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Offline Brian Watson

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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2013, 12:21:26 pm »
of course that's "Shrubland" Park.. was a great day..had some fun talking to Donny Collins who also raced a Maico at teh same time as Bill before he got the first HVA in 1965.

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 12:37:27 pm »
in that picture.. Richie Kings on 92 on the D.O.T.. disappearing from view.. Bill on the Maico with the black and yellow check helmet.. Terry O'Leary far left (just) on a Greeves..  Bill Donovon on #70... Peter Groucott in the background on # 28.. Jim Renfree on #14 in the middle..

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 11:48:54 am »
found another old maico yesterday. still trying to work out what it is. 250/ blizzard type off thing  complete but missing seat ,was told it has a reco,d engine

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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2013, 07:31:53 pm »
Sorry to be pedantic Watto, No 14 is Gordon Renfree.

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2013, 07:45:56 pm »
The other photo is of course Big Bill, Gordon Renfree chasing. I think the other is 63 but dont know who he is ??

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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 08:20:02 pm »

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 09:51:31 pm »
Great shot Martin, possibly 1957 European 250 champion Fritz Betzelbacher stylin' it 50's style. Betzelbacher was the closest Maico had to a world champion as in 1957 the European title was considered the ultimate achievement on a 250. The 250 class got world title status in 1958.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                            Former Maico works racers from the fifties  l-r Willi Oesterle, Fritz Betzelbacher, Otto Walz, Erwin Schmieder und Gerhard Stauch.
                                          
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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2013, 04:21:41 pm »
A friend of mine Juha Monto Race's one in Finland ,the front end broke off at one stage. Ola did he crash in that picture you put up?

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2013, 04:42:09 pm »
The photo was probably taken 35 years before I was born, and I just found it on the net, so I have no idea if he saved it... :)

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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2013, 04:43:28 pm »
I have a gastank like the silver one in the last photo if someone needs it...

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2013, 04:50:57 pm »
Sorry, been slow to respond.
I've gotten a few pm's about the tank, but Mick De was first, so he gets first pick.
I'll try to check shipping and get a photo next week, as I don't have it at home.

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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2013, 10:26:00 am »
any body interested in a blizzard im going to see one today some time

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2013, 10:34:44 am »
Paul, I need a tank if the bloke happens to have a spare one. Mick De beat me to Martins. Take some photos and put it up here, there's a groundswell of interest in early Maicos starting to emerge.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2013, 03:20:30 pm »
Maico Metisse pre 65 update: My Petite Metisse Bultaco frame has finally arrived after it's long and harrowing journey from Flowerpot Ben's house in the UK to Casa del Firko in Sydneys golden west. Today I got around to doing a mock up to see what fits what and my first problem has ALREADY raised its ugly head. All along I'd been dreading that the side exhaust port oval barrel would foul the front downtube so it wasn't a shock when I found my prophecy to be true. The exhaust exits straight into the downtube (see bottom photo). There's a few different cures to the problem but unfortunately none of them are easy. The first and most obvious is to modify the frame by putting a loop in the downtube. It's a pretty straightforward fabrication exercise but with genuine Rickman built Petite Metisse frames being the rarest of the rare (it's one of only 102 made) I'm hesitant of doing such a radical change. The next alternative is to move the exhaust port to the centre of the barrel. I've spoken to Frank Stanborough and another good race engineer and they both reckon it's not as big a job as it initially seems. With the exhaust port moved and a later square barrel or radial sleeve used the exhaust clearance problem is solved. Of course, I'll be modifiying a fairly rare 360 oval cylinder but when it's weighed up Maico 360 engines are nowhere as rare as Petite Rickman frames so I don't have any concience issues about doing the barrel mod. Of course, that stupid "engines must remain externally unchanged" or whatever the wording is could be used to protest the mod but Frank tells me that "centreporting" was a common modification on all sorts of engines back in the day so if anyone wants to protest the bike using that rule I'll have done my homework and will have to bring their A game to the protest table ;D.

The third option is to use a single downtube frame that fits the bill....the most obvious being a period Maico frame like Mick De and Rodger Starkey are using. That's a sensible option but by doing that I'm just building another modified Maico, I want to build something different yet legal. I've got a Cotton Cobra frame which is super light but it's twin downtube which would give me the same clearance woes. I've got a period BSA frame but it's too bloody heavy......so, moving the exhaust port to a more convenient location is the way I'm going.

I'm using Rickman Zundapp wheels, Mexican Betor forks from a Cooper 250, the cool ethanol proof glass shown in the photos supplied by Ben and will build an up pipe to suit the flow of the frame. The engine in the photos is a mock up using my 360 barrel on my basket case 250 oval bottom end as the 360 is currently apart getting a 350 crank, Yamaha YZ250 J rod, big end pin and bearing, put together and balanced by Franks Cranks. The head is half welded up and once finished will be shipped off to RK-TEK in the USA for their unique machining http://www.2strokeheads.com/VintageMX.htm. Frank and I will do the ports using ideas oval barrel guru the late Jim McCabe sent me a few years agohttp://cybermotorcycle.com/archives/maicomadness/early.htm . This is going to be a lengthy build that I hope to have done by this time next year.
                                                                          
                                                                          
« Last Edit: April 29, 2013, 10:14:23 pm by firko »
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Re: MAICO Pre-60 Iron Barrel Blizzard Project.
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2013, 04:15:58 pm »
  Here's a centre ported oval barrel Maico Metisse
                                                                    
                                                                               
« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 02:14:29 pm by firko »
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha