Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973

[oldyzman]

VMX 247 - When you say underestimated KX, i was also suprised to see no bids on the 76 kx400
Cheers Brett

[Doggy Digger]

I owned and raced a second-hand YZA250 in 1975, and I loved it.  It was a weapon!

[VMX247]

VMX 247 - When you say underestimated KX, i was also suprised to see no bids on the 76 kx400
Cheers Brett

Have notice as have others on the forum,that a few nice bike have slipped under the radar and not recieved one bid (mostly nice pre85)-- cashed up nows the time perhaps !!
cheers A

[number8]

In Australia,MK 7 Bultaco 250's & 360's were winning everything in 74,doesn't anybody remember that ?there ain't too many Aust titles in those years won on RH's or KX's

#8

[090]

In Australia,MK 7 Bultaco 250's & 360's were winning everything in 74,doesn't anybody remember that ?there ain't too many Aust titles in those years won on RH's or KX's

#8

My memory was a bit fuzzy back when I was 7! I wouldn't think of a Bully being best of the era though. I do underestimate them I suppose being good enough to win on.
"My mx250 total RH slayer". That's up for 'dreamer quote of the week.'

[number8]

In Australia,MK 7 Bultaco 250's & 360's were winning everything in 74,doesn't anybody remember that ?there ain't too many Aust titles in those years won on RH's or KX's

#8

My memory was a bit fuzzy back when I was 7! I wouldn't think of a Bully being best of the era though. I do underestimate them I suppose being good enough to win on.
"My mx250 total RH slayer". That's up for 'dreamer quote of the week.'

Brad,

History my friend

They were doing a lot more winning at all levels I don't think it's about era's it's about 74 ?

The results tell the tale,74 Aust titles Bultaco 1st 125/250/500 & YZ360B 1st All powers no RH's or KX's the RH was a good bike they did not get the same results in Aust it's a myth that the KX was any good,the RH was a special not available to everyone,any one could walk in and buy a MK7 after 75 it's a different story,

#8

[cheapracer]

The results tell the tale,74 Aust titles Bultaco 1st 125/250/500 & YZ360B 1st All powers no RH's or KX's the RH was a good bike they did not get the same results in Aust it's a myth that the KX was any good,the RH was a special not available to everyone,any one could walk in and buy a MK7 after 75 it's a different story,

#8

True, us teenagers were all mad for Elsinores, TM/RM and YZ's but I quite remember at the tracks Gary Flood and other Bullies being out front a lot.

I'm sure Gary it has a lot to do with demography, the Japs had a bike shop in every town of one make or another, the Euro's had specialised shops and very few of them. 

[cheapracer]

Re the Kawasaki;

I always wondered about them, I started work in a bike shop on weekends at 14 and started my apprenticeship at 15 when I was legal too. (Rod Linden Yamaha Frankston).

We sold YZ80's on mass and other YZ's of course (and got some road registered!) and I was deep into dirt bikes then and always talking about them with customers and the the Kawasaki rarely got mentioned - not good, not bad just rarely spoken about.

Bit strange when you think about it because Kawasaki's road bikes were the kings at the time so it's not like they were an obscure manufacturer - maybe it was the sales success and orientation of the road bikes that they didn't feel the need to or have the resources to push their dirt bikes?

[cr4ever]

quote: " The results tell the tale,74 Aust titles Bultaco 1st 125/250/500 & YZ360B 1st All powers......"
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MSA website: Brian Martin won the 1974 Australian 125cc Championship at Manjimup, Western Australia, on 2 June 1974, riding a Honda CR125 – the first of many local Motocross titles for Honda.

In 1974, Martin was selected to ride the new Honda CR250 and CR125 for NSW distributor Bennett Honda, rewarding them with the National Motocross Championship.

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Who is right here? Where can we find the official results ?

[number8]

quote: " The results tell the tale,74 Aust titles Bultaco 1st 125/250/500 & YZ360B 1st All powers......"
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MSA website: Brian Martin won the 1974 Australian 125cc Championship at Manjimup, Western Australia, on 2 June 1974, riding a Honda CR125 – the first of many local Motocross titles for Honda.

In 1974, Martin was selected to ride the new Honda CR250 and CR125 for NSW distributor Bennett Honda, rewarding them with the National Motocross Championship.

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Who is right here? Where can we find the official results ?

Allison would be able to check her Aust Champ list I couldn't find it I may be wrong on the 125 Aust champs maybe that should be Victorian on the 125

#8

[Marc.com]

if you ever get your YZA and MX250 going at the same time and ride them back to back you will realize what seaweed you have been spewing out of your mouth....

Hell if I ever get everything going at once I can just about do back to back test ..... anyway I guess the point is as Bill so rightly said the MXA with a decent shocks and a little tuning is a very viable option for pre 74 and you should be able to get one to run as hard and weigh the same as the YZA. Which puts it in the hunt with the RH and KXs, if the KX is close then the MXA must also be knocking at the door. 

