Young blokes riding the Classics

[micks]

elsie 125 has a point, but how about a ex pro rider turns up.say shaun giles turned up on a pre 85 hasn`t race any club or opens but comes to aus champs cleans up the title year after year.i think that would hurt the class more so than a young bloke.
 

[211kawasaki]

well said Olmate, the NBJMCC had to pay for flag marshals due to terminal aparthary by BMCC and QVMX members. I think that pisses me off more than anything else because the people who are the least able to do the work tend to be the ones doing it and the ones who never do any work are the wingers at a meeting.

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[JohnnyO]

elsie 125 has a point, but how about a ex pro rider turns up.say shaun giles turned up on a pre 85 hasn`t race any club or opens but comes to aus champs cleans up the title year after year.i think that would hurt the class more so than a young bloke.
 

That would be no different to when Ron Dinsdale and Andy Caldecott turned up year after year and won titles.. i can't see any damage done from then.

[Freakshow]

you do that then you will have to bring in a weight rule.  why should thin tall guys have to race against small light guys.  why shoudl the fatties also be disadvantaged ?  You already have age races just make sure the clubs keep pushing it.

Buglars are always a problem in anysport but its a national event and you also find old rider who only ride this event and not ANY local rounds.

The only other way is to do handicap races......................

[VMX247]

good to see young ones ride classics,.... if it was all year round, funny that they enter the aussies, one and only ride on a classic all year, and come and take all the championships away from the older riders, who ride and race there classics all year round.
 pretty fair racing your classic at aussie titles, 48 year olds versus 20 year olds
 the way its going we will lose all the older riders at aussie titles, for every 20 year old racing the titles, we loose 2 older classic riders, we want to race against our own age groups, not against kids,  if that wasnt the case, I personally would race my sons crf250, and 450 in the moderns against them
 how many of the young guys, who raced the aussie DT nats, are coming down to canberra, in august to race the aussie senior nats, on their modern bikes, or is it 2 hard for them
 OR DO WE JUST ENTER THE CLASSIC NATS AND CREAM THE OLD GUYS

I dont believe many kids think like that Elsie 125..
Its a National vmx pilgramige for the family..
We are not seeing some kids rockin up in there Vans to blitzs the old guys.
Its been mentioned before that we are gettin three generations racing now with age races at National level and club level if club days run with the age class's.
We are getting a nice balance now and its going ok.let it roll..
How old where the podium riders at DT in Brisbane in non age class's ?
cheers A

[elsie 125]

the podiums of non aged races were filled with the younger ones,
 my point is, we race and spend a lot of money 2 support our national champs, to have fathers and others entering young ones in the championships,
 the younger ones have the modern DT championships,
 if the young ones want to enter, have a 16 to 29year class, and they can all ride in that class,
 I no of 10 classic riders who dont ride the nats, because of young guys entering, and taking the championships from the older guys, and taken them out in the past
 
put an age limit on the classes, and I bet the numbers increase in older guys

last year at griffith, I had a great battle with one of the local riders, we were the same age, and we battled it out all weekend, and took home 2nd and 3rd
this year a 20 year old is riding his bike, got caught up in the gates, and still won the race
I am also having second thoughts on entering another nats again, just go and enjoy the classics at our club days, were I race 500s on my 250, but at least we are the same age

[VMX247]

have a 16 to 29year class, and they can all ride in that class,

Cool..how did you think the day went for time...would this extra class fill it too much ?
or
other class's be dropped on entry amount for this 16-29 age race.
cheers A

[elsie 125]

if the 16 to 29 years class didnt have enuff entries, it would then be a support class, if we were running behind on time, then the support classes would be dropped, but if it was a champioship, with 5 rounds and a practice, well then there is only another 20mins added 2 the program

[Curly3]

