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Offline Kenneth S (222)

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Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« on: May 05, 2012, 09:19:37 am »
As is probably quite obvious from my posts, I love the sport of Motocross. 'Motocross', even the written word looks great. After being out of MX for some 27 years, discovering VMX a couple of years ago has added such a rich vein of excitement to my life again and I totally enjoy the people involved, the bikes and the racing.

My fear though is we are softening it down a bit too much. Motocross was originally an 'endurance test' over 'natural terrain'.

The Tracks.
I agree it is fun to ride on beautifully groomed, loamy tracks with all the breaking and acceleration bumps graded out, but that is not true MX. The reason our bikes have suspension and that suspension was the subject of massive innovation is because of those bumps! A key skill in riding MX is to know how to handle those bumps under various conditions.

My point, lets not get too precious about making the tracks picture perfect and smooth. It puts unnecessary pressure on the race organizers and it's not true MX.

The length of the races
At a recent race meeting I timed the lap while flag marshaling. It was 1 minute and 20 seconds. The races were 4 laps long so the entire race went for 5 minutes and 20 seconds. Even as old as we are, that is NOT an endurance test, and is nothing like the racing we all used to race. I know, even at that length race, I too come in and I am panting hard, sweating profusely and need to sit down and have a drink. But when I practice and tend to be out there riding for 10-20 minutes and I come in, I feel no different. 

My point, most of us are not that out of shape and can handle more racing, even though we think we can't because we are not used to breathing so hard living our sedentary, behind a computer 9-5 life. I think we are cheating ourselves out of quality time on the track to appease the small minority. If some riders start a longer race and get tired, there is nothing stopping them from slowing down or if they feel that bad pulling off. Rather than a flat out sprint where one tiny mistake can knock you out for the race, longer races would allow us to experience more 'race time', time to dice with our mates or rivals, recover from a bobble in a corner and work ourselves into the race, and it is more in keeping with the roots of this sport we all love. Yes we have time constraints at race meetings but I would prefer 2 x longer races rather than 4 x sprints.

Dust & Rocks
Let me say right from the outset, it is obvious SAFETY has to come first and if the dust is that thick you can't see then yes it is a no brainer that for our safety, it has to be managed. But, my recollection of racing back in the 70s and 80s was full of dust and I like many other racers swallowed bucket loads of it, I recon I could be taken blind folded to Jilliby, Karma Gutza, Fishers Ghost, definitely Dargle, and by the taste of the dust know where I was. I don't like rocks either and when I walk the track, I toss the big ones aside.

My point, dust and rocks are an intricate component of 'Natural Terrain' and while they have to be managed, a little bit of both goes with the territory.

« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 09:36:20 am by KJ222 »
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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 09:32:06 am »
KJ,you havn't been talking to 'Worms' have you?  ;D, :P
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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 09:43:12 am »
I like your thinking Kenneth and I agree mostly.

I think anything post '78 should be riden on motocross tracks. I also think these tracks should be on the rough side like they always were.
I also remember obstacles like quads and big flat landing ski jumps on the tracks in the early (and I mean about 1982) eighties so the tracks of today really haven't changed a whole lot.

A track with obstacles and rough surface makes you think about how you're going to punt your way around instead of just "holdin' her flat" corner to corner.
Why should the person who trains and sets their bikes up properly not have an advantage over the play racer who services their bike with a bottle of Armour All?

Longer races would be nice but with the short winter days and full schedules, sometimes we just run out of daylight. Maybe 2X instead of 4 X is the answer but I wouldn't give much chance of that happening ::)

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« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 03:09:38 pm by Mont »

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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 10:19:14 am »
 I no longer ride motor cross/scrambles because when I am sitting back thinking of it common sense prevails where I know that once I'm looking at the start gate the race face is on and I forget I'm in my 75th year.
 So I stick to dirt track where hopfully there are no real bumps. My race face generally stays on for 2 or 3 laps.i
 Sometimes when the finish line is reached it occurs to me that way back in my 'B' grade days most of the the races were of longer duration than I currently experience. [Probably a good thing!]

 Makes me think that for current classic MOTOCROSS [good word] thinking along the lines of what KJ222 is saying maybe varying the number of laps according to age group events would give the younger groups more laps to allow the endurance factor more favour.
 In my case I see myself as strictly a sprinter these days, or perhaps more succinctly a 'one lap screamer'!
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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 01:47:32 pm »
A track with obstacles and rough surface makes you think about how you're going to punt your way around instead of just "holding' her flat" corner to corner.
Why should the person who trains and sets their bikes up properly not have an advantage over the play racer who services their bike with a bottle of Armour All?

Thanks Mont and nicely put.
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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 01:59:42 pm »
"maybe varying the number of laps according to age group events would give the younger groups more laps to allow the endurance factor more favour.

Pancho, thanks for your comments. I think you have nailed it in this comment. I have toyed with suggesting the idea of the riders to have a multiple choice box to tick on their race day entry form next to the class they are entering. Perhaps a choice of 4, 5 & 6 laps for their event and whatever the average is of the actual entries for that class by the riders actually racing that class becomes the format for that class, you get what I mean. I suspect the younger guys, as you say, might be open to longer races and from what I can see, that would be the Pre 85 and Evo classes. I have also toyed with the idea that the 'All In' race seems to be the 'extra' race for many and that could be the longer race in each group.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 02:22:26 pm by KJ222 »
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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 02:29:40 pm »
I don't pretend to know the answers, but I do think that the path we've gone down has been determined by the fact that the average age of VMXers is considerably higher than the average age of modern MX riders.

I do get a bit perplexed when lots of HEAVEN regulars stay away from rounds at Canberra "because of the jumps", but happily put life and limb on the line at the fast and rough Buladelah...
I can't recall an event a Buladelah where someone hasn't ended up with a broken limb - and at least one helicopter ride out of the place. In contrast, since the Canberra club pulled its head in, and toned down the jumps (and started to maintain the tops of the tabletops again), the worst VMXer injury I can think of, is Snowy's ribs.



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Re: Is VMX losing touch with it's MX roots?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 02:41:10 pm »
The Classic Nats in June is natural terrain with a lot of change in elevation and will rough up
The races are 10 min plus a lap, so about 12min. Maybe slightly shorter for Pre60 and 60+ riders.So that addresses the above to some degree.