[211kawasaki]

suggest next year at CD I will bring along a KX250 and the RH250 and we have a shoot out

[cheapracer]

1968
125 ...Ray Fisher
250 ...Rob Voumard
500 ...Gordon Renfree
1969
125 ...Gary Flood
250 ...Gary Flood
500 ...Gary Flood
1970
125 ...Gary Flood
250 ...Gary Adams
500 ...Michael Groom
1971
125 ...Dave Basham
250 ...Dave Basham
500 ...Ivan Miller
1972
125 ...Edward Lancaster
250 ...Trevor Flood
500 ...Trevor Flood
1973
125 ...Gary Flood
250 ...Per Klitland
500 ...Trevor Flood
1974
125 ...Brian Martin
250 ...Gary Flood
500 ...Per Klitland
1975
125 ...Gaston Rahier
250 ...Gaston Rahier
500 ...Steve Cramer
1976
125 ...Steve Cramer
250 ...Michael Landman
500 ...Geoff Worrall
1977
125 ...Darryl Willoughby
250 ...Tony Gunter
500 ...Stephan Gall
1978
125 ...Michael Landman
250 ...Pelle Granquist
500 ...Pelle Granquist
1979
125 ...Shane Kirkpatrick
250 ...Pelle Granquist
500 ...Pelle Granquist
1980
125 ...Peter Carney
250 ...Stephan Gall
500 ...Trevor Williams
1981
125 ...Jeff Leisk
250 ...Stephan Gall
500 ...Tony Gunter
1982
125 ...Ray Vandenberg
250 ...Stephan Gall
500 ...Jeff Leisk
1983
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Stephan Gall
500 ...Trevor Williams
1984
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Jeff Leisk
500 ...Jimmy Ellis
1985
125 ...Jimmy Ellis
250 ...Jimmy Ellis
500 ...Trevor Williams
1986
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Vaughan Styles
500 ...Craig Dack
1987
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Craig Dack
500 ...Craig Dack
1978
125 ...Jeff Leisk
250 ...Jeff Leisk
500 ...Jeff Leisk
1989
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Eddie Warren
500 ...Eddie Warren
1990
125 ...Stephan Andrew
250 ...Craig Dack
500 ...Glen Bell
1991
125 ...Glen Bell
250 ...Craig Dack
500 ...Glen Bell
1992
125 ...Kim Ashkenazi
250 ...Kim Ashkenazi
500 ...Kim Ashkenazi
1993
125 ...Cameron Taylor
250 ...Lee Hogan
1994
125 ...Joel Elliot
250 ...Kim Ashkenazi
1995
125 ...Michael Cook
250 ...Kim Ashkenazi
1996
125 ...Dale Britton
250 ...Peter Melton
1997
125 ...Troy Carroll
250 ...Craig Anderson
1998
125 ...Michael Byrne
250 ...Craig Anderson
1999
125 ...Troy Dorron
250 ...Andrew Mcfarlane
2000
125 ...Kim Ashkenazi
250 ...Andrew Mcfarlane
2001
125 ...Daryl Hurley
Open ...Daryll King
2002
125 ...Troy Dorron
Open ...Craig Anderson
2003
250 ...Troy Carroll
450 ...Daryll King
2004
250 ...Cody Cooper
450 ...Daryll King
2005
250 ...Cameron Taylor
450 ...Daryl Hurley
2006
250 ...Ryan Marmont
450 ...Craig Anderson
2007
250 ...Jake Moss
450 ...Dan Reardon
2008
250 ... Luke George
450 ... Jay Marmont
2009
250 ... Matt Moss
450 ...Jay Marmont
2010
250 ...P.J. Larsen
450 ...Jay Marmont

[cheapracer]

MR. MOTOCROSS AUSTRALIA (1974-1990)
1974 ...Trevor Flood
1975 ...Gary Flood
1976 ...Tony Gunter
1977 ...Tony Gunter
1978 ...Stephen Gall
1979 ...Tony Gunter
1980 ...Stephen Gall
1981 ...Stephen Gall
1982 ...Stephen Gall
1983 ...Ray Vandenberg
1984 ...Jeff Leisk
1985 ...Jeff Leisk
1986 ...Craig Dack
1987 ...Craig Dack
1988 ...Craig Dack
1989 ...No series
1990 ...Craig Dack

AUSTRALIAN SUPERCROSS CHAMPIONS (2001-2010)
2001 ...Craig Anderson
2002 ...Craig Anderson
2003 ...Jay Marmont
2004 ...Troy Carroll
2005 ...Troy Carroll
2006 ...Dan Reardon
2007 ...Dan Reardon
2008 ...Chad Reed
2009 ...Chad Reed
2010 ...Josh Hansen

[VMX247]

Haha All young pups with no memories or stories/results told on anything pre70  ...thank goodness we can educate with a few remaining old skool 
Actually I didnt hear half as much as I wished at CD8,probably not the place to get full on mx history..too many drinks and lies    and a short period of time. 

Bring on the more mighty 125cc Bultaco rebuilds,with results in 1965,1966 and a big win for them in five placings in 1967   
cheers A
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