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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #540 on: April 14, 2013, 11:57:30 am »
I entered as well but not putting on list.  All classes are not on list either, eg age classes for EVO.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #541 on: April 14, 2013, 12:12:38 pm »
If anyone wants to blame someone blame me. I made several unfortunate assumptions and recommended them to Lakes.

1) That this forum was a reasonable way to gauge attitudes and views (big mistake no massive mistake)
2) I assumed that riders wanted to race when they came to the Nationals (second big mistake). I naively thought that riders wanted the results to reflect the fittest, best prepared and most skilled riders to shine.
3) It was never envisaged that riders would enter and ride 5-6 bikes like they do in the Classic Nationals (this is not a negative thing toward the Classic Nationals)
4) I thought that riders wanted to race MX as we did in the day. Longer races but not a 30-40min + 2lap MX world Champ type meeting but a challenge that any finisher could be proud of.
5) I really didn’t want to go to 3 days but as the Lakes guys showed the format required it if all classes went ahead. This could have been trimmed but you cannot go to three days if you state 2 days in the regs. That is you can reduce the days and no one will squeal but you cannot increase the days after people have entered. CD & HBBB are effectively 3 day events for anyone travelling interstate yet are getting bigger and bigger.
6) Camping at the circuit really is a no issue situation as far as I am concerned. There are several very good camping grounds within 10-15min of the Lakes circuit for very small fees. Security would have been available at the track. The pit area is a locked area within a 2.5m fence and would have been had lighting and a few people there all night. Camping is generally not allowed at the Lakes circuit as it is situation on a High Voltage transmission line easement. People could stay and works on bikes with power available for their lighting etc it is just they are not allowed to camp.

Where it probably went wrong
1) It appears that a significant majority do not want true MX racing (this is not a judgement or confrontational just my take on this situation). Some of this is psychological as Heaven / Northern Districts ran 4 & 5 lap races at our inter-club meeting last August (each bike entered ran 2 races Saturday afternoon and 4 on Sunday plus practice Saturday morning). Most riders were very happy and everyone seemed to enjoy it. These races ment 6 x 10 – 12.5min races yet 3 x 15min + 1lap (expected to be 7-8 laps) is somehow too challenging.
2) The social aspect seems to have become just as important as the racing. (I wrongly assumed that CD & HBBB along with club days took care of this aspect).
3) We/I assumed that people wanted their racing for a National event to be a little more serious after all it is a National Championship. I originally was not going to ride as I wanted to help run the event from the flag marshal point of view but entered when numbers became critical. I would never image that I would be in the hunt for a podium, not in a long shot but let’s face it even at Modern meetings everyone knows there are only a few riders really in the hunt. Back in the day you went to meetings just for the chance to qualify for the main event never even calculating that you could win it. In every single sporting event there is only one winner and a lot of non-winners. Even the word loser is now politically incorrect ::). Competing is the thing always has been always should be.

I am completely gutted by the outcome. I am disappointed stunned with the low entries. Who entered or who didn’t enter is really irrelevant as the overall numbers are the deciding factors not who. It is pretty obvious that it was not the correct ‘product’. I have no idea what the correct product is and will allow us to still call it MX because 3 x 3laps is not MX. The one thing I am bemused by are all the EXPERTS with the 20/20 hindsight with 'I tried to tell everyone' blar blar blar. The old saying ‘eX’ is an unknown quantity and sPERT is a drip under pressure. They need to get involved and put their time and effort where their mouth is.

As I said I am gutted by this situation and personally have had my fill of National events (one failure is one too many). I hope that the Post Classic Nationals really does take off next attempt and that the Classic Nationals go well later this year plus the re-surge of interest in Classic DT leads to a super Classic DT Nationals.

I personally would like to thank Darren and Rob (they are true enthusiasts of all things dirt bike) from the Lakes club along with the entire Lakes Club for supporting our sport. The fact they have indicated they are up for another try shows the calibre of the gentlemen.

