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Offline Grunter215

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Re: Yz wide pegs
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 08:22:02 pm »
Yeah go for it Ted,let us all know what the results are.Not saying theyr'e good/bad just thought i'd test them outta curiosity.

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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 08:22:47 pm »
I would have thought your foot/leg would brake before the peg?
Impact is impact right?
Anyone good at physics ?
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 08:30:30 pm »
Ted you go ahead and do whatever you like, you've proven on many occasions now that you will refuse to take anybody elses opinion on board nor even be respectful enough to acknowledge their right to have that opinion. You seem to feel the need to naysay and offer only negativity whenever you see the opportunity to do so, iv'e never witnessed a single positive sentence come from you towards another. So you go for it buddy, grab your hammer and start belting the living suitcase out of whatever you like. Have fun  :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 08:36:54 pm »
     I have been using $30 Chinese ones for 3 years now on various I T
     Yamaha's from 175 to 250they are only a copy of your $150 ones
    
     Lets face it there is not much you Buy that is not made in China
     these days.
     But they wont tell you where they are Made when they take your
     $150 bucks..

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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 11:32:46 pm »
I have one of those pegs from firkos pic. They seem ok quality, ok you gan see some mold marks but there doesnt seem to be any porosity wich would lead to failure. Havent used them yet, but will use in my HL project and have no fear, probably my selfmade frame scares me more  ;)

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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2013, 12:07:54 am »
It,s kinda funny how we trust the Jap,s so much  :-\    jimson
« Last Edit: February 27, 2013, 12:10:57 am by jimson »
Just a balless freak having a go

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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2013, 12:34:30 am »
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There still made out of plastic Firko and my legs/ankles/hips and the rest of my old body is worth more to me than a pair of chinesse chinka footpegs to save a few bucks.....there is no recourse if something tragic happened....I really dont know why you keep pushing the chinesse shit....especially since you dont see any action these days and I'm sure if you fronted to your doctor with busted up legs after he rebuilds them for you cause of a chinka footpeg he would not be a happy camper.
Because they are the exact same items in the flash marketing. Where do you think the expensive ones are made John, in the USA? Give me a flucking break, they're made in the exact same factories as the bling ones you buy from the snappy online stores in the gorgeous shrinkwrap packaging. I've said it before, a mate was in China on business and saw the name brand pegs being packaged right next to the generic ones. Why do you guys instantly dismiss everything made in China as shit without even looking into it? I personally don't care what you or anyone uses but there's no way I'd go on here and tout them if I thought they were of any lesser quality than the expensive items.
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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2013, 01:11:06 am »
Everyone knows I'm not a bling lover, and I'm really not a 'brand snob'. Here's my story of Chinese footpegs:

Years ago, I bought some of the better Chinese pitbike pegs. Cast/forged stainless steel, looked like very good quality (consistant shape, no visible porosity, etc).
Cost me $50/pair from the pitbike shop near my mum's place in North Wollongong.

Eventually those pegs made their way onto the KX200. There's a fast section through the tea-trees in the middle of the loop at Rockley - just after the gnarliest downhill in the loop, IIRC. You zig-zag up the hill, with the last part having a fairly big rolling dip, before a short uphill and then the track curves left into the trees. .
Anyhow, if you were having a red-hot go on the 200, you'd hit the roller flat knacker in 4th gear and it was a lot of fun.

What's not so fun is when the right hand footpeg breaks at the bottom of the dip when you're flat out in 4th gear... I stayed upright, but it was a f$%king wild ride for a bit there.

I went back and picked up the broken peg. It had snapped clean across the pivot point, with no sign of fatigue cracking.

It was about then that I got thinking about how mainstream manufacturers 'always' use steel for dirt bike pegs...

I hammered it into a gumtree a bit further on - might even still be there if anyone wants to check...
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2013, 01:15:36 am »
Have used these on my YZ465  for the last 2 years. I would not trust the cheap chinese pegs.
These are for Honda minis and bolt right up. The nice thing is that they have an adjustment
to level them out ( very cool for old sagged out mounts).

