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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #135 on: January 16, 2013, 05:20:23 pm »
closest camp ground I could find is this one
western side of freeway

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
That camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say  :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
I live 30mins from it and travel past it a fair bit ;D I dont thing I would leave a bike on a trailer there during the night. :-\
The track is only 15mins from lake macquarie toronto etc for accommodation if needed.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #136 on: January 16, 2013, 05:38:27 pm »
good info thanks Mick

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2013, 06:31:37 pm »
closest camp ground I could find is this one
western side of freeway

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
That camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say  :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
I live 30mins from it and travel past it a fair bit ;D I dont thing I would leave a bike on a trailer there during the night. :-\
The track is only 15mins from lake macquarie toronto etc for accommodation if needed.
Agree with Mick except remove the words "a bit"  ;)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #138 on: January 16, 2013, 09:31:04 pm »
teralba has a nice caravan park

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #139 on: January 16, 2013, 10:31:27 pm »
thanks for all the info
keep it coming ;D
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #140 on: January 17, 2013, 06:56:36 am »
A different take on the length of the races. I put this here not to have a go at anyone, just to keep balance to the discussion.

I know we are 'not as young as we used to be', and the main reason we race is to 'have fun' and we are 'not racing for sheep stations' but this is a National Motocross Title and if there was ever an event that should try to remain an authentic Motocross event then I would have thought this would be it.

Yes I am 'not as young as I used to be' and I am in the sport to 'have fun' but I am in this sport to race Motocross and race hard, albeit with a larger margin of safety than when I was younger. I know I am not alone, the guys I race with are serious racers as well, the racing is clean but they are out there to beat me just as much as I am out there to beat them. I know they are by how aggressively they block pass me, or lean on me as we jostle for position through the first few corners of a race.

While we are not racing for sheep stations, the question is, how authentic do we want our National titles to be? To keep a Motocross race authentic, the result, especially the National Title, should not be so influenced by how good a riders start was, or how souped up his bike was to get that start. Short races bias the result too much towards the guys who got the best start and can hang on for a few laps, not the guys who are necessarily the best Motocross racers. Sure, starts are an important skill in Motocross but I have seen National Titles won by guys who got mid pack starts and fought their way to the front of the pack, I am sure you all have as well. I have also seen guys holeshot a race and then fade back through the field because they haven't prepared them self physically for the challenge. In a recent Heaven event the Heaven GP, a 15 minute plus 1 lap, our fastest guy got the holeshot then bobbled over in a slow corner allowing most of the pack to pass him. About 10 minutes into the race, he roared by me and I think by the time the race ended he was in the top 5 and still won the overall. That is authentic Motocross.

I am not saying we should not make concessions for the fact we 'are not as young as we used to be' but for a National Title, lets not make too much of a concession and make the titles a farce. If the young guys are racing 30 or 40 minutes races plus 1 for title races, sure cut our races down...by half. I know I keep harping on about this but if I read posts asking for shorter races, I think it is important that the decision makers for our sport know that there are some of us who don't believe shorter races are not ideal for this event and why.
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #141 on: January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 am »
Sure, starts are an important skill in Motocross but I have seen National Titles won by guys who got mid pack starts and fought their way to the front of the pack, I am sure you all have as well. I have also seen guys holeshot a race and then fade back through the field because they haven't prepared them self physically for the challenge. In a recent Heaven event the Heaven GP, a 15 minute plus 1 lap, our fastest guy got the holeshot then bobbled over in a slow corner allowing most of the pack to pass him. About 10 minutes into the race, he roared by me and I think by the time the race ended he was in the top 5 and still won the overall. That is authentic Motocross.

He roared by the whole field taking the lead at about the 13min mark twas great to watch as well ;) 8) - he was knackered at the end though 8)
Took the overall with two 1st place finishers  ;) :)
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #142 on: January 17, 2013, 08:51:05 am »
Totally agree with your comments KJ, bring on authentic motocross.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #143 on: January 17, 2013, 09:26:21 am »
I also prefer longer races  :) but from a clubs perspective its a very difficult balancing act . From what i have read on here the host club is being very proactive and are doing all they can to accomodate all competitors wishies and make this a kick arse event .

With this being the first event since the split ( and for some their first vintage nats ) its important for everyone to get behind the club and support the event .

There are so many classes and until the club has recieved all entries they cant possibly know what classes they can combine and therefore how many individual races they will have to run per round .

Its an impossible task to please every bugger  ::) long races , short races , back to back races , sidecar support races , camping , and complying with local govnt and MA rules and regulations not to mention that speedway act .

