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Offline VMX Andrew

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2013, 08:45:21 pm »
Last year's pre 78 125 Aussies title was won by a 76 CR125 beating Brad to the title..
Only because Brad lost his muffler  :)

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2013, 09:12:48 pm »
I thought the Dutchie fell off in one race.....those CR motors go pretty good and you can make the rest of the bike work with the nearly 40 years of tuning/technology that we have now.....still rather an RM though, in NZ back in the day in 76/77 it was a sea of yellow peril, if you where'nt on a Suzuki you where'nt in the hunt.
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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2013, 08:03:33 am »
75 and 76 KX 125s are the same as 74 models except for paint and mudgaurd colour. They should definetly be pre 75 legal.
Sorry not correct I have a 74 and 75 125 rear shock position is the giveaway as to legality .
Forks are 32mm frame is different at steering head .

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2013, 09:49:37 am »
75 and 76 KX 125s are the same as 74 models except for paint and mudgaurd colour. They should definetly be pre 75 legal.
Sorry not correct I have a 74 and 75 125 rear shock position is the giveaway as to legality .
Forks are 32mm frame is different at steering head .

Well one  of us has it wrong then , do you have pictures ? because i cant see any difference in mime .

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2013, 10:36:11 am »
I don't know if they are disputed or not, but the '78 Montesa VB250 and 360 are virtually identical to the '77 models. I think that they are allowed in the AHMRA's Historic class (which M.A's pre '78 rules were copied from). The '78 VBs had remote reservoir shocks compared to the '77 model piggybacks and had a small muffler added to the end of the pipe. Also, the '78 model Husky CR250 and CR390 could also be possibly be allowed into pre'78 class, if a '77 model swingarm was fitted, as they are also pretty much unchanged from the '77 models. Apart from the swingarm, the only other differences that I know of are the tapered roller steering head bearings on the '78 frames and the exhaust pipe (which follows the same lines as the '77 anyway). Also the '78 AMX390 Auto Husky could also be considered for inclusion into the pre '78 class, as you could have easily built one of these from existing parts in '77.   

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2013, 11:16:16 am »
Can we get back to including the A4 in pre 78
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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2013, 12:55:31 pm »
The 1990 YZ 490 should be included in Pre 90, the only difference was the graphics.

This is a proper example of a carry over model.
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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2013, 12:59:47 pm »
The A4 was a completely new bike Mic...not much in common with team greens previous offerings....have you got one of the 1500 that they made that you have been hiding from us?...Merry Christmas big fella.
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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2013, 01:02:45 pm »
75 and 76 KX 125s are the same as 74 models except for paint and mudgaurd colour. They should definetly be pre 75 legal.
Sorry not correct I have a 74 and 75 125 rear shock position is the giveaway as to legality .
Forks are 32mm frame is different at steering head .

Well one  of us has it wrong then , do you have pictures ? because i cant see any difference in mime .
You are correct Bill.. Only the 250/400 had the different shock position. I raced a 76 KX125 with 74 tank colours in pre 75 without a problem

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2013, 01:07:06 pm »
The A4 was a completely new bike Mic...not much in common with team greens previous offerings....have you got one of the 1500 that they made that you have been hiding from us?...Merry Christmas big fella.
Exactly.. But I'd be happy if they included it, then I could use mine!

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2013, 03:35:30 pm »
The A4 was a completely new bike Mic...not much in common with team greens previous offerings....have you got one of the 1500 that they made that you have been hiding from us?...Merry Christmas big fella.
Exactly.. But I'd be happy if they included it, then I could use mine!
The A4 looks more pre 78 than allot of pre 78 bikes. I know it's not a flow on model but if it was up to me I would include it in pre 78. IMO we need to change the wording of the rules. to era instead of pre.
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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2013, 05:01:37 pm »
The A4 was a completely new bike Mic...not much in common with team greens previous offerings....have you got one of the 1500 that they made that you have been hiding from us?...Merry Christmas big fella.
Exactly.. But I'd be happy if they included it, then I could use mine!
The A4 looks more pre 78 than allot of pre 78 bikes. I know it's not a flow on model but if it was up to me I would include it in pre 78. IMO we need to change the wording of the rules. to era instead of pre.
Then it would be like Evo and you'd get untold complaints, people still can't get their simple minds around the Evo class rules.

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2013, 05:28:51 pm »
The most frustrating part about these arguments re a certain bike not being competitive is complete rubbish. Such as an a4 or a cr125 or 75  whatever model in pre 78. We ride on bowling greens these days so all the arguments are null and void. Suspension travel advantages don't mean shit. Both my pre 78 bikes are well under the legal limits in the rear yet I don't have any issues. If it were 1977 running on chopped up tracks, that would be a different thing.

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2013, 06:12:42 pm »
The most frustrating part about these arguments re a certain bike not being competitive is complete rubbish. Such as an a4 or a cr125 or 75  whatever model in pre 78. We ride on bowling greens these days so all the arguments are null and void. Suspension travel advantages don't mean shit. Both my pre 78 bikes are well under the legal limits in the rear yet I don't have any issues. If it were 1977 running on chopped up tracks, that would be a different thing.
It wouldn't matter what the rules were you'd still get people complaining, and it's nearly always those that don't race that class for one pathetic reason or another..

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Re: A list of "follow on models" that are disputed .
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2013, 11:08:32 pm »
Follow on models are bikes that haven't really changed apart from maybe colour or graphics.  Just because a bike in someones opinion should be in a lower year group doesn't mean it should or can be.
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