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Offline Slakewell

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Engine Eligibility question
« on: December 29, 2012, 01:47:00 pm »
Not trying to start a shit fight just a simple yes or no.

XR 200 engines, The 1980/81 XR 200 was twin shock , the motor did not change until 84 thou the frame changed too single shock in 82, then the engine returned in 86 till late 90's
Are the later engines follow on and legal for evo twin shock?
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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 01:58:45 pm »
I hope so. I'd love to see one go up against a YZ 250 H....... :)

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 05:08:56 pm »
please answer I would love to hear the outcome, so with the same engineering ruleing how far can you go ? and takeing TS400 ruleing into account ???

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 06:14:58 pm »
I'm Gunna say no, reason being the follow on rule was based on complete bikes, not components. If the motor came from a single shock XR then technically it's not legal in the evo class.
Didn't the twin shock XR's have points ignition run off the cam, and single shock went to electronic?
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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 08:22:58 pm »
Twin shock was CDI most parts are Identical or not visually distinguishable,

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 09:10:48 pm »
There was 1979 manufactured Honda XL 185S, I got a frame from a wreckers for $50 they had a whole bike for $450 that would get you into the pre 80's Twin shocks,
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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 09:46:37 pm »
So what has electronics got to do with it?
If we had to rely on old spark systems on the side cars we wouldnt have any

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 09:56:26 pm »
Would it be the same as a cr480 motor in a twin shock frame? It comes out of a single shock bike so it isn't allowed.

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 10:25:14 pm »
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Would it be the same as a cr480 motor in a twin shock frame? It comes out of a single shock bike so it isn't allowed.

Normally that would be right but if the motor appeared both in a twin shock frame and a single shock frame then I think it would be Evo legal.

Assuming that the motors are identical, which means cases, head barrel and gearset.
Ignition methods are optional.

Other motors that I believe fall into the same category are the first four stroke Husky 510 motors
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82 Maico 490 motor which appeared in the MX single shock and the GS twinshock
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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 10:33:28 pm »
So what has electronics got to do with it?


A fair bit if your trying to prove that two different era motors are identical, if one had points on the end of the cam and another didn't then they aren't identical, similar, but not the same.

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 10:34:22 pm »
My understanding of the follow on rule was that if it was identical externally then it was acceptable.
I'm sure there is plenty of up-to-'84 XS650 donks getting around in Pre '75 chairs, with different cranks, cams pistons, clutches, gearboxes and ignitions...
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 10:36:40 pm by 270YAM »

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2012, 10:44:03 pm »
These threads drive me nuts.
Imagine you had an 82/83 motor in bits on the bench, and an 86+ motor in bits on the bench, and all the parts were jumbled up.

1. Any part that is identical or cannot be reasonably identified as 86+ is legal for pre-85.
2. Any part that cannot be seen from the outside is effectively legal, even if its different* (subject to the usual restrictions to the number of forward gears, and the bike being entered in the correct capacity class).

If, for example, the 86 has a higher compression piston or bigger cam, then that's 100% legal as the internal parts are essentially free.
If, for example, the pre-85 motors were only 5-speed (they weren't), then the later model 6-speed would not be legal.
If, for example, the 86+ motor has a different head casting with more fins or something, then that's not legal (but highly likely to be ignored).
If, for example, the 86+ motor has a different head with a centre port rather than a side port, then that would not be legal.
If, for example, the 86+ motor had a longer conrod and a taller barrel, then the longer rod would be legal, but the taller barrel would not.

*This is not 100% technically correct, but it's how it works.

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Ignitions are specifically allowed to be swapped from points to CDI, with the only real condition being that the motor must appear era-correct from the outside.


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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2012, 11:17:16 pm »
What about performance parts from the same era.

Eg fitting a DG cylinder head ? Or DG swing arm? 
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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 11:24:33 pm »
1979 XR185 visually the same and Pre 80 Legal

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Re: Engine Eligibility question
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2012, 08:08:22 am »
So if you put a points cover on it as from memory the cdi cover has 'Cdi' on it, then it would look exactly the same.
I really don't see why you would want to reverse engineer like that. You will be a sweep rider running that!
Each to their own eh  ???