1982(3) - RM175 Full Floater

[BAHNZY]

Now that i have got your attention here is the dilemma.

My daughter has been pestering me for ages about getting her a bike. In fact she has been giving me hell over the RM125C as she thinks that i should give it to her to ride. I told her that if she buys the bike and the safety gear, then we will talk. Well she has bought all the gear, and i mean all the gear. Now i had to find her a bike that suits a 5'10 17 year old beginner. The thought of a 125 or 250 MX'r was just to much for her so we had the idea of converting a 82 PE175 Full Floater into a MX machine. The mellow power and extra torque over the 125 should suit her really well. We've got the bike, mounted a RM125N tank to it (which looks shit hot) and now were in the process of  having the seat modified to work with the tank. Now we need to look to plastics and hence the reason for the posting. Does anyone have any experience fitting RM465 plastics to the 82 PE175? Its a given that the loop will have to be removed from the frame, but anything else?

Bahnsy

[TM BILL]

Sorry i cant help with the plastics fit  but its great that your daughter is getting into the sport.
Good luck with your project be great to see some pics when your finished 

[BAHNZY]

This is the starting point. She's a bit rough but 99% there. (headlight missing) $500 bucks worth i guess.





- Bore is .50 oversize.
- Rear suspension has got bugger all play. Rods from the swingarm have small amount of movement.
- Rear shock is good, just needs a service.

What i need to know. (At the moment)
1. Will the RM465 plastics fit?
2. Does the PE expansion chamber have baffles in it?
3. Are the chassis spec's the same as an RM for equivalent years?

Bahnsy

[holeshot buddy]

bahnsy yep looks like a piece of egg( PE) alright, i have fitted second hand rm side plastics
to a pe before they do fit with a bit of trimming pretty sure holes line up from memory
but memory not as good as it used to be

also had another look for backing plate dipped out :'(

[oldfart]

Trim the muffler at the cone ( end that points down at weld ) . The baffle is spot welded in place , you should be able to see them .....3 mm drill bit will be suffice to remove spot welds - then pull the baffle out
I remove 65 mm off the muffler  ...drill extra holes in the baffle - reassemble - weld on end cap

Doesn't make that much more noise .....but seems to have more top end 

[LWC82PE]

Whats wrong with the 175 side covers they fit pefect

front guard should fit but im sure its the same part number as on RM anyway

and a rear 465/250 guard should fit, maybe some trimming required?

the PE 175 floater is based arround the 125 i beileve. the 250 and 400's T/X use the same frame geometry as the RM's so i would assume the 175 to be same as a 125 full floater.

yes your 175 has baffels in the chamber. big gains are obtained if you remove these or get an aftermarket pipe.

[BAHNZY]

LWC3077 - Whats wrong with the 175 side covers  they fit perfect
Bahnsy - I'm just taking a guess that the Genuine (if they are available) will be worth a mortgage
I can buy a complete RM 465 kit from Vintage Suzuki for a reasonable cost.

LWC3077 - front guard should fit but I'm sure its the same part number as on RM anyway
Bahnsy - I kinda guessed that was a given

LWC3077 - And a rear 465/250 guard should fit, maybe some trimming required?
Bahnsy - This is the one that i am concerned about.

LWC3077 - The PE 175 floater is based around the 125 i believe. the 250 and 400's T/X use the same frame geometry as the RM's so i would assume the 175 to be same as a 125 full floater.
Bahnsy - That's what i thought, aside from the quick change rear wheel/brake assembly.

LWC3077 - Yes your 175 has baffles in the chamber. big gains are obtained if you remove these or get an aftermarket pipe.
Bahnsy - I'm wanting to do it on the cheap so I'll split the chamber based on the advice above.


Guys, keep the info flowing. It's a real help. Honestly

Bahnsy

[BAHNZY]

A bit more help needed.
Stripped the bike. Here's the list needed, so far Before i start running around i thought I'd throw it out to those that have done it before and see if there are any short cuts. (e-bay aside)
MUST HAVE
1. Bearings for the link rods between the swing arm and the upper pivot.
2. Swing arm bearings
3. Chain runner/buffer around the swing arm.
4. Rod kit (is genuine the best way to go?)
5. Air cleaner elements x 2
WISH LIST
1. Rear sprocket / brake carrier. Inner bearing failed at some stage and flogged the housing out.
2. RM Single leading trailing front backing plate. Get rid of the speedo drive.

And I'm sure there will be plenty more to come

[cyclegod]

Reasonably cheap new parts from these guys....

http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm

[LWC82PE]

an aftermarket rod kit can be fine especially if its a japanese brand or pro-X. they are often made at the same factorys as the OEM rods. i think BB importers in WA would have one. i have just got a flyer from them last week and ive got to send a fax off to get their 08 catalogue then i can tell you for sure what they have for 175

here you go rod fits

Part # = 12161-41500
Part Description = ROD,CONNECTING
Model Count = 24
DS185C 1978 185 DS185 DUAL PURPOSE
DS185N 1979 185 DS185 DUAL PURPOSE
DS185T 1980 185 DS185 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175C 1978 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175D 1983 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175E 1984 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175N 1979 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175T 1980 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175X 1981 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
PE175Z 1982 172 PE175 DUAL PURPOSE
RS175T 1996 175 RS175 DUAL SPORT
RS175X 1981 175 RS175 DUAL SPORT
RS175Z 1982 175 RS175 DUAL SPORT
TS185A 1976 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185B 1977 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185C 1978 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185J 1972 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185K 1973 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185L 1974 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185M 1975 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185N 1979 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185R 1971 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185T 1980 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT
TS185X 1981 183 TS185 SIERRA DUAL SPORT

so it uses same rods as TS 185. you can get this rod in pro-X, Long and several other brands. ive still got the box from my Pro-X rod so i will get the part number for you

pro-X number 03-3018

pro-x is made in japan and equal to or better than OEM.

[cyclegod]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GOOD-PRICE-SUZUKI-PE175-DS185-TS185-CONNECTING-ROD-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35595QQihZ018QQitemZ280200251357QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[RM Ted]

TRY OEMCYCLE IN THE STATES.HEAPS CHEAPER THAN LOCAL AND ALPHA SPORTS.

[BAHNZY]

Guys,
Am i looking at the right websites to understand what the correct year model the bike is given the numbers below? All the sites that i visit seem to have a 5 digit (ie PE175) then the serial number for bikes up to & including 1980. After that they use a 17 digit VIN and obviously i haven't got that.
Ahhhh...... Bikes built after 1980, what a pain in the arse 

Any clues.

Frame: PE175 - 215511
Engine: PE175 - 222315

[jimson]

Bahnsy check both rims see if they have the same date as each other and that should tell you year of production.jimson

[BAHNZY]

Jimson,
9/82 Front, 8/82 Rear
The bike has (whats left) a blue seat cover and a yellow set of forks. This tells me that it should be a 1983 model, however, the 83 should have an adjustable remote reservoir rear shock, this bike does not have that nor the remnants of where one may have been mounted.

I'm going to go with 1983 give the given the lateness of the rim dates.

Bahnsy