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Suzuki 250 road racer help
« on: March 27, 2011, 10:17:46 am »
I have found what I have been told is a Ron Grant framed 250 Suzuki.  No numbers or data plate,
just a Ron Grant sticker on the swingarm.  It just dosn't look like a Suzuki frame to me.  It also has
Morris wheels with a Hurst Airheart disc setup in the rear, Suzuki front disc with Ceriani fork assembly.
I also have the 250 twin motor that was in it as well.  Any information on this bike would be greatly
appreciated!


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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 10:37:33 am »
Where ever did you dig that up from, Cappra ? That certainly looks a lot like a period racer, in fact the chassis could well be one that Steve Roberts knocked up for Colemans NZ when they were a hot item, the diagonal tubes from above the swingarm to the under-tank area are a clue here. The Morris mags and discs both ends are also period-correct, the front disc and caliper are off a GT750. Don't know where you are, but if you chase down Peter Shires in Darwin or Bruce Woodley in Geelong, I'm sure they will be able to offer more info. Good score !
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 11:05:22 am »
Was sitting in my brother in laws storage shed for the past 22 years.  He was going to take it to the dump!
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2011, 11:19:17 am »
That certainly looks a lot like a period racer, in fact the chassis could well be one that Steve Roberts knocked up for Colemans NZ when they were a hot item,

Yeah looks like Grant frame for TR engine, let me know if you want to sell it.
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2011, 12:01:05 pm »
This is just an observation of the frame construction....it appears to be both brazed and MIG welded possibly pointing to a modified production frame. The swingarm and overall design cry 'factory' but the engine mounts and other mods appear to be done post original production. As GD points out, the Morris mags are correct period and the Airheart rear disc cry's out that the bike was built in the USA as I suspect Euro or Aussie/Kiwi builders would have used Girlock or something similar over Airhearts less than brilliant unit. The bike looks more a modified "something' rather than the works bike that Ron Grant would have ridden. It's quite possibly be one of the race replica 250's that he built in the early 70's.

I'll be interested to hear what this turns out to be......whatever it is you've saved an interesting bike from certain death Jared ;).

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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2011, 12:12:10 pm »
I'm jealous. A T250 engine and off to Barber and Daytona for you. Post pics when you get back ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 12:28:35 pm »
Firko,
I think you have hit the nail right on the head.  My brother in law has told me that he bought it at
a police auction in L.A. in the mid seventies.  The bike was running at the time and had a pair of those
super lightweight Mikuni's.  I am curious to what the tail piece looked like.  Did Ron Grant have a shop in the
states?

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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2011, 01:11:36 pm »
Not really, but as he was a works Suzuki US rider from their inception, on 250s, 500s and then 750s, he was able to get a fair crack at the gear from the race shop. He built an interesting 750 for Pat Hennen in 1974 with a modified GT750 engine in a Rickman chassis, sponsored by Ron Grant Racing Specialties.
Grant formed a close alliance with the NZ Suzuki distributors Colemans from when he began annually travelling down under in the off-season of 1970/71, and it's from this alliance that those TR-style chassis began to appear : as Firko has spotted they weren't much different than stock geometry with the diagonal brace installed, but were quite effective. Again, good score !
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2011, 01:24:59 pm »
I am sure the frame is a modified production X6 or T20 frame. The footpeg mounts look just like the production frame type with the addition of a brace, there is no brace between the downtubes at the upper engine mount brackets like on the later T250 frames and the swingarm looks to be stock as well allthough it was common to add an inch to the swingarm and this can only be found by measuring it. The factory TR250 frames had a much nicer triangulated footpeg mount and a curved frame brace where this frame has a straight brace from just above the rear engine mounts to the frame under the fuel tank. This straight bracing was found to be superior to the curved brace providing more rigidity and some TR's were modified just like this.
If you do have carbs with a remote float bowl then these are TR250 factory items, so the motor may be a TR250 in a T20 modified frame.

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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2011, 01:42:18 pm »
i'm with you trailie,she's a stocker,geezas,can't get more stock than that s/arm,chain adjusters,with the usual crossbar struts reinforcing the engine cradle,TZ tank etc,nice period bike, :P
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 09:26:30 pm »
Can anyone give me a rough guesstimate on what this roller is worth?  Thanks.

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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 10:43:35 pm »
T250- six speed six port, I think I loved it as much as the girl.



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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 11:04:17 pm »
Can anyone give me a rough guesstimate on what this roller is worth?  Thanks.


I bid $1,000.00

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Re: Suzuki 250 road racer help
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 11:38:03 pm »
Mick...I bags the HK Belmont!