E-85 fuel

[Nathan S]

Not that I want to recommend anyone breaks the rules, I doubt anyone would ever be pinged for it.

Two main reasons:
1. MA probably doesn't have the ability to test the fuel/nobody would bother with the expense of testing unless its affecting a (modern) National championship.
2. The 100RON rule was intended to ban jungle-juice race fuels, not pump fuel.

I would also expect that the fuel would be at/close to 100RON by the time fuel out of your tank was tested.

[Lozza]

MA will not allow the use of this fuel it`s got 105 to 108 ron so it can`t be use in competion. know off a bloke who was using it in his road race bike (club level PCRA) admitted he was using it then the fun began.have heard that you have to jet up to use it, was told about 40% but the dyno guy would be best bloke to talk too.there is a bloke up newcastle way (big bang engines) that would know a bit about runnig this fuel and he has a dyno to.     

Rules is rules and e85 is NOT legal for competition (could write 2 pages on that alone), the fellow in question was picked up when fuel testing was conducted. The test requires a Digitron tester which the PCRA pruchased about $300, so no big drama to test.
Methanol is much more than 100RON but is allowed , but as Nathan says the rule was to ban exotic $10 a litre fuels.

[TM BILL]

MA will not allow the use of this fuel it`s got 105 to 108 ron so it can`t be use in competion. know off a bloke who was using it in his road race bike (club level PCRA) admitted he was using it then the fun began.have heard that you have to jet up to use it, was told about 40% but the dyno guy would be best bloke to talk too.there is a bloke up newcastle way (big bang engines) that would know a bit about runnig this fuel and he has a dyno to.     

Rules is rules and e85 is NOT legal for competition (could write 2 pages on that alone), the fellow in question was picked up when fuel testing was conducted. The test requires a Digitron tester which the PCRA pruchased about $300, so no big drama to test.
Methanol is much more than 100RON but is allowed , but as Nathan says the rule was to ban exotic $10 a litre fuels.

Another one i struggle with  you can spend squillions on hand built aftermarket go fast goodies , but you cant run expensive fuels.   WTF 

[firko]

2. The 100RON rule was intended to ban jungle-juice race fuels, not pump fuel.

I've used VP C12 and C14 in my vintage bikes the past, including at a Nats a few short years ago......are they legal or was I a dirty cheatin' bastard?
It'd be pretty strange if a freely available pump fuel (e-85)was not allowed yet Methanol and some exotics is are.

[Lozza]

Bill not such a big drama on a 125cc mx bike but the hip pocket would ache if it was a 1000cc or 1300cc 4 cyl. Plus nobody gets the feeling they have to run exotic fuel to be competitive.
Yes firko you were a cheatin bastard The methanol/some exotics is everything to do with who pays MA licence fee to homologate their fuel

[Nathan S]

Right or wrong, the idea of banning race fuels was to bring some parity into it. The cost:benefit ratio of bolt on goodies tapers off pretty quickly, but jungle juice is a ~10% gain that you have to spend every time you ride the bike.
I've seen the damage they did to rallying, and am glad MA banned them.

[TT5 Matt]

do they still make/sell shell m?not that i dont like r30 but ive found it gummes the ring lands up where shell m didnt or is shell m only good for methanol premix and engines like jawa's?

[JAP 454]

I bought some Shell M from the local Shell agent last year for TD's JAP, however another source of supply I found was a Canberra Karting shop , apparently the Kart racing lads use M in their little two strokes on petrol , so it may be worth a call to your local Kart shop.

Foss

[Noel]

    From Moms
    General 12.9.5.1

     Unleaded fuel produced by an oil company
     for sale in the Australian general transport fuel
     market through retail petrol pumps in at least
     5 states does not have to be homologated.
     For the avoidance of doubt this means the
     fuel must be available for sale on demand
     from a roadside bowser outlet at each of at
      least 5 separate service stations in each of at
      least five Australian states or territories.

Classic Dirt track and MX
   18.3.1(d)

        Be a brand of fuel homologated
      by MA that is compatible with
    the “Fuel Quality Standards Act
    2000”, or,

[TT5 Matt]

thanks for the information Foss ill look into it but i really want to know if it works with e85?i used in my kart and had good results from it as well

[TT5 Matt]

thanks for the information Foss ill look into it but i really want to know if it works with e85?i used in my kart and had good results from it as well

[JAP 454]

This may not relate to M , but check this out, if you haven't already,
http://www.e85forum.com/about905.html&highlight=&sid=498b155211eda63d8caa23bde55a3756

Foss

[TT5 Matt]

yeah that link is a good read and there saying castor oil as well so i suppose best way is buy some shell m and see how it mixes in with e85 and more importantly how long it stays mixed without seperating