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Offline Stan S

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Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« on: March 02, 2011, 10:12:20 pm »
I thought this might interest to someone. I wonder why they chose the RH to go head to head with the KX instead of the TM?

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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2011, 11:00:29 pm »
I guess they both look like works replicas but only one is. I don't recall the KX ever winning any shootout but still a cool looking bike.
It's funny how all the lemons from back in the day are now some of the most collectible bikes.

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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2011, 11:04:40 pm »
Olle Peterson developed both bikes but maybe Suzuki paid more attention? :-\
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011, 07:45:44 am »
It's funny how all the lemons from back in the day are now some of the most collectible bikes.

yep everyone gushes over 70s KXs these days but there was a reason there were less of them out there than TM/RM Suzukis.
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 08:10:22 am »
Thanks Stan! 8)

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Olle Peterson developed both bikes but maybe Suzuki paid more attention

you hit the nail square on the head there Brent. I've always held the early kawa's in very high regard and the similarities between the Suzuki's and Kawa's in the early to mid 70's are numerous. Most of the trailies even feel all but the same to ride as the zooks when compared with other marques. I mentioned years back I'd take the F11M (a modified trailbike as some said) over the production RH250 of the same era and some quizzed my sanity but I still stand by that comment ;) I wouldn't say any Kawa was a lemon..just the opposite..somewhat overlooked is more apt ;)



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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011, 09:10:08 am »
I wouldn't say any Kawa was a lemon..just the opposite..somewhat overlooked is more apt ;)


Agree wholeheartedly Doc. There were two 74 KX 250s in my district back in the day & they did lots of winning. Kaw just didn't produce many of them & never sponsored a top rider on one on Oz. The early KAH250s in Europe & US were very close to pre-prod'n KXs & did pretty well.

 Dave Tanners thot's on the RH/KX are worth hearing too.

Tho I'd still prefer an RH myself - the quintessential MX bike of the era
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 10:51:22 am »
Much as i would love to own a 74 RH 250 i am more than happy with my 74 KX 250  :) As i read the test they are saying the RH is a better overall bike but definetly a better option for wobblers  ;)

There is a whole lot of hype about YZ 250As  ??? ive ridden a couple and to be honest  :-\ i wouldn't swap for my KX  ;)

I rode Brads green stripe Elsinore at the connondale nats and that was a very cool bike  8)

I wonder if the small weight saving the RH has over the KX was worth doing away with the primary kick on the RH  ;)

What was the most competitive Euro 250 offering of the period ? Ossa Phantom  :)

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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011, 12:31:20 pm »
for those in the know there is breeding line from Suzuki to Kawasaki, was always a fan of Peterson, one of the best riders never to win the championship but the best developement rider of the era in my humble opinion.
I have a KLX400R which is a green DRZ400 - suits my sense of humor.
I reckon the KX motor is every bit as good as the RH, the RH handles better- period.
Great article really enjoyed the read.
The bikes have the same feel, look close and you can see the blood lines.
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 02:32:57 pm »
Much as i would love to own a 74 RH 250 i am more than happy with my 74 KX 250  :) As i read the test they are saying the RH is a better overall bike but definetly a better option for wobblers  ;)

There is a whole lot of hype about YZ 250As  ??? ive ridden a couple and to be honest  :-\ i wouldn't swap for my KX  ;)

I rode Brads green stripe Elsinore at the connondale nats and that was a very cool bike  8)

I wonder if the small weight saving the RH has over the KX was worth doing away with the primary kick on the RH  ;)

What was the most competitive Euro 250 offering of the period ? Ossa Phantom  :)

History KTM won the 74 250 champs. IMO the 74.5 KTM is one of the best pre 75 bikes. Ive ridden most including the RH and YZ , KX etc The RH has more motor than the rest.
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 03:29:30 pm »
Were you guys racing in the mid 70's? If you were you'd remember the KX's were not popular because they were'nt much good.
The works bikes may have done well in Europe and the US but they were worlds apart from the production bike.
In '74 the Honda, Yamaha YZ, Husky, Maico, Montesa, Bultaco, Ossa and others were all better than the KX.

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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 03:39:38 pm »
As i remember it (being in the UK at the time ) KXs were not that popular due to lack of availability , parts availability and realiability issues . Also the plated cylinders scared the shit out of everyone as you had to replace and not rebore, by late seventies they were gaining in popularity but never at that time a big seller. As I remember it start lines were a sea of yellow and red Suzukis and Maicos  :)

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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2011, 03:59:13 pm »
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What was the most competitive Euro 250 offering of the period ? Ossa Phantom
If there was any standout year for great 250cc motocross bikes it'd have to be 1974. The Honda Elsinore was the biggy of the class not because it was the best bike but because it was the best bike that was easily accessible and affordable. There were a lot of bikes that were better than the Honda but most of them cost hundreds of dollars more to buy. With respect to the previous posters picking the RH Suzuki, it must be said that they weren't that freely available, being mostly vehicles for sponsored A graders. The Joe Average Suzuki racer was burdened with the heavy and by '74 obsolete TM250 which comes up pretty short when compared to the opposition of 1974. Kawasakis were few and far between and despite showing potential were pretty finicky and unreliable. I didn't notice too many at the pointy end of the field until the local distributors got serious and formed a race team in 1975. The YZ250 A/B was in a similar situation to the KX and to a lesser degree the RH. They were expensive and hard to access unless you were a hot shot. The average Yamaha guy was destined to use the solid but uninspiring MX250.
With the exception of the Elsinore, the Euros were still calling the shots in the 250 class in 1974. Hows this for a list of competitive bikes......Husky Mag 250, OSSA Phantom, Montesa VR Cappra and Bultaco Pursang Mk7, all classic bikes in their own right. Even the dated CZ, expensive Rickman Montesa, and slow but great handling Maico MC250 were capable of winning on their day. The KTM was the World Champ but they weren't seen in any numbers in Oz so they didn't rate much of a go.

I974 was the last year the Euros held any engineering dominance. In 1975 the RM Suzuki and Yamaha MX250B could honestly challenge the Husky GP250 for class dominance. The Spaniards had peaked, Maico was in a rut, and CZs Falta model was too little too late. Within a few years the Euros had lost their dominance and Japan would rule much as they do today.
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 04:03:14 pm »



I thought I'd seen that bike and stand before...  :P


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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 05:33:28 pm »
The shot out says  "Sort of
We must remember the RH was a purpose built bike ( with  a lot more trick items and with less weight )
 
Having owned a kawasaki Kx 250 and raced it way back in 1974, they had a shit load of straight line speed and if you rolled off the throttle a tad they would corner better.


Firko , you mentioned they are finicky .....I would say the opposite. Reliabilty was thier strong point.
 
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Re: Green Horror Test of KX250 verses RH250 Sept 1973
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2011, 07:42:03 pm »
Yeh, the 125KX had reliabilty issues, not the 250

Were you guys racing in the mid 70's? If you were you'd remember the KX's were not popular because they were'nt much good.

Definitely was & its pretty harsh to say they were "not much good" in 74 - tho one could say that about the suspension. They weren't available in any numbers & the ones that were certainly weren't sitting on showroom floors in 74 for months.

Interestingly Dirt Bike did a comparo on a 74 KX250 & YZ250A & apart from the "budget" suspension the KX rated pretty well.

In 73 the KAH250 "works bikes" were more-than-a -little close to pre-prod'n KXs - right down to the hammerhead shocks in some cases.