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Offline Nathan S

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Post 84 Evo bikes?
« on: August 16, 2013, 08:16:22 pm »
What is there?
Not interested in pre-85 carry-over models like TS185ER or XL185.

Only thing I can come up with is the 1985+ DT175N.

Anything else?
What about the 1985.0 Huskies (before they went to mono shock in 1985.5)? Any of them still air-cooled? Must be some sort of WR/XC500?

What about the CZ 513/514? Were they pre-85 or not?





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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 08:24:51 pm »
I think the 85 TE510 4 stroke was still twin shock air cooled..
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 10:01:34 am »
You could buy new CZ in 94 that IMO were evo legal. Have you ever seen one thou?

Look at what bike won the EVO open Cononadle Classic here a few weeks back. A stock KTM 390 with just a few motor mods. Gazzi rear shocks stock KTM forks and brakes. 
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 10:20:19 am »
Quote from: Slakewell on August 17, 2013, 10:01:34 am
You could buy new CZ in 94 that IMO were evo legal. Have you ever seen one thou?

Look at what bike won the EVO open Cononadle Classic here a few weeks back. A stock KTM 390 with just a few motor mods. Gazzi rear shocks stock KTM forks and brakes.
Yeah I was in that race, those Horwood brothers are fast and quite a few years younger..
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 12:04:53 pm »
Quote from: Slakewell on August 17, 2013, 10:01:34 am
You could buy new CZ in 94 that IMO were evo legal. Have you ever seen one thou?

That's the 513 (250) and 514 (400). There's a few around - at least one that gets used regularly in Victoria.

I'm 98% sure that the 90s models were the same as the 1984 models, making them a carry-over of a bike that was made before 1985.
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 12:07:25 pm »
Yeah I was in that race, those Horwood brothers are fast and quite a few years younger

They are not that much younger with the older one now in his 40's. You wont find them around the fire till the wee hours drinking fire water and telling true stories thou.  ;)
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 12:09:14 pm »
Those CZs are the same as the 1980 model aren't they?
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 12:16:22 pm »
This link says 1983: http://66.84.0.143/~ahrmanwc/CZmx4a.htm

Not sure if there were changes to later models? Doesn't seem likely...
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 06:14:09 pm »
I've looked at photos of at least 91 or maybe 92 models that are still Evo bikes. Even if they aren't quite the same they should qualify as an Evo bike. Not as a carry over fr an 80 model. I think you are going about it in the wrong way if you are doing it by year models.
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 07:55:59 pm »
The lack of year model stuff is a huge source of the vagueness.
If a 1992 CZ 513 isn't very closely related to a 1984 CZ 513 (I'm sure they are, but if they aren't), then it has no more of a claim to being an Evo bike than a 2013 SexMax does.
If they are very closely related, then there's no problem in calling it a carry-over bike.

If we don't put an age restriction on Evo, then we can't stop nonsense like the SexMax.
Evo needs an age limit to turn it into a historic category.


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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 08:00:09 pm »
Quote from: Nathan S on August 17, 2013, 07:55:59 pm
The lack of year model stuff is a huge source of the vagueness.
If a 1992 CZ 513 isn't very closely related to a 1984 CZ 513 (I'm sure they are, but if they aren't), then it has no more of a claim to being an Evo bike than a 2013 SexMax does.
If they are very closely related, then there's no problem in calling it a carry-over bike.

If we don't put an age restriction on Evo, then we can't stop nonsense like the SexMax.
Evo needs an age limit to turn it into a historic category.
Well thats fair enough. Isnickinoff in Czech might be pissed off though...
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2013, 09:32:14 pm »
Quote from: Nathan S on August 17, 2013, 12:16:22 pm
This link says 1983: http://66.84.0.143/~ahrmanwc/CZmx4a.htm

Not sure if there were changes to later models? Doesn't seem likely...

Did anyone look closely at this link? The CZs after 1982 have a single rear shock so are not legal for Evo class.

Please, the fictional bike called a SexMax is a modified OEM bike so is also not legal for Evo. If someone built a bike from scratch you could in theory make an Evo eligible bike, but why the hell would you?

Leave the Evo rules as they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 10:05:17 pm »
Quote from: KTM47 on August 17, 2013, 09:32:14 pm
Did anyone look closely at this link? The CZs after 1982 have a single rear shock so are not legal for Evo class.

Please, the fictional bike called a SexMax is a modified OEM bike so is also not legal for Evo. If someone built a bike from scratch you could in theory make an Evo eligible bike, but why the hell would you?



You clearly didn't.
The 516, 513 and 514 are the only production models among them, and they were made from 1983 into the 1990s.

Once I call my fictional bike a SexMax, I become the OEM, and it becomes legal.
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 06:58:30 am »
Quote from: KTM47 on August 17, 2013, 09:32:14 pm
Quote from: Nathan S on August 17, 2013, 12:16:22 pm
This link says 1983: http://66.84.0.143/~ahrmanwc/CZmx4a.htm

Not sure if there were changes to later models? Doesn't seem likely...
Did anyone look closely at this link? The CZs after 1982 have a single rear shock so are not legal for Evo class.
Only the 519 model 125 that was sold to the public got a mono shock & discs, all the 513 & 514 250s & 380s are twinshock, drum braked & aircooled which makes them evo legal.
I've seen tests from in the 90s of the 380s when they were selling for about 3k new as playbikes & they still looked like a late 70s bike
There may have been some 250s available with monoshocks but you're not likely to see 1 anywhere but europe
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Re: Post 84 Evo bikes?
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2013, 02:00:35 pm »
Thanks.
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