This is my only response so pick away everyone
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 12:23:10 pm by Montynut »

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #542 on: April 14, 2013, 12:55:14 pm »
For to long this forum has been seen as the judge and the jury on all things VMX and when it has come time to stand up and be counted  have then started coming up with excuses and throwing hand grenades from the side lines. We have CD and HBBB for get together's. Vinduro's are also very social. The nationals are a race pure and simple trying to water them down so every one gets a prize is a refection on today's politically correct society. I for one do think the people who entered should put there name down on the list that way we know who the bull sh8%ters are. (Although we have probable worked that out already)
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #543 on: April 14, 2013, 01:00:49 pm »
I didn't think the final decision had been made yet.....  ???

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #544 on: April 14, 2013, 01:24:35 pm »
If anyone wants to blame someone blame me. I made several unfortunate assumptions and recommended them to Lakes.

Monty, I don't understand why there needs to be any blame game at all. Seriously, what is the point? I am personally grateful that there are people like you, Darren & Rob, fatboy, Glenn and the boys from Mr VMX, Greg from Conowindra, the Guys from Chrystal Brook, Carl and the Beverly's, Phil & Noel and all the other people behind the scenes who selflessly give up their time to organize these events.

So we got it wrong (I say we, because for what it is worth, I made the same assumptions you did). As we do on the race track every lap and in life, we make mistakes. The achievers are those who have the ability to accept this, recognise where they got it wrong, adjust and try to get it right next time. That is life, and I challenge anyone to prove to me they live the perfect life without making regular mistakes.

As I said in an earlier post, this concept has the potential of becoming an event we all have a great time at and look back on as a treasured memory. If you don't try you don't know. Whatever you do don't beat yourself up for this. You guys should be applauded for giving it a try and I am behind you for your next go at it.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2013, 06:39:56 am by KJ222 »
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #545 on: April 14, 2013, 01:35:27 pm »
and honestly, looking at these photos, when this was announced who in their right mind wouldn't have thought it would be the event of the year!!!



A few photos from the meeting in August this year












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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #546 on: April 14, 2013, 01:43:30 pm »
Stop Ken you are depressing me more :'(

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #547 on: April 14, 2013, 03:39:18 pm »
I've been in the shed enjoying one of my favourite ways of spending a Sunday arvo, working on my bike while listening to the footy on the radio. As well as those two things I've been thinking about Montynut's taking the bullet for the failure of the PC Nats to get off the ground. I mentally composed a warm and fuzzy post to try and explain to Greg that it isn't his fault but when I sat at the computer and read KJ's reply, one sentence said everything I wanted to say " So we got it wrong (I say we, because for what it is worth, I made the same assumptions you did) ", and so did I and I would assume, the seventy odd racers that entered. Montynut and the Lakes club should not be the scapegoats here, they did nothing but good.

 Don't beat yourself up Greg ;).

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #548 on: April 14, 2013, 04:00:41 pm »
From the get go the lakes club asked, listened and accomodated wherever possible to what people on here wanted for a great Nats .

Those photos again show what a great track they have  :) there is obviously a lot of dissapointment but nobdy should take the blame for the event falling short on entries .

I still believe its a sign of the economic times , and as has been said the fact that the club has said they would look at running the event in the future shows great integrity.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #549 on: April 14, 2013, 05:45:22 pm »
its not been canned yet ive got everything crossed :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #550 on: April 14, 2013, 06:00:00 pm »
What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc.
The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #551 on: April 14, 2013, 08:05:53 pm »

Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan

Evo +263
333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #552 on: April 14, 2013, 08:48:22 pm »
what a bugger Nath, I was looking forward to going head to head with you on the CR's in pre85 250  ;)
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #553 on: April 14, 2013, 09:00:21 pm »


Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#090
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan

Evo +263
#090
333 odd1


Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #554 on: April 14, 2013, 09:35:15 pm »
What are these figures Brad?