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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2013, 12:35:38 pm »
Look, I can understand why people denigrate anything made in China.....much of it is indeed substandard. However I think that you're also overlooking the point that (rightly or wrongly) a high proportion of items we use in our day to day lives eminate from China. Why I get so annoyed with this often repeated footpeg debate is the blind faith shown that because the expensive pegs are sold with American or European branding and packaging that the item simply must be made in the country of origin of the company name on the box. My big problem is that because almost all of them are made in China, the huge price mark up is seen by many as a justification that they're buying top shelf quality. If you believe that I've got a big grey bridge parked down in Sydney I can pass on for a good price.

I really don't care what people use on their bikes, some folks are 'do it yourself guys' on a limited budget, while others have no worries paying others to build their bikes, money for the big bling bits being no object. That's cool too, we're all achieving the same result in the end. What I've strived to do is to show cheaper alternatives to the mainstream ways of doing things....it's almost an obsession. That's the psychology behind my DT1 fetish, to show that one can build a bike almost as cool as the high bling 490 Maicos or Rickman Metisses of the world for an affordable price if you're half smart. That's also why I offer up the Chinese alternative to mainstream parts as an option but it really pisses me off when punters automatically reject alternatives because of their Chinese origin without even looking into it.

Are any of you aware that nearly all alloy car wheels, whether they be aftermarket or OEM are made in China these days? That nearly all aftermarket inlet manifolds, alloy heads and cast pistons sold in big name US packaging are made in China these days. Yep, that good old Edelbrock manifold on your Chevy blingmobile came out of Shenzhen, China. That Mikuni carby in the shiny new package you bought from a respected retailer may also have originated in China. The Japanese motorcycle and car manufacturers are also out sourcing more and more of their manufacturing processes to China but they're not going to advertise it. So, when something like the stainless steel footpegs I'm talking about are openly advertised as Chinese you all go into hissy fits of disgust, smug in the knowledge that your good 'ol American DG (or pick any othe name brand) pegs are the good stuff. They are good but they're no different to the better quality Chinese pitbike product. How can you tell the difference between the good ones and the shit I hear you ask?
That's the big question here. The cast iron pegs that TFR posted on page one are classic examples of the lowest peg on the pole, I'm sorry TFR but those pegs are dangerous shit. I had a pair on my Boyd and Stellings TM400 that fell off the stand in my garage...the only damage to the bike being a footpeg snapped off at the pivot! They're now removed and a lesson was learned...damn, at that stage I could have been president of the anti Chinese club. What changed me was admiring the pegs on a racers bike at CD7 and his telling me they were $40 forged stainless steel made for Chinese mini's off eBay. He sent me the eBay link, I bought a set and promptly cut them in half to check out the steel they were made from. Yes they are forged and yes they are staino so I then bought three sets and today they're on my bikes ready for this seasons races. To end this I'm even prepared to buy another pair, fit them to an old RT1 frame I've got down at the farm and do the Ted inspired 8lb sledge hammer destructo test. If they break I'll be honest enough to photograph the operation and report it here.....I'm not afraid of admitting I'm wrong, especially when safety is concerned.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2013, 12:40:55 pm by firko »
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Re: Yz wide pegs
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2013, 01:06:22 pm »
Mark,
         How do you have confidence in a product when it lists it selling location as POSTOFFICE. CHINA?

It wasn't me who came up with the sledgehammer idea. It was old mate telling us he finished up giving it 20 good hits with one and no damage. What a ridiculous statement. I reckon he missed 20 times . I don't care if they are the top pegs out there , one hit with a sledgy and its all over.

