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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #555 on: April 14, 2013, 09:42:37 PM »
What are these figures Brad?
Some of the forum members who entered the titles Col..

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #556 on: April 14, 2013, 10:09:17 PM »
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What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc. The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.

I agree with Col...the 2013 Classic Nats will happen but it's not going to be the huge event it promises to be unless the classic era competitors get right behind the meeting. We need to show that the Nats concept is still alive and viable as far as the traditional vintage classes are concerned. As I said earlier, I'm entering three bikes in three different classes with three different riders and I'd love to challenge other guys with extra bikes that they won't be riding to do the same...offer them to friends without classic era bikes or fellow racers from the Post Classic scene. Klub Kevlar will also offer to sponsor a couple of classes or offer novelty trophies...whatever the Canberra club feels comfortable with. I've been doing a little work behind the scene to try and get the dormant pre 65 and pre 70 classes up and running again for three HEAVEN rounds this year and it looks as if the four or five extra quality pre 65 bikes I've got a committment from could well support the Canberra Nats as well. If we all work together we can make the Canberra Classic Nats the showpiece of the sport that the Post Classic meeting should have been.
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #557 on: April 14, 2013, 10:10:17 PM »
I entered Evo all three capacities John.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #558 on: April 15, 2013, 11:03:57 AM »
What is happening with the this Comp....

Is there any offical word on whether the race will go ahead???

I have entered for myself and my son from when applications opened and have flights to book for my son to come from Perth if this is still a go head???

Like most people i am dissapointed that the VMX scene has not got behind this event.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #559 on: April 15, 2013, 11:53:20 AM »
Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

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Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #560 on: April 15, 2013, 12:57:52 PM »
Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)

Going by the list so far it looks like around 50.

Sooo maybe this isn't the place to be gauging VMX opinion after all  ;)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #561 on: April 15, 2013, 01:12:25 PM »
Shaun, this has never been the place to gauge the thoughts of the entire VMX population but it's the closest we've got to a general cross section. As much as I finally grew to support the 15 minute moto format for Evo/pre 90, I knew in my heart that the silent majority of competitors would be against it and it seems I may have been right. I don't think that any of the social media give a true indication of what the punters want either so my thoughts are that while this and Facebook may a good place to discuss ideas, the opinions voiced should never be taken as representing the majority.
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #562 on: April 15, 2013, 01:39:30 PM »
Absolutely true Firko. This is the only place that I have heard the want for longer moto's mentioned and the majority of those here that wanted them don't seem to have even entered for this event!

After deciding last year to quit riding MX and to concentrate only on my first love, Dirt Track, I can tell you that, like Scrivo, I only entered due to the alarming lack of numbers.  I was also was aiming to be there and help out in any way I could in running the event.

I entered knowing that there is no way on this earth that I would have completed any 15 min moto's but thought if an entry would help to make a difference I was happy to pay my money and wobble around for a couple of laps. After all one day I could then tell my grandkids about the time I rode at an Australian Title. ;D ;D ;D

Before anybody decides to have another crack at the PC Nats I think it is time that we go back to all vintage clubs and get a true indication from all of their members as to what they would like to see in regards to events of this type. Much the same as the way Col went about consulting as widely as possible when he was proposing the split.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #563 on: April 15, 2013, 03:41:25 PM »
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #564 on: April 15, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)
:'( maybe third time lucky this event will happen.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #565 on: April 15, 2013, 04:21:09 PM »
Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior
#mick25
Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

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Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #566 on: April 15, 2013, 05:24:17 PM »
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)

My suggestions for anyone who's considering running future Post-Classic Nationals:

I could be wrong, but I think the camping stuff is quite important. It's not just about the tight-arse and/or social factors, it's about not having to load and unload bikes repeatedly, and then worry about them being left on a ute/trailer outside a motel.
Offering secure overnight bike parking would help those issues?
The need for off-site accommodation just adds a whole extra dimension to pre-event organisation too - no matter how many places are nearby, the organisation required is well beyond simply chucking a tent/swag and camp stove in. A list of nearby accommodation is relatively easy to way to make the whole process less daunting to potential competitors.

The event needs to be given lots of promotion. "Build it and they will come" isn't enough, particularly when it's a new event. Doubly when the pre-90 era is still young, and doesnt have the history/depth of competitor support of the older eras.
It needs to be pushed regularly, in VMX mag, the modern magazines, the Vinduro-based forums, and the modern forums, as well as here. And via the vintage clubs around the country!
Regular reminders of closing date for entries and regular links to the entry form are an important part of that push.
A dedicated website with a positive, inclusive sales pitch would be a nice move too.
Name calling, heckling and the like should be avoided at all costs, regardless of the frustration felt...

I don't believe the age races are important for the newer eras - not worthless, but age classes for every single capacity class just makes the programme bloated and drags the weekend out too much.
I believe it should be an all-capacities class for the newest era class that's eligible for the meeting (and everyone is allowed to ride-up into the pre-90 era).
Some age classes will be poorly supported - there's just not that many 60+ year olds who will want to race pre-85, no matter how you look at it. Whether or not to run the poorly supported age classes is an interesting dilemma at both ends of the age spectrum (that's beyond the discussion here).

A realistic, pre-considered approach to the 125 classes (only the pre-75 125 class is consistently capable of gaining Championship status), and how they'd be combined if needed.

Two days (including sign-on, scrutiny and practice) is important.
Realistically, I'd suggest optional sign-on and scrutiny on Friday arvo/evening, with racing not starting until late Saturday morning. With a dozen empty age-races removed from the schedule, I assume this could be made to work.

I reckon they're the main things that need to happen to make the event a success - others that may disagree, but hopefully this will get the discussion rolling in a constructive fashion.
If we persist with the notion that problem (and solution) lies entirely with the competitors, then we will be doomed to repeat the scenario we've had with the 2013 Nationals.



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For the record, I am happy to help out with the publicity stuff for future C/PC Nationals.

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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #567 on: April 15, 2013, 05:33:25 PM »
I like it Nathan.  I'm willing to help with promotion also, either via Mitchell Club or MV.
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
« Reply #568 on: April 15, 2013, 06:39:17 PM »
This is a major bummer!!!

A pre 85 or pre 90 rider with one bike would get 3 races + practice over 3 days, EVO would get 6 + practice. Some classes may end up combined to give more time or I would prefer shorter races and add an all powers to pre 85 & 90. Just a preference I will race regardless.

Just for the record I DID prefer shorter races.


Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan
#80 Firekwaka

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

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Where are all the Pre 85 +263 that were at Mr VMX ?
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Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
« Reply #569 on: April 15, 2013, 06:41:23 PM »
evo has age races you wont get away with it ma will insist you have them.classic dirt track mx same rules.
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