The fact the club started this thread shows a willingness and a passion to do the best they can by everyone concerned  :) If everyone gets their entries in as soon as there available surley thats got help the club set their schedule .

Whatever the outcome of the race duration i am confident that the club will have looked at all its options and given everyone a fair go  :)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #144 on: January 17, 2013, 09:40:32 am »
I know we are 'not as young as we used to be', and the main reason we race is to 'have fun' and we are 'not racing for sheep stations' but this is a National Motocross Title and if there was ever an event that should try to remain an authentic Motocross event then I would have thought this would be it.

Certainly some good points that should be debated but will this thread also disappear if someone says something that is not liked!!!

15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.

Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.


I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #145 on: January 17, 2013, 09:49:22 am »
Hope this link helps with accomodation
http://www.stayz.com.au/accommodation/nsw/hunter/toronto?view=map

The track is on Cessnock Rd about half way along its length. Approx 2Km from F3 Freeway

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #146 on: January 17, 2013, 09:52:50 am »
15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.
Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.
I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.

It appears that the age races have to be seperate from the outright EVO races and will have to be therefore shorter than the major classes (major as in open as apposed to more important OK). Everyone just be a little patient and all will come together over the next week or so. We have tried to get as much input as possible to go in a direction to try and make this as successful and enjoyable for everyone as possible.

We do need an indication of entry numbers from the sidecars
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #147 on: January 17, 2013, 12:04:59 pm »
For Discussion (classes only not race format)

2013 Post Classic MX Nationals               
   Friday 3/5/13            
   9:00 AM      Scrutineering      3:30
   12:30 PM      riders brief      0:15
   12:45 PM            
         Practice      
1   1:00 PM   Practice   all 125   20mins   0:22
2   1:22 PM   Practice   all 250   20mins   0:22
3   1:44 PM   Practice   all 263 & over   20mins   0:22
4   2:06 PM   Practice   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   20mins   0:22
5   2:28 PM   Practice   all 125   20mins   0:22
6   2:50 PM   Practice   all 250   20mins   0:22
7   3:12 PM   Practice   all 263 & over   20mins   0:22
8   3:34 PM   Practice   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   20mins   0:22
   3:56 PM            
   Saturday 4/5/13            
   6:30 AM      Scrutineering      1:00
   7:30 AM      riders brief & welcome      0:45
   8:15 AM            
         Racing      
1   8:30 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
2   8:50 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
3   9:10 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
4   9:30 AM   Round 1   Evolution  125 age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
5   9:43 AM   Round 1   Evolution  250 age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
6   9:56 AM   Round 1   Evolution  263 & over age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
7   10:09 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
8   10:29 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
9   10:49 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
10   11:09 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
11   11:29 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
12   11:49 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
13   12:09 PM   Round 1   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
14   12:29 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
15   12:49 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
16   1:09 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
17   1:29 PM   Round 2   Evolution  125 age racing   5 laps   0:13
18   1:42 PM   Round 2   Evolution  250 age racing   5 laps   0:13
19   1:55 PM   Round 2   Evolution  263 & over age racing   5 laps   0:13
20   2:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
21   2:28 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
22   2:48 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
23   3:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
24   3:28 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
25   3:48 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
26   4:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
   4:28 PM      finish      
   Sunday 5/5/13            
   8:30 AM      riders brief      0:15
   8:45 AM            
27   9:00 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
28   9:20 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
29   9:40 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
30   10:00 AM   Round 3   Evolution  125 age racing   5 laps   0:13
31   10:13 AM   Round 3   Evolution  250 age racing   5 laps   0:13
32   10:26 AM   Round 3   Evolution  263 & over age racing   5 laps   0:13
33   10:39 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
34   10:59 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
35   11:19 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
36   11:39 AM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
37   11:59 AM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
38   12:19 PM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
39   12:39 PM   Round 3   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
   12:59 PM            
   2:00 PM      Presentation      

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #148 on: January 17, 2013, 01:05:35 pm »
A pre 85 or pre 90 rider with one bike would get 3 races + practice over 3 days, EVO would get 6 + practice. Some classes may end up combined to give more time or I would prefer shorter races and add an all powers to pre 85 & 90. Just a preference I will race regardless.
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« Reply #149 on: January 17, 2013, 01:18:59 pm »
Yes I think it is reasonably obvious now (hind sight is a wonderful thing) the age races could have been Pre85 or even Pre90 so that more people (EVO, Pre85 and Pre90) could ride in them but for 2013 it is what it is.