You seem to have a penchant for advertising bikes from overseas and parts from China and elsewhere thereby totally eliminating every Australian business from supplying these products. You claim to do it to make it more affordable for the average punter. This will only lead to one thing and I hope I'm still around to hear you'se all bleating about poor quality, high prices, extraordinary postal charges and long lead times when Aus businesses close their doors.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2013, 01:51:37 pm »
I learned long ago that the man with the data will nearly always win an argument against a man with just an opinion.  The man with the data and an opinion is unbeatable. So many times the man with an just opinion also has the loudest voice and bullies his way to a victory. I've been  following this debate and I'm seeing a lot of opinions (some hard won it must be said)but not much data. I wonder if there is a standard for footpeg construction? Respectfully as always Jerry

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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2013, 01:55:31 pm »
$2.00 head / $ 2.00 helmet or beanie

$ 2.00 legs / $2.00 foot pegs

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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2013, 04:17:57 pm »
I learned long ago that the man with the data will nearly always win an argument against a man with just an opinion.  The man with the data and an opinion is unbeatable. So many times the man with an just opinion also has the loudest voice and bullies his way to a victory. I've been  following this debate and I'm seeing a lot of opinions (some hard won it must be said)but not much data. I wonder if there is a standard for footpeg construction? Respectfully as always Jerry

Indeed.

I see two main reasons why nobody has any data:
1. Footpegs failing will be as much about fatigue life as outright tensile (or bending!) strength. It's particularly difficult to accurately test for fatigue life.
2. None of us know what the acceptable limits are for either fatigue life or outright strength anyhow.


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Stock pegs 'never' catastrophically fail. They wear, get floppy and sag lots well before they let go.
It's way more common for people to break peg mounting points, than stock pegs. This says something... ;)

The pegs in the original post are about 10mm higher than most stock Yammie pegs. This makes the cramped riding position even more cramped.

There's a lot of interchangablity between footpegs. It seems that manufacturers/ebay sellers are deliberately confusing the issue of what's interchangable.
With very few, obvious exceptions, Yamaha dirt bike pegs are almost universally interchangable until 1996 or so. Even the later ones can be made to fit by going narrowing the mounting boss and going to a 10mm pin (ie: drilling the frame mounting holes out - because you don't have crappy Suzuki engineering, this will not be a problem).

XR400 pegs will also work on most older Yammies (10mm pivot pin again).
A late Yamaha footpeg will go straight onto a 99~02 Husqvarna 2T, and an 07 GasGas. This suggests that the reverse is true, and that newer and later Husky and GG pegs may also work.




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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2013, 04:26:42 pm »
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You seem to have a penchant for advertising bikes from overseas and parts from China and elsewhere thereby totally eliminating every Australian business from supplying these products.
Deepest apologies for my late reply....I've been spending my money in Australian owned supermarket, butcher and fruit and veg market, trying like buggery to limit my purchases to Aussie products. While on the road I took my dog to my Australian vet and booked my car in for a service at my Aussie owned mechanic. How flucking dare anyone accuse me of contributing to the downfall of Australian industry when you, your next door neighbour and everyone reading this are equally to blame for what's happened by buying by price over quality for the last half a century. If my suggesting that a local VMXer might just save himself a buck by purchasing frorm overseas well I've done my bit to help his cause. I'm not here to save the nation, I'm just here to try and make our sport better by making it more accessible. I've never twisted anyones leg to buy from overseas Ted. I'm merely showing options, how people react to those options is their perogative. The bikes I buy from overseas, almost down to every last nut and bolt are absolutely unavailable in this country so in effect I'm adding to the mix with bikes that would otherwise never be seen here. I haven't seen a Hindall or Cheney dealer here lately. ::)

I'm over the footpeg thing, use whatever makes you happy. Nearly everyone has missed my point anyway, it being that the so called bling pegs you buy from the big retailers are almost all made in China. So are half of the disposables or replaceables you use on your bike, like it or not it's a fact. If it says Made in USA on the package it possibly is....if there's no country of origin on the package you can bet your sweet bippy it's made in China. It shits me seeing products selling for $120 that are exactly the same item as a $30 set from "Post Office, China", people blindly buying the shiny bling because "they wouldn't be caught dead with that Chinese shit".

That grey coat hanger shaped bridge I spoke of earlier is still for sale....any takers?
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