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Offline chrisdespo

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Ugly thick powdercoat
« on: January 23, 2011, 03:52:12 pm »
I may be a bit old school, and find nothing better on a bike frame be it MX Road or whatever than a few nice coats of Gloss Black Lacquer . Its shiny smooth and has depth , its very easy to repair a frame finished in lacquer, any dents and deep scores can be filled with various material , Bronze, lead, solder and even bodyfiller for some things. When you want to refinish again its easy to remove. and touch ups are a breeze.
Most favored bikes being 2 Stroke will have the engines out a couple of times a year to facilitate rebuilds, a quick light sand with a bit of wet and dry a quick squirt of lacquer and the frame is back to mint.
None of that Jammy looking powdercoat for me ;)
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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 05:36:13 pm »
Agree 100%
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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 06:54:32 pm »
Why does anybody use powdercoat? I'm not being funny here but I don't understand what advantages there might be. Powdercoating to me is just a cheap way for mass production. It flakes of in big pieces and also adds too much thickness.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 06:57:24 pm »
I've often wondered myself. :-\

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 07:27:28 pm »
Must be using the wrong powdercoaters

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2011, 09:18:40 pm »
custom coatings at brendale qld,experts in p/coat and zinc finishes,i tried alot of coaters in qld and most are cowboys but the guys at brendale are pro, i rather 2k   but sometimes its just easier to go the p/coat

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2011, 10:45:55 pm »
I always paint my frames but I had my TM400 B&S frame powdercoated because I was offered a freebie job. I've regretted it ever since. I like the ability easily to touch up or even change colour when ever I need it.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 10:50:21 pm »
I race my bikes and rather powder coat at this stage as it lasts longer. My frames look like crap in a short time if painted.

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2011, 11:11:16 pm »
Our vote goes to powdercoating for frames..
neat
clean
no ware (boot area)
last longer
never had any problems
just looks good  8)
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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 08:03:48 am »
2 pack enamel  with an etch coat  does it for me.
 

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 08:57:07 am »
So what's hard about touching up a powdercoated frame? In my experience it's no harder than a painted frame.
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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 11:27:30 am »
Any problems that occur in a powder coating job are because it was not done correctly in the first place.As far as touching up goes its the same procedure for both wet sprayed paint or powder coating and if its not done correctly it will cause problems as well.Its gets back to the old saying you get what you pay for if you pay a cheep price or even get it for free you should ask yourself why.

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 11:30:48 am »
Ugly thick powdercoat ...................aka a woman's make up.................. ::)
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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 11:32:42 am »
Even though my powdercoat job was for free, it's a great job and looks pretty good. My problem with it is that it's taken away my ability to do it myself.

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Re: Ugly thick powdercoat
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 12:49:40 pm »
Powdercoating was never intended be used on motorcycle frames. One day someone decided to to it and thought it was a good idea and then it just sort of took off because it was 'cheap' IMO powder coating belongs on handles of garden tools and outdoor furnature etc and maybe the odd small bike parts like shock springs.

Yes you get what you pay for.
Powder coating is easy and usually cheaper than paint. Im not a fan of powdercoating and would never get a frame done. If you really want to do it though, make sure the powdercoater uses an etch primer on the frame first otherwise your just wasting your money getting it done. The real cheap coaters do it onto bare metal with no primer. As soon as you get one little chip and expose the bare metal, moisture/cool air starts rusting the bare metal very quickly and if you dont notice it, the rust quicky works its way under the powder coat and then it starts to peel and fall off. Also a lot of powdercoaters will not take the time to mask things off like bearing mounts, threads, studs etc but most painters will. That is one of the reasons powercoating is cheaper. This means you have to clean the thick coating off when your re-fitting parts to the bike and you can have trouble fitting things like swingarms or shocks. When you have any imperfections in the frame a painter will apply a high build undercoat and rub/sand it back so the surface is smooth. Powder coaters dont do this. If there is imperfections, they just keep building the coating up till the surface is smoother but that also then makes the coating way too thick all over. Bottom line is that ive seen far too many bad powdercoat jobs so i couldn't really reccomend it.
 
Paint is also more maintenance free or should i say easier to maintain than powdercoating. If you get a chip in the powercoat and you haven't got a etch primer under it, basically if you dont touch up that bare metal spot asap, you may as well get your frame re-done again. if you get one little stone chip in an event, mud.water will get under the power coat and start rusting away with in hours/days, especially if its salty mud/water. If its painted and it happens to chip, it will only chip to the undercoat or primer and not back to bare metal so then you dont have to worry about it rusting right away and you can then touch it up the next day or what ever. How ever if the paint process is done right and the correct preparations and steps are used and the paint hasnt been applied real thick, then the paint shouldnt really chip at all, you might just get a scrape/rub mark.
 
Being in the restoration business, i only paint frames. I often get bikes that have been half started by someone else or the owner has done as much as they can and they usually have gone the cheap way of powdercoating and it hasnt been a very good job. Almost everyone i speak to that has had frames powdercoated has regretted it and wish they just got it painted. More often than not we end up getting their powdercoating stuff stripped off and then paint the parts after they realise that the powdercoating job isn't as good.


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