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Tony T

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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2013, 05:09:33 pm »


Fark! Some bastard's already built one!
Dunno why they put an extra shock on it, though?

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Oh yeah, PDS or whatever they call it isn't linkage, is it?  ::)

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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2013, 05:12:07 pm »


Fark! Some bastard's already built one!
Dunno why they put an extra shock on it, though?

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Oh yeah, PDS or whatever they call it isn't linkage, is it?  ::)

That's why the SexMax uses a KTM-EXC based frame. ;)

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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2013, 05:53:00 pm »
It won't pass scrutineering the Sexmax has got a side stand on it disqualified Nathan
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2013, 06:16:27 pm »
Thats all bullshit, it has to be period correct and none of the bikes you mentioned are.
Put your money where your mouth is and turn up to a title event with one and see how far you get!

What's the "period" for Evo, then?

To repeat the point for the 10,000th time: Evo is not defined by age, it is defined by technology. This means that a 2013 bike that meets the criteria is legal.

I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars building a bike that I don't want to own.  ::)
You pay for it, and I'll be more than happy to enter it at any event you like.
I think this covers it Nathan
18.5.6.1 Bikes will be OEM (original equipment
             manufacture).
18.5.6.2 Modifications converting later equipment
             to comply will not be allowed.

18.5.6.3 All components will be of the period the
             machine was manufactured:
            a) No linkage suspension,
            b) No disk brakes,
            c) air cooled motors.

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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2013, 06:36:25 pm »
If you start with a 2013 KTM all parts are OEM

This bike has a PDS rear setup which is NON LINKAGE

ALL componenents are of the PERIOD OF MANUFACTURE

Being a 2013 model ALL MODIFICATIONS are of the period or EARLIER construction

You could keep the hydraulic clutch, USD fork, fuel injection if it had it, etc.

Fit a Air cooled motor and drum brakes and argue it out. I think you would have a case as there is NO cutoff in dates for Evo
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Montynut

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2013, 06:49:13 pm »
Ted, Nathan suggested machining the water jacket off a water cooled bike and then fitting drum brakes both of which render the bike outside EVO under rule 18.5.6.2 & 3.

I am not commenting further ::)

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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2013, 06:50:57 pm »
The way i read it is the "bike" must be OEM with no linkage, have drum brakes and air cooled.  As soon as you are missing one of these requirements then you are out.  You could call it any thing you want but if one of the components was from a bike that did not comply then I thing you would have to take it home.
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2013, 06:55:08 pm »
I wish Jeffy would come back....Nathan needs a real hard arse competitor, GMC is too soft....living in the hillbillies holiday home has turned him from a hard arse Kawasaki rider to a soft cock canned ham wobbler.
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2013, 06:55:57 pm »
3 pages and counting Nathan I really think your 18 page record is safe as we no longer (surely) fall for your twisted sense of fun ::)

OK I commented further but this is it ;)

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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2013, 06:56:35 pm »
this has been done before and raced at national level
turning a late it yamaha into a twin shock raced in evo
nathan is always over the top but mods like turning a linkage bike into twin shock has been done and passed at national level
and if we had log books like road racing it would be an evo bike forever
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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2013, 07:05:32 pm »
Thats all bullshit, it has to be period correct and none of the bikes you mentioned are.
Put your money where your mouth is and turn up to a title event with one and see how far you get!

What's the "period" for Evo, then?

To repeat the point for the 10,000th time: Evo is not defined by age, it is defined by technology. This means that a 2013 bike that meets the criteria is legal.



 Well its is Dated 

    In the Time line of the the Rule Book of M.A the Mons   Evo is placed arfter Per 78 and is place Befor Pre 85 ..
     So it say that evo are bike made arfter 1978 and are bikes  that dont fit the Pre 1985 rules ..
     So it places  Bikes Made arfter 1978 up to 1984 ...As EVO But thay Must Fit the EVO Rules

    and a 2013 bike is made well arfter the Pre 1990 Rule so that any thing made arfter that dose Not Fit the Rules
    it is in the rule Book You jushave to read it and under stand it 
    sume Blokes  just dont want to under stand The Rule Book ...

    And With Out Rule you Get Anarchy
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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2013, 07:13:32 pm »
Yawn....
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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2013, 07:15:44 pm »
Ted, Nathan suggested machining the water jacket off a water cooled bike and then fitting drum brakes both of which render the bike outside EVO under rule 18.5.6.2 & 3.

I am not commenting further ::)

You've missed the point where the bike is unashamedly a 2013 model.
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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2013, 07:18:35 pm »
Thats all bullshit, it has to be period correct and none of the bikes you mentioned are.
Put your money where your mouth is and turn up to a title event with one and see how far you get!

What's the "period" for Evo, then?

To repeat the point for the 10,000th time: Evo is not defined by age, it is defined by technology. This means that a 2013 bike that meets the criteria is legal.



 Well its is Dated 

    In the Time line of the the Book of M.A the Mons   Evo is placed arfter Per 78 and is place Befor Pre 85 ..
     So it say that evo are bike made arfter 1978 that dont fit the Pre 85 rules ..

    and a 2013 bike is made well arfter the Pre 90 Rule so that that it is in the rule Book just sume
   Bloke just want to under stand The Rule Book ...

Depends on which bit of the CMX regs that you look at (the list of classes puts Evo as the newest, but it's regs are between Pre-78 and Pre-85), but it's a trivial point: there's still no age cut-off for Evo.
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Re: What bikes are eligible for what classes
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2013, 07:20:40 pm »
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nathan is always over the top but mods like turning a linkage bike into twin shock has been done and passed at national level 
When, where? The UK or Holland maybe Jim but not here.......more details matey?
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