BSA project

[YZ250H]

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[firko]

It's a shame to see Paul have to move the project on but at least it's gone to a great home in the Klub Kevlar family and will be finished to a standard beyond the abilities of most of us. Another addition to the pre 65 resurgence .

[huskibul]

 Firko, I dont like to be a stick in the mud and i dont know if you know something i dont ,but  a couple of years back i was collecting parts to build a pre 65 bike using a sidepoint B-40 WD motor and was told  by the "heiracy" they dont fit into pre-65 ! the ol' rule "must be externally un-changed" meaning theres no distributor on top of cases! even though under the models listed for pre65 states "BSA -all except B44 and B50       has something changed !

[SlideRulz]

Good question Huskibul.

[jimg1au]

its alwasy been no b44 or b50 the wb is a follow on from the b40 its still a 350
all a65 bsa without oil in frame are legal but not oif ones
all unit 650 triumphs are legal as well but not oil in frame and 70s running gear is conical wheels
jim
yes some rules has been changed for the better

[huskibul]

   Youve missed the point jim, the forum has been over this in a few threads over the last few years and its not that clearcut ,   the "all except B44 and B50" rule has always been there unchanged -yes- but was over-ridden with the sidepoint not looking externally like the earlier distributor  B40 motor (as stated by an official )

[jimg1au]

any bsa is not in the book any more just checked allows follow ons wb40 is a follow on from the b40
18.5.2 Acceptable Machines and Components
- Pre 65.
18.5.2.1 Acceptable for the pre 65 class are
machines and components built up to
and including the 1964 model. The only
exception to this rule is where the model
remains unaltered after this date.
18.5.2.2 Frames of any manufacture are
acceptable within the suspension criteria
and considerate of the era.
18.5.2.3 Front wheel travel will not exceed 178mm
(7 inches) rear wheel travel will be limited
to 102mm (4 inches) measured at the
axle. Rear shock absorbers will be in
the original position using the original
mounting points.
18.5.2.4 Engines and gearboxes must remain
externally unchanged.
18.5.2.5 Carburettors; any type of pre 75 round
slide may be used.
18.5.2.6 Exhaust may be modified but must follow
the original lines and be fitted with an
effective muffler.
18.5.2.7 Folding footrests must be fitted.
18.5.2.8 Countershaft sprocket covers will be
fitted.
1975 cr125s are follow ons to 1974 and they have extra ports in the motor.

this is all the 2013  moms for pre65 a lot has changed

its like the rear chain gard rule all bike except cmx/cdt some officials only think they no the rules i take my moms to all meetings because of this
jim

[firko]

Without wanting to start another of those tedious eligibility threads, I reckon all B40's are legal. I think you'll find the points B40 was available prior to 1965. I have a bloke working on getting proof right as we speak.

[Davey Crocket]

Ted?

[Ted]

You can borrow my push-up bra and be Erin Brokovic for a while Davey. Now fu..koff and leave me alone. GO MANLY

[huskibul]

    If the rule "all except B44 and B50"  isnt in the latest MoMs book then theyve seen the loophole and taken it out!  its a fine line/long story when the sidepoint came out (64'65')  They rightfully belong in pre65 - they are pre65 in UK and US , just as the B44 is pre70 & B50 pre75 ,  Good luck with the submission , i have a good original cycle news article on jeff smiths 64' title winning sidepoint if it helps 

[firko]

Good luck with the submission , i have a good original cycle news article on jeff smiths 64' title winning sidepoint if it helps

First up I'm not making a submission, it's not my problem. The whole trouble with these situations is that people usually sit around waiting for someone else to do the hard work. Anything I find out will go straight on here and to the people directly involved and you and anyone else interested can start the submission ball rolling via your club. I've got my own difficult situation to deal with getting a points T100R Triumph motor into Pre 60. That's where my efforts are going. BTW....Jeff Smiths works bike has been submitted as proof of this or other situations before but Works bikes and Production bikes are different things. The production bikes release is what is taken into account.

[KTM47]

Please note anyone wanting to submit a rule change, please go to page 41 of the 2013 MOMS.

You will also be able to see that a submission for an amendment or new rule does not have to go through your Club or SCB. It can be sent straight to MA.

However a submission that has come from a club and has a SCB support has a better chance of going through.

If my memory is correct submissions have to be in around March next year.

I'm not sure if the forum is the best place to debate any changes there is just too much crap involved.

[huskibul]

    Thats fine! but after my son and i got told back in october 2011(half way thru build )that they don't fit in ,and i tried to drum up support to right it without success we moved on (very disappointing ),and since then we've all witnessed thru the RM-B swing arm debacle whats involved  in the "process" -  so ATM its over and out from this end and we will enjoy the old girl on club plates         PS   i think you'll find jeff smiths first title bike in 64' "black bess" was based on a production bike - its a grey area/fine line with dates with side points but for the good of the sport they should be  in as a carryover - simple

[KTM47]

That is exactly why I think debating things on the forum is not the right way. If you have something you think could/should be changed and you have some reasonable evidence, submit a rule change/amendment.

I have got several different rules added or changed. I did it directly through the system.

The majority of so called experts on this forum don't know what they are talking about.

Does everyone knows the definition of expert?