study showing that most of the world's company equity is controlled by no more than 25 companies, of which have many of these companies have equity in the Australian banks.

One of the most interesting aspects that complement the cross-ownership in the big four Australian banks is the number of cross directorships in other foreign banks and financial institutions that exist in a wide manner. Studies have shown how even small cross-shareholding structures, at a national level, can affect market competition in sectors such as airline, automobile and steel, as well as the financial one.

When one turns to corporate Australia, one will find that it is very similar to the banks. Both commercial and mining companies ownership are dominated by HSBC Nominees, JP Morgan Nominees, and Citibank Nominees as the top three shareholders of most companies. If one examines company directorships there is a tight cross-linking across commerce, banking and mining in Australia today. Commerce, banking and mining are now part of an oligopoly.

Table 2. Major shareholder of Australia's largest public companies

 

 
   

Company
   

Combined HSBC (Nominees)
   

JP Morgan Nominees
   

Combined Citicorp

1
   

AMP
   

19.23%
   

13.88%
   

4.6%

2
   

BHP Billiton
   

17.36%
   

13.29
   

10.75

3
   

Brambles
   

25,85%
   

21.73%
   

8,77%

4
   

CSL
   

24.39%
   

17.43%
   

6.1%

5
   

Fosters Group
   

23.29%
   

21.23%
   

6.31%

6
   

Macquarie bank
   

19.06%
   

19.96%
   

6.08%

7
   

Newcrest Mining
   

37.83%
   

16.57%
   

4.94%

8
   

Origin Energy
   

15.83%
   

14.10%
   

5.17%

9
   

RioTinto
   

19.59%
   

16.68%
   

4.89%

10
   

Sun Corp
   

20.23%
   

17.09%
   

7.1%

11
   

Telstra
   

18.49%
   

12.5%
   

1.36%

12
   

Westfield
   

31.44%
   

25.0%
   

7.03%

12
   

Westfarmers
   

16.31%
   

13.77%
   

6.43%

13
   

Woolworths
   

16.50%
   

11.34%
   

4.025

14
   

Woodside
   

16.19%
   

11.97%
   

2.25%

The reality is that much of Australia isowned by faceless people hiding behind big nominee companies that are virtually impossible to research. Not to mention global investment banks, insurance companies and the Commonwealth public servant superannuation scheme. Many companies have directors that are involved in media, banking, and politics, with many ex-politicians coming onto boards when they leave the parliament.

We have seen the close relationships between business and politicians over many governments. And Labor has been able to stay long in government with this accommodation with business interests, ever since Bob Hawke achieved an understanding with a significant group within the dominant corporations of Australia. Big business probably has greater influence at state level where government can directly facilitate access to prime land and assets that each state controls.

Today in Australia, big business now is able to practice what could be called "bully capitalism" where they dictate terms unfairly to smaller businesses. For example rents charged to tenants in large shopping malls are calculated as a percentage of turnover, with systems in place that allow landlords to audit tenant sales, where profit is virtually regulated. Supermarkets in Australia now that a duopoly exists control over 90% of retail sales have been able to increase profit margins from 20% in the 1970s to over 50% today.

With so much ownership concentration of Australian business and industry through skillful fund control and use of company law and cross directorships, a very few people can exercise great influence over the Australian economy. Many company boards and directors can operate without much accountability. As the recent Jonathon Moylan case has shown, any statement about a company can easily manipulate share prices and make profits or losses of hundreds of Millions of dollars instantly.

The potential to easily manipulate share prices is there on a huge scale. HSBC Nominees, JP Morgan, and Citicorp Nominees are the 1st, 2nd and 4th largest shareholders in the Australian Stock Exchange as well.

The great myth is that Australia is a competitive economy. Most of Australia's largest companies have either monopolies or exercise some form of oligopoly. For example;

    BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto, Woodside Petroleum, Newcrest Minerals, Fortescue Mining and Origin Energy all have monopoly control over the resources they exploit,

    The four major banks exercise almost 90% control over all transactions in the economy and the smaller banks have the same shareholding as the 'big four" as well,

    News Corporation controls over 80% of all metropolitan newspapers in Australia,

    Westfarmers operate Coles, Bunnings, Target, Kmart, Officeworks in duopoly markets,

    Telstra has a near monopoly,

    Woolworths operates in a duopoly with Coles.

    Westfield group operates a unique group of shopping centres without competition, and

    CSL has an almost complete monopoly on all blood products.

 

The top businesses in Australia do not exist within competitive environments and are able to earn above average profits. This has potential consequences for local innovation, consequences for sustainable exploitation of resources, consequences for which industries survive and which industries are lost, and consequences for the cost of living for Australians, not to mention fairness and transparency in the marketplace.

Murray Hunter is an associate professor at the University Malaysia Perlis.
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« Reply #133 on: December 20, 2013, 09:43:48 pm »
I sincerely hope that through this re adjustment phase the Australian worker is recognised, we’ve endured hardships before and this latest one just needs to be understood better before we stand up to it!

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« Reply #134 on: December 21, 2013, 05:15:45 am »
Another article worth reading.

... a highly unionised domestic car manufacturing industry could only survive behind a huge tariff wall If you float the dollar and deregulate finance, then you also needed to abandon existing work practises.
The article was written by Peter Costello.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-dinosaur-that-ate-holden/story-fni0cwl5-1226784404512

WHEN Holden announced last week it was leaving Australia one of the principle reasons it cited was the high value of the Australian dollar. Labor vented its outrage and blamed the Abbott government.

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