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Should I buy it or an I waisting my money.
« on: October 28, 2011, 10:31:36 pm »
Two Yamaha DT 250 Mx genuine one, its very nice. I am looking to buy one, But the stakes are high.
The bike is Mint  $7800
This one is a race bike $5000
Are they worth this much, or am I waiting my money, what do you think. Its a lot money for a Dt
« Last Edit: October 28, 2011, 10:35:22 pm by Wallie »

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Re: Should I buy it or an I waisting my money.
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 10:39:51 pm »
DT2MX?

$5k for a race bike is very questionable - apparently they're not that good as a race bike, and there's plenty of better race bikes available for that sort of money. Possibly worth it if you have a passion for them and the bike is properly set-up. The other way to look at it is that a good MX250 is a ~$2000 bike and they're better than the DT2MX - is there $3k of collectability for the older bike?

Mint one at $7800 would have to be 100% original, IMO. Even then, you'd have a long hard think about whether you're buying it because you love it (excellent choice), or because you think it is some sort of investment (bad idea). Its not 2008 anymore...

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 10:41:29 pm »
I sold you one under a year ago Dave..You should have kept it, you'd have restored that bike and be already racing it for a lot less than 5K you want to pay for the bike you're talking about. I've recently bought another DT2MX for $200 and no....I'm not selling you this one Dave. ;D
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Re: Should I buy it or an I waisting my money.
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 10:48:26 pm »
Buy em Dave. He who hesitates is lost! J

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 10:53:51 pm »
Mark, That bike I bought off you is nearly restore, I think thats great, don`t you.

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 10:56:29 pm »
I was looking at thwe DT250 mx first model today, its really nice, But its a lot money which I done have, just seeking your opinions. and TM Bill you did ask me to start another thread.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 11:00:58 pm »
ill sell you a 74 mx 360A for $2200.  or a TM250 for $2500, lot of change there to restore them.

The Dt2mx is  never wortht 5K never mind 8K
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 11:11:20 pm »
Fair play to you Dave  :) do you have any pics ? I passed a super original DT2 MX 1 owner ex canada but now in NZ bike for $nz 2k about 10 yrs ago  ::)

The bike really was super original but was missing one side panel and had not done a lot of work. He couldn't sell it for years  ::) a mate now owns it .

It was one of those should have deals  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 11:22:47 pm »
Freaky, do have a yamaha RT1 360. one of our club members wants to buy one. at this stage Bill I don`t have any pic`s.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 09:00:55 am »
Mark and others, The Yamaha DT that I am looking at are pre 70 DT1mx 250  not DT2 MX

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 09:38:25 am »
 dave i think you will find hes after a rt2mx but you can have mine which won every race the other week with a good rider on it for $5500 race ready. mmm have to think about that because i just got the original barrel belonging to that bike it only han a 360 trallie barrel on it i can just imagine how far in front he will be next time . ;D

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 10:18:32 am »
Dave do you want ? $5500Its only a DT1 trail bike !!!
« Last Edit: October 29, 2011, 10:20:05 am by iainyz »
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2011, 10:27:35 am »
2K tops
buy it and then you can sell it Dave
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2011, 11:02:54 am »
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Mark, That bike I bought off you is nearly restore, I think thats great, don`t you.
Yeah Dave I'm really glad it's soon to be reborn but my point is that if you didn't change your mind so often and had kept that bike you wouldn't be looking to spend crazy money for a DT2MX today.
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apparently they're not that good as a race bike,
You're right Nathan, in stock trim the DT2MX is just another so-so early Japanese motocrosser, a bit like a TM Suzuki in that while they're not all that flash is stock trim, they're pretty good fodder to be turned into a competitive racer with a bit of lateral thinking towards modification.
The DT2MX features the penultimate version of the old DT1 based "small case" engine. Even though YZ250A/B experts will cry "no way", the DT2MX isn't that far off the YZ's state of tune. Sure it hasn't got the fancy nancy lightweight gearbox and clutch basket but it does have close ratios and the bulletproof clutch all early Yamahas are noted for, even if it's a smidgey heavier. The cylinder can easily be ported to YZ specs or even further, the same reed block is used as the YZ so the same replacement modern design reeds can be used. Add a 36mm Mikuni and a more modern pipe and you're in the ballpark horsepower wise.
 
Chassis wise the DT2MX isn't that far off the planet. Sure it's a bit heavier than the YZ but the geometry is fairly similar. Yamaha had noted what the period hot rodders were doing to the DT1 frame by lowering the engine cradle and lengthening the swingarm so they designed a frame utilising those dimensions. The forks are as close as buggery to YZ specs it's not worth noting, the only major difference being the slight weight saving from the skimmed down fork legs on the YZ. The front and rear wheels feature identical hubs and mud catcher DID rims and even though the YZ featured the improved Thermal Flow shocks, they were still pretty ordinary and would have been replaced years ago.

The only other part that would be seen to be less quality is the DT2MX's steel tank compared to the nifty alloy item on the YZ. Everything else from cables and levers through to the handlebars and grips are so similar as not to be of any consequence. I seriously consider the DT2MX to potentially be a better bike than the later MX250 and if modified properly, as good as the YZ as a race bike.

As a collectors item the YZ250A/B has a cult following that demands serious money but in actual fact, the DT2MX is a far rarer bike having only been around for a very short production run. It was Yamaha's first production motocross bike not based off the existing trail bike and for a first up effort was a well equipped and physically beautiful piece of kit. An interesting side benefit of the DT2MX being such a one off bike is the unusually high availability of NOS parts, mainly because most of the parts are one model only fare, for instance the 'no-name' smooth outside engine cases, kick starter, cylinder, head and many other parts are commonly available on eBay because they were only used on a short production run bike that sold poorly and isn't popular with restorers. Complete NOS transmissions or individual ratios are commonly seen on eBay for sensible dough. The only difficult to obtain parts are the unique to the model side number plates which due to inadequate mounting tabs were often lost. I've had three DT2MX's and none of them had the left side number plate. Because of the rarity these are the only parts that get serious money.

I've got a DT2MX that I paid a paltry $200 for on the water at the moment. I originally bought it as a parts donor for my Hindall but I decided that because it's all there and being so rare I'll give it a long term concourse resto.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2011, 12:09:40 pm by firko »
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2011, 11:20:16 am »
Firko the side covers are not a problem I found a pair on ebay US and sent them to Prixhistoric f/glass in Vic . they make top quality copies








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