This is where the forum is at it's best.
I can understand where Elsie is coming from, he explained it pretty well.
Sadly that's part of motorsport, history is full of someone turning up at a Title event with some unexpected advantage ( some legal, some not ) and take home the silverware.
I don't think there is an easy solution apart from banning riders under a certain age but where do you set that age limit.
Freaky's Handicap suggestion could cause even more debate, the crowd loved the Handicap races at the Syd Showground but I know the riders hated them.
I think the looming split in bike aged classes will certainly free up the time restraints on programming an event like the DT titles so lets wait and see.
I think we'd all agree the battle between Justin Burdus 20 and Grant Dodd 19 in the Evo 250 class was worth the price of admission alone, they both rode safely and bloody fast.
I don't know what the answere is but we'll find it.

[Grasy 6]

Interesting reading . At Nudgee there where 12 * 16- 30 yrs entered  5 trophies , 30-49yrs 48 entries & 10 trophies 50yrs & over 41 entries got  the rest.If there are sufficient entries for a class in the over 30yrs (meaning 10 per class the 16-29yrs )should  ran as a support class. But if we need to combine the ages to get a Aussie status event so be it. I was up against 21 yrs olds (46 yrs old is my age not 43 as per program)& came second to 41 yrs old. This is Aussie Titles not a Club day if you want to be at the pointy end then ride like you want to be there.We can all blame someone else but look at the mirror & maybe put the throltle return spring on the other side of the carby slide.

[VMX247]

Just looking through the sup regs for Crystal Brook Classic MX...and the age class's are only pre75 (16-29)    ..now I presume this will maybe more of an irritant for the older Nats riders,which will be watched by the hosting future Nats Club..
Numbers will deterimin the support class/16-30 age race.
I'd think they would be more inclided to race the pre85 bikes...as been said before we are in interesting time and be very intreging to see how it turns out in the next 2 years of the split for cmx.
ps we have a rm125 79 to be entered by a 17yr old.
cheers A

[Curly3]

My point exactly Grasy, it was a national event, open to all comers.
I remember the 74 OZ Speedway title at the Syd Showground, all the focus was on the Sydney boy's until Crumpy snr went out in his first heat and smashed the track record on the MKI Streety, no one got near him all night and the scramble for a 4 Valve conversion after that was amazing to experience.
There are heaps of ways to achieve an advantage in motorsport, an open cheque book certainly helps but youth may not be available to most of us anymore.

[Kane Mcguire]

i think people are just making excuses. if your not good enough to be at the pointy end thats it your just not good enough. no good blaming young blokes. all young blokes dont run at the pointy end. we have age classes and if the numbers support a younger age bracket in the future then include it in the program.  but if you get beaten no excuses. enjoy the racing and the challenges of the sport. i go to an aussie or state title because of the status and excitement of the event. its a buzz compared to a club day. i will never be at the front but i bloody enjoy having a go. 

[EML]

Having a title on one day or week-end will always bring this up. If we had a series, then all competitors would have to commit to it and foresake the other events, thereby not poaching a title.
The other thing I thought of was having a tie-breaker at presentation-something like a bench racing session. That way the best story would win and those young whipper-snappers wouldn't get a look in. Not with some of the bullshit we can spin.   

[shorelinemc]

i think people are just making excuses. if your not good enough to be at the pointy end thats it your just not good enough. no good blaming young blokes. all young blokes dont run at the pointy end. we have age classes and if the numbers support a younger age bracket in the future then include it in the program.  but if you get beaten no excuses. enjoy the racing and the challenges of the sport. i go to an aussie or state title because of the status and excitement of the event. its a buzz compared to a club day. i will never be at the front but i bloody enjoy having a go. 

328 has got it right.it is a buzz a state or national event ,i went along under no illusions of winning or placing.it was for the buzz and the ride,talking with like minded people about bikes etc and watching the fast blokes whether they are young or old.look at lawn bowls it was an old blokes sport and dying along withe the old diggers that played along came younger people and now it is in the commonwealth games!